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On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 12:41:56 AM UTC+11, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Is Precision Electronics on King St. still in business? Call them up and
ask them who they'd recommend for small board rework. They used to be a
Weller and Pace dealer.


There is a Precision Radio at 1160 King St. that sounds like the place.

Check with the ohmmeter and see.


Are we talking continuity check between the pads that should not be connected per the upgrade instructions?

Are you sure it's the same pad?


It's hard to tell through the 3x loupe what I'm looking at between the broken, brightly reflecting solder resist crystals, the brightly reflecting board material and the brightly reflecting metal line. Everything reflects brightly here but yours truly. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I severed that line because even the neighboring pad began to move. Surprised they didn't ask for a hole to be dug for a hand crank too to make the chip upgrade more convoluted.
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Keoki wrote:
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 12:41:56 AM UTC+11, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Is Precision Electronics on King St. still in business? Call them up and
ask them who they'd recommend for small board rework. They used to be a=

=20
Weller and Pace dealer.


There is a Precision Radio at 1160 King St. that sounds like the place.


Yes, they are an electronics parts supplier. They sell to all the folks
doing repair work in the state (and actually in a lot of the central
Pacific). They are the place to go when you need a 6DJ8 tube or a soldering
iron.

Check with the ohmmeter and see.


Are we talking continuity check between the pads that should not be connect=
ed per the upgrade instructions?


And continuity check between the pads that ARE supposed to be connected.
You could have a solder bridge, then again you could have a cold joint.
The ohmmeter will tell you for sure.

Are you sure it's the same pad?


It's hard to tell through the 3x loupe what I'm looking at between the brok=
en, brightly reflecting solder resist crystals, the brightly reflecting boa=
rd material and the brightly reflecting metal line. Everything reflects bri=
ghtly here but yours truly. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I severed that line =
because even the neighboring pad began to move. Surprised they didn't ask f=
or a hole to be dug for a hand crank too to make the chip upgrade more conv=
oluted.


You overheated the board and lifted a pad. Now everything related to that
is going to have to come off the board, the lifted bit replaced with a piece
of hookup wire, and the whole thing put back together. It has just gone from
a relatively easy job with proper tools to a much more time-consuming and
difficult job.
--scott



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On Monday, September 3, 2012 10:26:36 AM UTC-10, Scott Dorsey wrote:

You overheated the board and lifted a pad. Now everything related to that
is going to have to come off the board, the lifted bit replaced with a piece


Hello Scott,

I got my hands on a multimeter, and I checked continuity. The "lifted" pad that I soldered seems to conduct current quite fine, even if it looks uglyish. (Second soldering from left) Basically everything checked out except the nicest looking first solder. Huh? I gently removed the soldering, checked the two bare pads themselves - no continuity! No wonder then!

http://www.southseascave.com/wp-cont.../cont_test.jpg

These two were unconnected in the original setup. So I tested the two other pