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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
"Jenn" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Both arsenic and water can be poisonous, but I'll pick the glass of water every time. Good for you. I hear it differently. Obviously. You've got that recent large expenditure on substandard technology to justify to yourself. Please keep enjoying your music, and I'll enjoy mine. You're changing the subject Jenn, from analysis of relevant facts to personal preferences. The sound quality failings of the vinyl format are well-known and generally-agreed-upon to be by far the stronger poison to our mutual goal of lifelike sound. It's ALL artificial. Not necessarily. I've played CDs through a live sound system and temporarily fooled people into thinking there is a live performance going on. I can't imagine that happening, Attributable to a lack of real-world experience. but good for you and for those people. Dismissive attitude noted, Ironic coming from a person with such limited real world experience with audio. Nothing coming through a speaker ever sounds close to real, IMO. You've obviously never done the experiment I described, or done it right. As usual Jenn, you've placed yourself on a high pedestal above people who simply know more about the topic than you do. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , ScottW wrote: Wrong Arny. As I've said many times before, it's a matter of "picking your poison". It's ALL artificial. I can listen through a few tics. I can't listen through a recorded violin sound that resembles an instrument made of plastic. You think digital does that to a recording of a violin? I don't know, but I've never experienced that on LP, and I have on CD. Obviously Jenn, you lack my 55 years, more or less, of listening to vinyl. That's true. I'm only 51. I guess you were very indiscriminate when you were young, because you obviously didn't notice the horrors of vinyl in the day. What makes you say that? Of course I noticed the faults. And I've said time and time again that most CDs sound better than most LPs. For the first 36 years of my life, basically vinyl was all that we had, and it often sucked mightily even though our player technology for the last 10 or so years was essentially what is available today. During that time I heard plenty of recordings that made music sound like it was played on plastic instruments. I've heard lots of bad reproduction via LP, but bad in different ways than some digital. That is a meaningless statement. Well it has meaning, but its a truism. Of course. I'm simply stating that I hear different faults in the two media. For some reason, you feel the need to question that. Perhaps your CD player is broken. Even my Arcam doesn't do that. Nope, checked out fine 6 mo. ago. Besides, I'm speaking about all the CD players I've heard. Obviously a problem with lack of experience, lol A statement for which you have no evidence. Yes I do, I have months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn. You presume that I hear what I hear based on lack of experience. You have no evidence to support that statement. What you do have is a desire to argue with me. but I think there is a little bias and hysteria tossed in. Of course you do. Really? That's a staement for which you have no compelling evidence. No, the evidence is that "hysteria" seems to be your default statement concerning why I like the sound of something. Nothing like recently blowing nearly a $grand on a vinyl player to keep the illusion going. You're entitled to your opinion. You're entitled to try to justify your poor judgement, Jenn.; Again, you're entitled to your opinion. I spend $1000 on a TT/arm/cartridge because I like the way that it sounds. If you think that this is foolish, I simply advise you not to do the same. |
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Both arsenic and water can be poisonous, but I'll pick the glass of water every time. Good for you. I hear it differently. Obviously. You've got that recent large expenditure on substandard technology to justify to yourself. You've got the chronology wrong. Please keep enjoying your music, and I'll enjoy mine. You're changing the subject Jenn, from analysis of relevant facts to personal preferences. I'm not changing the subject at all, Arny. It's not about analysis of facts. For me, listening to music is about, in this order: 1. The music itself 2. Listening to the best sound possible on a given recording according my my ears. Perhaps your priorities are different. The sound quality failings of the vinyl format are well-known and generally-agreed-upon to be by far the stronger poison to our mutual goal of lifelike sound. It's ALL artificial. Not necessarily. I've played CDs through a live sound system and temporarily fooled people into thinking there is a live performance going on. I can't imagine that happening, Attributable to a lack of real-world experience. No, I've listened to a great deal of live music and a great many audio systems in several locales. but good for you and for those people. Dismissive attitude noted, Ironic coming from a person with such limited real world experience with audio. It's not dismissive at all. If some people can be fooled in this way, they are ahead of the game. Nothing coming through a speaker ever sounds close to real, IMO. You've obviously never done the experiment I described, or done it right. What experiment? As usual Jenn, you've placed yourself on a high pedestal above people who simply know more about the topic than you do. A ridiculous statement. I've in no way said that I'm better or on some kind of other "pedestal". All I've said is that I hear what I hear, you hear what you hear, and everyone should enjoy what sounds best to them. I have no idea why you have such a problem with that concept. |
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
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, ScottW wrote: On Aug 31, 9:12*pm, Jenn wrote: In article , *ScottW wrote: On Aug 29, 11:56*pm, Jenn wrote: In article , *Clyde Slick wrote: On 29 Aug, 17:56, ScottW wrote: On Aug 29, 2:46*pm, Jenn wrote: In article , *ScottW wrote: On Aug 29, 2:04*pm, Jenn wrote: In article . com , *vlad wrote: On Aug 29, 1:41 pm, Jenn wrote: In article , *"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message .net In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message bal. net In article , Andrew Barss wrote: In rec.audio.tech Arny Krueger wrote: Pretty easy to simulate, if you are handy with an equalizer. How to increase "warmth": snip Has anyone ever manufactured a device to do this automatically, i.e. a "vivyl warmth"-ifier? * Given that some people (claim to) really enjoy the sound of vinyl, this would seem to have a built-in market. Why do you say, "claim to"? Simple, because an individual's preference for vinyl might have nothing to do with actual sound quality. True with CDs too, of course. Of course, but why would one feel compelled to make *such an off-topic comment? Just being clear. There does seem to be a general preference for sound with less audible noise and distortion, which is one reason why CD's outsell LPs by more than 100: 1. Fewer and fewer know what acoustic music typically sounds like. * What an elitist statement to make. Not at all. Yeah, it was a bit snooty. No, it's not, but I understand your need to try to be critical. *Critical? *I thought you liked to be snooty? If stats show that fewer teenagers drink grape soda than they did 10 years ago, is it "snooty" to say that fewer teenagers now know what grape soda tastes like? *If you obviously think grape soda is some sign of culture and culinary appreciation, yeah, and it's also wrong. I drink far less soda than I once did, but I still know what they taste like. Your conclusion is not a given from the facts presented. Ask your community college students for some assistance with your critical thinking. ScottW- LOL!!! today's teeneagers were not teenagers 10 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bingo. *Please explain it to Scott. Doesn't change anything. Means can shift dramatically while the zero exposure count remains outside the distribution and unaffected by mean change. * Your premise is the count outside the normal distribution is changing while the evidence for your claim is based upon the average. That is foolish. ScottW Scott, the example was statistics showing that fewer teenagers drink grape soda, not that the same number of teenagers who drank grape soda years ago now drink less of it. *See the difference? Neither has a direct proven correlation with the "never drank" count which is what you're trying to claim. ScottW Scott this is going nowhere. One more statement, then let's end it, OK? If fewer teens drink grape soda, doesn't it make sense that as the teenaged population "ages out" and the larger population of teens who used to drink it are no longer teens, the number of teens who know the taste of grape soda is shrinking? At any rate, back to the point, IF stats show that fewer people know the taste of grape soda, it's not a "snooty" statement to point that out. |
#85
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
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, ScottW wrote: On Aug 31, 9:09*pm, Jenn wrote: In article , *ScottW wrote: On Aug 29, 11:50*pm, Jenn wrote: In article , *ScottW wrote: On Aug 29, 3:06*pm, Jenn wrote: In article , *ScottW wrote: On Aug 29, 1:57*pm, Jenn wrote: In article , *"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message t Or another name: *"It sounds more like typical acoustic music to ______ (insert name)." Mostly said by people who actually have no idea at all what the original acoustic performance sounded like because they weren't there. As I wrote, "typical acoustic music". Oh, so Jenn you think that all acoustic music sounds the same? What makes you think that? *There are ways that acoustic music NEVER sounds, Exactly, acoustic music never has rumble, tics, pops, inner groove distortion, rolled off highs and lows, etc. Yet I have yet to hear an LP that fails to have one or more of those failings. I've visited the homes of audiophiles with tens of thousands in audio gear, but yet when they play vinyl, one or more of those failings is audible. I've been to what are alleged to be some of the best high end audio shows around, and even in carefully-setup listening rooms, the vinyl always has one or more of those problems. and there are plenty of recordings that sound that way. Right, and among the "recordings that sound that way", I can count on vinyl to stick its hand right up and say "I've got clearly audible flaws". We've been through this before. Right Jenn, and the only logical conclusion is that there's something going on with you that keeps you from hearing the well-known audible flaws of vinyl. Wrong Arny. *As I've said many times before, it's a matter of "picking your poison". *It's ALL artificial. *I can listen through a few tics. *I can't listen through a recorded violin sound that resembles an instrument made of plastic. *You think digital does that to a recording of a violin? I don't know, but I've never experienced that on LP, and I have on CD. All recordings or just some? All to a greater or lesser degree. That would indicate there is a factor other than digital infuencing your perception. Why? Because the process of digitizing an analogue audio signal is straightforward, thoroughly evaluated and highly repeatable. That process won't have greater or lesser degree impacts to a violin. Your playback system FR is likely different from CD to vinyl. Identical recordings may not sound the same between your CD player or vinyl. *Perhaps your CD player is broken. Even my Arcam doesn't do that. Nope, checked out fine 6 mo. ago. Besides, I'm speaking about all the CD players I've heard. *All CD players make violins sound like plastic. To a greater or lesser degree in certain ranges of the instrument. *I hear a similar problem with female voice above about G on top of the treble staff. *I suspect your room curve of your digital system(s) is not representative of live music to you. *Flat FR is not typical of live music. Some recordings have some compensation, others have none. Your vinyl rig likely provides some hi-freq rolloff that is more to your liking. For less than $100 and your PC you can set yourself up to measure it. Except that I've heard what I hear on all digital systems in all the rooms in which I've heard digital. Lots of speaker/amp systems target flat FR. IME, flat beyond 10K is fatiguing. Vinyl may sound fine on such a system while CD providing a flatter HF output doesn't. The lower distortion of the speaker, the more this becomes apparent. From what I've read your vandersteens have some crossover adjustments that may help your CDs. ScottW All interesting, and I'll take it under advisement. I do have hope. Yesterday I purchased a Pentatone CD of Julia Fischer playing Mozart conerti. It's an EXCELLENT sounding recording. I hear only a bit of the negative violin timbre that I complain about on first, casual hearing. I hope that things are getting better, because as I've said before, I would like nothing better than to love everything about CDs. |
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
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, ScottW wrote: On Sep 1, 10:25*am, Jenn wrote: In article , Means can shift dramatically while the zero exposure count remains outside the distribution and unaffected by mean change. * Your premise is the count outside the normal distribution is changing while the evidence for your claim is based upon the average. That is foolish. ScottW Scott, the example was statistics showing that fewer teenagers drink grape soda, not that the same number of teenagers who drank grape soda years ago now drink less of it. *See the difference? Neither has a direct proven correlation with the "never drank" count which is what you're trying to claim. ScottW Scott this is going nowhere. *One more statement, then let's end it, OK? * If fewer teens drink grape soda, doesn't it make sense that as the teenaged population "ages out" and the larger population of teens who used to drink it are no longer teens, the number of teens who know the taste of grape soda is shrinking? You want to "end it" with a statement question I meant one more statement by each of us. that is just repetition of the same false assertion? Good luck with that . At any rate, back to the point, IF stats show that fewer people know the taste of grape soda, it's not a "snooty" statement to point that out. Going back to your pedestal of claiming to be one of the few who still know what acoustic music and instruments sound like, yeah it's snooty to imply a unique perspective on something to gain some weird self-proclaimed authority viewpoint. Especially when your stereo is admittedly so flawed as to make violins sound like plastic toys, your authority is truly suspect. ScottW Scott, you can claim that I am claiming "to be one of the few who still know what acoustic music and instruments sound like" all you want, but it just makes you look foolish, as I am claiming nothing of the sort. But carry on your fantasy if you wish. I tried to have a nice conversation with you, and obviously that doesn't work. |
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The perpetual futility of 'discussions' with Scottie Witlessmongrel
It always ends this way. Some posters persist in repeating the exercise for reasons unknown. Always the same result. Scott, you can claim that I am claiming "to be one of the few who still know what acoustic music and instruments sound like" all you want, but it just makes you look foolish, That's like saying Bozo's big red clown wig and floppy clown shoes make him look like a clown. But carry on your fantasy if you wish. Did it ever occur to you that Yapper might be dissuaded from indulging in his fantasies if nobody enabled him? Just asking. I tried to have a nice conversation with you, and obviously that doesn't work. It didn't work today. It didn't work last week. It didn't work last month, or last year, or last decade. It will never work. Remember when Scottie bleated about the dearth of 'discussions'? It would be a mistake to conflate Scottie-style 'discussions' with the Normal activity of the same name. |
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
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, ScottW wrote: On Sep 1, 11:24*am, Jenn wrote: In article , *ScottW wrote: On Sep 1, 10:25*am, Jenn wrote: In article , Means can shift dramatically while the zero exposure count remains outside the distribution and unaffected by mean change. * Your premise is the count outside the normal distribution is changing while the evidence for your claim is based upon the average. That is foolish. ScottW Scott, the example was statistics showing that fewer teenagers drink grape soda, not that the same number of teenagers who drank grape soda years ago now drink less of it. *See the difference? Neither has a direct proven correlation with the "never drank" count which is what you're trying to claim. ScottW Scott this is going nowhere. *One more statement, then let's end it, OK? * If fewer teens drink grape soda, doesn't it make sense that as the teenaged population "ages out" and the larger population of teens who used to drink it are no longer teens, the number of teens who know the taste of grape soda is shrinking? You want to "end it" with a statement question I meant one more statement by each of us. So much for doing what you mean. that is just repetition of the same false assertion? Good luck with that . At any rate, back to the point, IF stats show that fewer people know the taste of grape soda, it's not a "snooty" statement to point that out. Going back to your pedestal of claiming to be one of the few who still know what acoustic music and instruments sound like, yeah it's snooty to imply a unique perspective on something to gain some weird self-proclaimed authority viewpoint. Especially when your stereo is admittedly so flawed as to make violins sound like plastic toys, your authority is truly suspect. ScottW Scott, you can claim that I am claiming "to be one of the few who still know what acoustic music and instruments sound like" all you want, but it just makes you look foolish, as I am claiming nothing of the sort. Really? Perhaps you've already forgotten the origin of this subthread which began with this comment from Arny and your reply. " There does seem to be a general preference for sound with less audible noise and distortion, which is one reason why CD's outsell LPs by more than 100: 1. Fewer and fewer know what acoustic music typically sounds like. Some of those people like the sound of many CDs. I agree with them. Some of them also have experienced some LPs to be the best sound at home they have yet experienced. I'm also one of those people. " You do clearly claim to be one "those" "fewer and fewer". Yes. Where did I say that there are "few" people? * But carry on your fantasy if you wish. Your words are now my fantasy. LoL. *I tried to have a nice conversation with you, and obviously that doesn't work. It won't if you require me to ignore what you write to be nice. ScottW God, Scott, you win yet again. The fact that there are fewer acoustic instruments sold and played, and the fact that fewer people go to acoustic music concerts has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how many people know the sound of live acoustic music. Perfectly logical on your part. Congrats. |
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! Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
"ScottW" wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 9:29 pm, "Harry Lavo" wrote: "Chronic Philharmonic" wrote in message news:cy0uk.46$393.40@trnddc05... "AZ Nomad" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:20:01 GMT, Chronic Philharmonic wrote: [...] A worn out record being played with a worn out stylus never sounded warm to me. It sounds noisy, fuzzy and distorted. Reducing frequencies above about 5kHz might provide some relief from that, but it isn't high fidelity. As far as that goes, "warm" isn't a term I would associate with high fidelity either. Accuracy, perhaps. Since recording a live event (or generating the illusion of a live event in the studio) is an art form, high fidelity is a complex concept. IMHO, the most neutral medium and reproduction equipment would be the best way to reproduce the original sound. Vinyl, and most analog storage technology is measurably and objectively nowhere near as neutral as modern digital technology. Flame on... No argument here, but I didn't have a $10K phono investment to rationalize when CD's first came out. Mine's $10K! It has to sound better than a $300 CD player! That muffled sound has to be better... Let's give it a name... warm! The other problem: My cat has taken to sleeping on the dust cover of my expensive turntable. I play CDs now, because I can still get the CD drawer open with the cat sitting there. So the vinyl format simply is not cat-friendly. LOL! How true! My cat is banned from my listening rooms. Cat fur and claws with electrostats and vinyl simply don't mix. You must not have a wife and kids. When it's more than just me in the house, cat's go where they will. ;-) |
#90
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
"Jenn" wrote in message ... In article ec0uk.34$Dj1.14@trnddc02, "Chronic Philharmonic" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Or another name: "It sounds more like typical acoustic music to ______ (insert name)." Mostly said by people who actually have no idea at all what the original acoustic performance sounded like because they weren't there. As I wrote, "typical acoustic music". Oh, so Jenn you think that all acoustic music sounds the same? What makes you think that? There are ways that acoustic music NEVER sounds, Exactly, acoustic music never has rumble, tics, pops, inner groove distortion, rolled off highs and lows, etc. Yet I have yet to hear an LP that fails to have one or more of those failings. I've visited the homes of audiophiles with tens of thousands in audio gear, but yet when they play vinyl, one or more of those failings is audible. I've been to what are alleged to be some of the best high end audio shows around, and even in carefully-setup listening rooms, the vinyl always has one or more of those problems. and there are plenty of recordings that sound that way. Right, and among the "recordings that sound that way", I can count on vinyl to stick its hand right up and say "I've got clearly audible flaws". We've been through this before. Right Jenn, and the only logical conclusion is that there's something going on with you that keeps you from hearing the well-known audible flaws of vinyl. Wrong Arny. As I've said many times before, it's a matter of "picking your poison". It's ALL artificial. I can listen through a few tics. I can't listen through a recorded violin sound that resembles an instrument made of plastic. If it sounds that way, it is because of the production quality, not because of the technology. Digital audio is the closest thing we have to a straight wire between the performance and your living room. I've heard the effect on CD. I've not heard the effect on the best LPs. Here's an experiment you could run, if you really want to get at the truth: Copy the LPs that exhibit the sound you prefer to a CD, using a high quality sound card, taking care that any ticks and pops do not exceed digital full scale, while simultaneously making sure the rumble and surface noise stays above the properly dithered digital noise level (fortunately, this is not difficult). Then play back the LP and the newly-recorded CD in a properly implemented A-B-X listening test, and see if you can distinguish any difference between the two with any statistically significant repeatability. |
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
Jenn wrote:
Interesting thoughts, thanks. Any chance of trimming several screenloads of quoted text before you your 3-word reply ? geoff |
#92
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
In article AbZuk.279$393.193@trnddc05,
"Chronic Philharmonic" wrote: I've heard the effect on CD. I've not heard the effect on the best LPs. Here's an experiment you could run, if you really want to get at the truth: Copy the LPs that exhibit the sound you prefer to a CD, using a high quality sound card, taking care that any ticks and pops do not exceed digital full scale, while simultaneously making sure the rumble and surface noise stays above the properly dithered digital noise level (fortunately, this is not difficult). Then play back the LP and the newly-recorded CD in a properly implemented A-B-X listening test, and see if you can distinguish any difference between the two with any statistically significant repeatability. That wouldn't help the poorly recorded cds on which the effect manifests. Stephen |
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
"MiNe 109" wrote in message ... In article AbZuk.279$393.193@trnddc05, "Chronic Philharmonic" wrote: I've heard the effect on CD. I've not heard the effect on the best LPs. Here's an experiment you could run, if you really want to get at the truth: Copy the LPs that exhibit the sound you prefer to a CD, using a high quality sound card, taking care that any ticks and pops do not exceed digital full scale, while simultaneously making sure the rumble and surface noise stays above the properly dithered digital noise level (fortunately, this is not difficult). Then play back the LP and the newly-recorded CD in a properly implemented A-B-X listening test, and see if you can distinguish any difference between the two with any statistically significant repeatability. That wouldn't help the poorly recorded cds on which the effect manifests. No, this would only prove or disprove the ability of the medium to accurately reproduce whatever is fed into it. That's what a medium is supposed to do. Gold in, gold out. Garbage in, garbage out. A poorly recorded CD, like a poorly recorded LP, is garbage. |
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
Chronic Philharmonic wrote:
No, this would only prove or disprove the ability of the medium to accurately reproduce whatever is fed into it. That's what a medium is supposed to do. Gold in, gold out. Garbage in, garbage out. A poorly recorded CD, like a poorly recorded LP, is garbage. To be pedantic, it's not a "poorly recorded CD", but poorly recorded or mastered music that happens to be carried on a CD. geoff |
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
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"geoff" wrote: Jenn wrote: Interesting thoughts, thanks. Any chance of trimming several screenloads of quoted text before you your 3-word reply ? geoff Sure. |
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Audiophiles' Delight: Vinyl LPs Still Sell
In article AbZuk.279$393.193@trnddc05,
"Chronic Philharmonic" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... I've heard the effect on CD. I've not heard the effect on the best LPs. Here's an experiment you could run, if you really want to get at the truth: Copy the LPs that exhibit the sound you prefer to a CD, using a high quality sound card, taking care that any ticks and pops do not exceed digital full scale, while simultaneously making sure the rumble and surface noise stays above the properly dithered digital noise level (fortunately, this is not difficult). Then play back the LP and the newly-recorded CD in a properly implemented A-B-X listening test, and see if you can distinguish any difference between the two with any statistically significant repeatability. I'd be happy to do that. Perhaps I can find someone to help me implement it. If I can't tell the difference, I'll be happy to report that. |
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Stupey Sillybot, defender of all-consuming terror!
In rec.audio.tech George M. Middius wrote:
Stupey Sillybot's back is up. What's scaring Stupey? Why, some hideously uninhibited Normal mentioned [gasp!] vinyl recordings! "Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound) aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in the first place..." 'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape. The horror! They're talking about LPs in public! And -- get this -- THEY'RE NOT WAVING PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!! Who can blame Stupey for reacting like this? He was minding his own business, peacefully building up his Fortress Of Audio Safety (known to Normals as a crypt). And along comes a Normal who DARES to mention the Forbidden Truth. Of course Sillybot is terrified. What 'borg wouldn't be? The only possible 'horror' here, for me, would come from putting myself in your place, and realizing that *all* I'd ever had to show for myself was puerile 'funny' names, ten-ton sarcasm, and nerdy in-jokes in the service of endless, pointless, psychotic vendettas...all of which would still be there in the public record to condemn me as a sad, pathetic loser long after I'm dead. shudder -- -S A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume, "On Miracles" (1748) |
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Stupey Sillybot, defender of all-consuming terror!
Stupey's fragile ego is bruised. Stupey Sillybot's back is up. What's scaring Stupey? Why, some hideously uninhibited Normal mentioned [gasp!] vinyl recordings! "Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound) aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in the first place..." 'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape. The horror! They're talking about LPs in public! And -- get this -- THEY'RE NOT WAVING PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!! Who can blame Stupey for reacting like this? He was minding his own business, peacefully building up his Fortress Of Audio Safety (known to Normals as a crypt). And along comes a Normal who DARES to mention the Forbidden Truth. Of course Sillybot is terrified. What 'borg wouldn't be? The only possible 'horror' here, for me, would come from putting myself in your place, and realizing that *all* I'd ever had to show for myself was puerile 'funny' names, ten-ton sarcasm, and nerdy in-jokes in the service of endless, pointless, psychotic vendettas...all of which would still be there in the public record to condemn me as a sad, pathetic loser long after I'm dead. I get this kind of reaction from time to time. Nine times out of ten, it arises out of envy. I see you engaged your thesaurus to show your vocabulary chops. Did you weigh the risk of getting shunned in the nerds' colony because of your wanton use of three-syllable words? BTW, I have it on good authority that you giggled uncontrollably the first time you read my pet name for you. Don't worry, I don't have it on tape. |
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Stupey Sillybot, defender of all-consuming terror!
On 2 Sep, 14:08, Steven Sullivan wrote:
....all of which would still be there in the public record to condemn me as a sad, pathetic loser long after I'm dead. shudder I have high hopes for you |
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In rec.audio.tech George M. Middius wrote:
Stupey's fragile ego is bruised. Stupey Sillybot's back is up. What's scaring Stupey? Why, some hideously uninhibited Normal mentioned [gasp!] vinyl recordings! "Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound) aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in the first place..." 'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape. The horror! They're talking about LPs in public! And -- get this -- THEY'RE NOT WAVING PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!! Who can blame Stupey for reacting like this? He was minding his own business, peacefully building up his Fortress Of Audio Safety (known to Normals as a crypt). And along comes a Normal who DARES to mention the Forbidden Truth. Of course Sillybot is terrified. What 'borg wouldn't be? The only possible 'horror' here, for me, would come from putting myself in your place, and realizing that *all* I'd ever had to show for myself was puerile 'funny' names, ten-ton sarcasm, and nerdy in-jokes in the service of endless, pointless, psychotic vendettas...all of which would still be there in the public record to condemn me as a sad, pathetic loser long after I'm dead. I get this kind of reaction from time to time. Nine times out of ten, it arises out of envy. This is the tenth time, ****bag. -- -S A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume, "On Miracles" (1748) |
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Stupey Sillybot reveals a nice, shiny button with a big red bull's eye on it. I've hit it twice squarely, and now Stupey begs for more shocks. Stupey's fragile ego is bruised. Stupey Sillybot's back is up. What's scaring Stupey? Why, some hideously uninhibited Normal mentioned [gasp!] vinyl recordings! "Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound) aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in the first place..." 'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape. The horror! They're talking about LPs in public! And -- get this -- THEY'RE NOT WAVING PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!! Who can blame Stupey for reacting like this? He was minding his own business, peacefully building up his Fortress Of Audio Safety (known to Normals as a crypt). And along comes a Normal who DARES to mention the Forbidden Truth. Of course Sillybot is terrified. What 'borg wouldn't be? The only possible 'horror' here, for me, would come from putting myself in your place, and realizing that *all* I'd ever had to show for myself was puerile 'funny' names, ten-ton sarcasm, and nerdy in-jokes in the service of endless, pointless, psychotic vendettas...all of which would still be there in the public record to condemn me as a sad, pathetic loser long after I'm dead. I get this kind of reaction from time to time. Nine times out of ten, it arises out of envy. This is the tenth time, ****bag. Nobody believes that, Stupey. You're an audio know-nothing, just like your pal Arnii Kroofeces. You get your ass handed to you on a regular basis by Real Audio Guys. That wouldn't matter if you weren't so wrapped up in phoney, unjustified egotism. You desperately want to believe you know all there is to know, but time and again you ram your dull little head into the brick wall of reality. Your ego is so distended that you even confessed your total ignorance of the high end. Remember that embarrassing episode, Stupes? You blathered at length about how much you "know", and then it turned out your prize possession is a $1200 surround receiver you bought through the mail without a single audition. That's the opposite of an audiophile's sensibility, Stupey. It reveals the mindset of a lazy, bourgeois monkey. Let us know the next time you feel compelled to yammer about the virtues of audio DBTs for consumers so we can remind you that you have never, ever participated in any audio DBTs. That's not any, not ever. Zero. Never a single one. But does that stop you from singing their praises? No it does not. You flap your lips about the holy blinding rituals anyway. And when you get called on your ignorance, how do you support your "opinions"? With ad-hominem attacks, that's how. You're a pathetic little weasel and everybody knows it. (Except maybe Arnii Krooborg, but you actually believe the Beast's lies about being an "engineer". What a laugh!) I see you engaged your thesaurus to show your vocabulary chops. Did you weigh the risk of getting shunned in the nerds' colony because of your wanton use of three-syllable words? BTW, I have it on good authority that you giggled uncontrollably the first time you read my pet name for you. Don't worry, I don't have it on tape. Why were you silent here, Silly? Did I hit too close to a major nerve plexus? |
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Fewer and fewer know what acoustic music typically sounds like. Probably true. But what is its relevance to the LP versus CD debate? There is a massive amount of violence that is usually done to recorded music, and it is an accomplished fact by the time a signal comes out of a microphone(s). In comparison to that, discussion of relatively good media like digital is pretty moot. There are hysterical people who have had some kind of transcendent experience where they perceived something unique and desirable coincident with listening to a certain recording. They lack the logic and reason that it takes to separate the medium from the message they heard at that magic moment. For them, no other medium will be able to duplicate that kind of moment. Some of those people like the sound of many CDs. Actually, nobody much cares what medium they are listening to. Loving music is about the message, not the medium. I agree with them. About what? Some of them also have experienced some LPs to be the best sound at home they have yet experienced. Some of them may be serial killers, an/or understudies for Mother Theresa.. When a statement is as vague as many of the ones above, they are really quite meaningless. I'm also one of those people. Equally meaningless. |
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"Jenn" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , ScottW wrote: Wrong Arny. As I've said many times before, it's a matter of "picking your poison". It's ALL artificial. I can listen through a few tics. I can't listen through a recorded violin sound that resembles an instrument made of plastic. You think digital does that to a recording of a violin? I don't know, but I've never experienced that on LP, and I have on CD. Obviously Jenn, you lack my 55 years, more or less, of listening to vinyl. That's true. I'm only 51. I guess you were very indiscriminate when you were young, because you obviously didn't notice the horrors of vinyl in the day. What makes you say that? Of course I noticed the faults. And I've said time and time again that most CDs sound better than most LPs. For the first 36 years of my life, basically vinyl was all that we had, and it often sucked mightily even though our player technology for the last 10 or so years was essentially what is available today. During that time I heard plenty of recordings that made music sound like it was played on plastic instruments. I've heard lots of bad reproduction via LP, but bad in different ways than some digital. That is a meaningless statement. Well it has meaning, but its a truism. Of course. I'm simply stating that I hear different faults in the two media. For some reason, you feel the need to question that. The questioning comes because in fact one medium is subjectively perfect, and the other is rather egregiously imperfect. You seem to be confused as to which is which. Perhaps your CD player is broken. Even my Arcam doesn't do that. Nope, checked out fine 6 mo. ago. Besides, I'm speaking about all the CD players I've heard. Obviously a problem with lack of experience, lol A statement for which you have no evidence. Yes I do, I have months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn. You presume that I hear what I hear based on lack of experience. Well Jenn, you are rather callow, poorly educated, and intentionally ignorant of much about audio. You have no evidence to support that statement. Yes I do, I have months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn What you do have is a desire to argue with me. No, I have a desire to overcome what residual effects your importune statements might have. but I think there is a little bias and hysteria tossed in. Of course you do. Really? That's a statement for which you have no compelling evidence. No, the evidence is that "hysteria" seems to be your default statement concerning why I like the sound of something. I have months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn Nothing like recently blowing nearly a $grand on a vinyl player to keep the illusion going. You're entitled to your opinion. You're entitled to try to justify your poor judgment, Jenn.; Again, you're entitled to your opinion. I spend $1000 on a TT/arm/cartridge because I like the way that it sounds. For a price that obviously caused some sacrifice on your part, you bought a new rendition of the same old audible artifacts. If you think that this is foolish, I simply advise you not to do the same. I would like to open your mind to actual reality, Jenn. |
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In article AbZuk.279$393.193@trnddc05, "Chronic Philharmonic" wrote: I've heard the effect on CD. I've not heard the effect on the best LPs. Here's an experiment you could run, if you really want to get at the truth: Copy the LPs that exhibit the sound you prefer to a CD, using a high quality sound card, taking care that any ticks and pops do not exceed digital full scale, while simultaneously making sure the rumble and surface noise stays above the properly dithered digital noise level (fortunately, this is not difficult). Then play back the LP and the newly-recorded CD in a properly implemented A-B-X listening test, and see if you can distinguish any difference between the two with any statistically significant repeatability. That wouldn't help the poorly recorded cds on which the effect manifests. Yet another technical tyro who have the medium and message hopelessly confused. No coincidence - a LP lover. |
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Chronic Philharmonic wrote: No, this would only prove or disprove the ability of the medium to accurately reproduce whatever is fed into it. That's what a medium is supposed to do. Gold in, gold out. Garbage in, garbage out. A poorly recorded CD, like a poorly recorded LP, is garbage. To be pedantic, it's not a "poorly recorded CD", but poorly recorded or mastered music that happens to be carried on a CD. Good point, and a point that is hoplessly obscured by the confused thinking of LP bigots. |
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In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Both arsenic and water can be poisonous, but I'll pick the glass of water every time. Good for you. I hear it differently. Obviously. You've got that recent large expenditure on substandard technology to justify to yourself. You've got the chronology wrong. Prove it. Please keep enjoying your music, and I'll enjoy mine. You're changing the subject Jenn, from analysis of relevant facts to personal preferences. I'm not changing the subject at all, Arny. It's not about analysis of facts. For me, listening to music is about, in this order: 1. The music itself Then any medium that has even modest fidelity, like the LP format, might even suffice. 2. Listening to the best sound possible on a given recording according my my ears. In fact for most people, listening is not just about the ears. It's about the ears and the brain. This one fact alone might explain your great obsession with the ancient and widely-discredited LP format. Perhaps your priorities are different. Well, I do a lot of production of recorded media and sound reinforcement. The sound quality failings of the vinyl format are well-known and generally-agreed-upon to be by far the stronger poison to our mutual goal of lifelike sound. It's ALL artificial. Not necessarily. I've played CDs through a live sound system and temporarily fooled people into thinking there is a live performance going on. I can't imagine that happening, Attributable to a lack of real-world experience. No, I've listened to a great deal of live music and a great many audio systems in several locales. Several locales? LOL! If you've only visited several locales, please come back when you have experiences that compare with mine. but good for you and for those people. Dismissive attitude noted, Ironic coming from a person with such limited real world experience with audio. It's not dismissive at all. If some people can be fooled in this way, they are ahead of the game. ????????????? Nothing coming through a speaker ever sounds close to real, IMO. You've obviously never done the experiment I described, or done it right. What experiment? The one I just described - playing a specific recording in a medium-sized venue where music is played much of the time. As usual Jenn, you've placed yourself on a high pedestal above people who simply know more about the topic than you do. A ridiculous statement. I have months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn I've in no way said that I'm better or on some kind of other "pedestal". Quite visible in months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn. All I've said is that I hear what I hear, you hear what you hear, and everyone should enjoy what sounds best to them. I have no idea why you have such a problem with that concept. For one thing, I favor using the brain while listening. That appears to be an irreconcilable difference between us, Jenn. |
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Stupey Sillybot, defender of all-consuming terror!
In rec.audio.tech George M. Middius wrote:
I get this kind of reaction from time to time. Nine times out of ten, it arises out of envy. This is the tenth time, ****bag. Nobody believes that, Stupey. Nobody but you gives a damn, you pathetic, saliva-spraying mental case. Now **** off to the only place you can call home: *plonk* -- -S A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume, "On Miracles" (1748) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Both arsenic and water can be poisonous, but I'll pick the glass of water every time. Good for you. I hear it differently. Obviously. You've got that recent large expenditure on substandard technology to justify to yourself. You've got the chronology wrong. Prove it. lol Please keep enjoying your music, and I'll enjoy mine. You're changing the subject Jenn, from analysis of relevant facts to personal preferences. I'm not changing the subject at all, Arny. It's not about analysis of facts. For me, listening to music is about, in this order: 1. The music itself Then any medium that has even modest fidelity, like the LP format, might even suffice. Yes, at the end of the day, any medium that doesn't get in the way of the music will do. But sometimes one also likes to enjoy excellent sound to go along with the music. Excellent sound that one can experience with good CDs and LPs. 2. Listening to the best sound possible on a given recording according my my ears. In fact for most people, listening is not just about the ears. It's about the ears and the brain. Of course listening involves both the ears and the brain. The ears by themselves hear nothing. That's a truism. This one fact alone might explain your great obsession with the ancient and widely-discredited LP format. I don't have an obsession. You have an obsession with claiming that I have an obsession. Perhaps your priorities are different. Well, I do a lot of production of recorded media and sound reinforcement. So? The sound quality failings of the vinyl format are well-known and generally-agreed-upon to be by far the stronger poison to our mutual goal of lifelike sound. It's ALL artificial. Not necessarily. I've played CDs through a live sound system and temporarily fooled people into thinking there is a live performance going on. I can't imagine that happening, Attributable to a lack of real-world experience. No, I've listened to a great deal of live music and a great many audio systems in several locales. Several locales? LOL! If you've only visited several locales, please come back when you have experiences that compare with mine. "Several" is an inexact word. Is "many" more to your liking? OK. I've listened to a great deal of live music and a great many audio systems in many locales. but good for you and for those people. Dismissive attitude noted, Ironic coming from a person with such limited real world experience with audio. It's not dismissive at all. If some people can be fooled in this way, they are ahead of the game. ????????????? If the game is to as closely possible replicate the sound of actual live music, then those who can fooled into thinking that a stereo is live music is indeed ahead of the game. Nothing coming through a speaker ever sounds close to real, IMO. You've obviously never done the experiment I described, or done it right. What experiment? The one I just described - playing a specific recording in a medium-sized venue where music is played much of the time. I didn't know that that was an experiment. Tell us how that experiment was carried out. As usual Jenn, you've placed yourself on a high pedestal above people who simply know more about the topic than you do. A ridiculous statement. I have months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn Impossible, as I've never "placed myself on a high pedestal". Care to provide an example? I've in no way said that I'm better or on some kind of other "pedestal". Quite visible in months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn. See above. All I've said is that I hear what I hear, you hear what you hear, and everyone should enjoy what sounds best to them. I have no idea why you have such a problem with that concept. For one thing, I favor using the brain while listening. That appears to be an irreconcilable difference between us, Jenn. False premise, as I use my brain a great deal while listening. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "geoff" wrote in message Chronic Philharmonic wrote: No, this would only prove or disprove the ability of the medium to accurately reproduce whatever is fed into it. That's what a medium is supposed to do. Gold in, gold out. Garbage in, garbage out. A poorly recorded CD, like a poorly recorded LP, is garbage. To be pedantic, it's not a "poorly recorded CD", but poorly recorded or mastered music that happens to be carried on a CD. Good point, and a point that is hoplessly obscured by the confused thinking of LP bigots. Ah! The "LP bigots" canard! That took longer than it usually does. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , ScottW wrote: Wrong Arny. As I've said many times before, it's a matter of "picking your poison". It's ALL artificial. I can listen through a few tics. I can't listen through a recorded violin sound that resembles an instrument made of plastic. You think digital does that to a recording of a violin? I don't know, but I've never experienced that on LP, and I have on CD. Obviously Jenn, you lack my 55 years, more or less, of listening to vinyl. That's true. I'm only 51. I guess you were very indiscriminate when you were young, because you obviously didn't notice the horrors of vinyl in the day. What makes you say that? Of course I noticed the faults. And I've said time and time again that most CDs sound better than most LPs. For the first 36 years of my life, basically vinyl was all that we had, and it often sucked mightily even though our player technology for the last 10 or so years was essentially what is available today. During that time I heard plenty of recordings that made music sound like it was played on plastic instruments. I've heard lots of bad reproduction via LP, but bad in different ways than some digital. That is a meaningless statement. Well it has meaning, but its a truism. Of course. I'm simply stating that I hear different faults in the two media. For some reason, you feel the need to question that. The questioning comes because in fact one medium is subjectively perfect, and the other is rather egregiously imperfect. You seem to be confused as to which is which. Not at all. You seem to be confused about the obvious fact that people have different listening priorities. The few faults of well produced happen to lay in in an area that is important to how I perceive music. If it's different for you, I certainly have no problem with that. Perhaps your CD player is broken. Even my Arcam doesn't do that. Nope, checked out fine 6 mo. ago. Besides, I'm speaking about all the CD players I've heard. Obviously a problem with lack of experience, lol A statement for which you have no evidence. Yes I do, I have months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn. You presume that I hear what I hear based on lack of experience. Well Jenn, you are rather callow, poorly educated, and intentionally ignorant of much about audio. I'm admittedly uneducated about the scientific aspects of audio. I've admitted that all along. But by definition, I'm highly educated about what sounds like music to my ears. Obviously, that is far more important. You have no evidence to support that statement. Yes I do, I have months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn Already addressed. What you do have is a desire to argue with me. No, I have a desire to overcome what residual effects your importune statements might have. Yes, I'm "importune" about what I hear. You would rather I lie about what I hear? How odd. but I think there is a little bias and hysteria tossed in. Of course you do. Really? That's a statement for which you have no compelling evidence. No, the evidence is that "hysteria" seems to be your default statement concerning why I like the sound of something. I have months and months of your statements as evidence, Jenn How have I displayed "hysteria", Arny? Nothing like recently blowing nearly a $grand on a vinyl player to keep the illusion going. You're entitled to your opinion. You're entitled to try to justify your poor judgment, Jenn.; Again, you're entitled to your opinion. I spent $1000 on a TT/arm/cartridge because I like the way that it sounds. For a price that obviously caused some sacrifice on your part, you bought a new rendition of the same old audible artifacts. If you think that this is foolish, I simply advise you not to do the same. I would like to open your mind to actual reality, Jenn. The reality is that I hear what I hear. Why you have problems with me expressing my thoughts on that is anyone's guess. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Fewer and fewer know what acoustic music typically sounds like. Probably true. But what is its relevance to the LP versus CD debate? There is a massive amount of violence that is usually done to recorded music, and it is an accomplished fact by the time a signal comes out of a microphone(s). In comparison to that, discussion of relatively good media like digital is pretty moot. There are hysterical people who have had some kind of transcendent experience where they perceived something unique and desirable coincident with listening to a certain recording. They lack the logic and reason that it takes to separate the medium from the message they heard at that magic moment. For them, no other medium will be able to duplicate that kind of moment. Some of those people like the sound of many CDs. Actually, nobody much cares what medium they are listening to. Loving music is about the message, not the medium. Of course. I agree with them. About what? That some people like the sound of many CDs. Some of them also have experienced some LPs to be the best sound at home they have yet experienced. Some of them may be serial killers, an/or understudies for Mother Theresa.. When a statement is as vague as many of the ones above, they are really quite meaningless. Really? The statement that some people like many CDs and some people like some LPs is a meaningless statement when discussing preferences of media? OK... I'm also one of those people. Equally meaningless. Not when debunking the your myth that I'm "hysterical" about what I listen to. |
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On Sep 3, 11:38*am, Jenn wrote:
In article , *"Arny Krueger" wrote: I would like to open your mind to actual reality, Jenn. The reality is that I hear what I hear. *Why you have problems with me expressing my thoughts on that is anyone's guess. In the past, Arny Krueger has argued that for someone to express a preference different from his own is equivalent to a personal attack and that he will respond accordingly. The context for that remark was a dsicussion of a preference test I had performed in the Fall of 1982, where, under blind conditions, listeners expressed a preference for LP rather than the then-new CD. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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, John Atkinson wrote: On Sep 3, 11:38*am, Jenn wrote: In article , *"Arny Krueger" wrote: I would like to open your mind to actual reality, Jenn. The reality is that I hear what I hear. *Why you have problems with me expressing my thoughts on that is anyone's guess. In the past, Arny Krueger has argued that for someone to express a preference different from his own is equivalent to a personal attack and that he will respond accordingly. The context for that remark was a dsicussion of a preference test I had performed in the Fall of 1982, where, under blind conditions, listeners expressed a preference for LP rather than the then-new CD. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile How odd. |
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John Atkinson said: In the past, Arny Krueger has argued that for someone to express a preference different from his own is equivalent to a personal attack and that he will respond accordingly. The context for that remark was a dsicussion of a preference test I had performed in the Fall of 1982, where, under blind conditions, listeners expressed a preference for LP rather than the then-new CD. That was a prejudicial and discriminatory event, as you well know, John. How many 'borgs did you invite? None, I daresay. |
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"John Atkinson" wrote ...
Jenn wrote: "Arny Krueger" \ wrote: I would like to open your mind to actual reality, Jenn. The reality is that I hear what I hear. Why you have problems with me expressing my thoughts on that is anyone's guess. In the past, Arny Krueger has argued that for someone to express a preference different from his own is equivalent to a personal attack and that he will respond accordingly. The context for that remark was a dsicussion of a preference test I had performed in the Fall of 1982, where, under blind conditions, listeners expressed a preference for LP rather than the then-new CD. So now we're back to comparing 21-st century LP technology to 1st generation CD technology? Has the discussion now come full-circle? Now I remember why I was ignoring this thread and I'll leave you to it. |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote ... Jenn wrote: "Arny Krueger" \ wrote: I would like to open your mind to actual reality, Jenn. The reality is that I hear what I hear. Why you have problems with me expressing my thoughts on that is anyone's guess. In the past, Arny Krueger has argued that for someone to express a preference different from his own is equivalent to a personal attack and that he will respond accordingly. The context for that remark was a dsicussion of a preference test I had performed in the Fall of 1982, where, under blind conditions, listeners expressed a preference for LP rather than the then-new CD. So now we're back to comparing 21-st century LP technology to 1st generation CD technology? No, the test was in the 20th century Fall of 1982. Stephen Has the discussion now come full-circle? Now I remember why I was ignoring this thread and I'll leave you to it. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... On 29 Aug, 16:57, Jenn wrote: I can listen through a few tics. Even better when I don't have to any more. I can't listen through a recorded violin sound that resembles an instrument made of plastic Me either, regardless of whether it ends up on vinyl, CD, tape, or carving on a cerial box. well put!!! excellent. It simply reaffirms your bias then I take it? Good for you. MrT. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. Nothing like recently blowing nearly a $grand on a vinyl player to keep the illusion going. Nearly a grand? You can't get anything halfway decent for under a grand! That you can pay over $100,000 on a turntable proves there are people with far more money than sense. Where you could possibly get records in this universe that would justify even 1/10th of that money remains a mystery. MrT. |
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On 6 Sep, 03:19, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... On 29 Aug, 16:57, Jenn wrote: I can listen through a few tics. Even better when I don't have to any more. I can't listen through a recorded violin sound that resembles an instrument made of plastic Me either, regardless of whether it ends up on vinyl, CD, tape, or carving on a cerial box. well put!!! excellent. It simply reaffirms your bias then I take it? Good for you. MrT. it wasn't me that you were responding to |
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"Jenn" wrote in message
Not when debunking the your myth that I'm "hysterical" about what I listen to. When are you going to start trying to do that? So far I haven't seen a perceptible effort, let alone a successful one! |
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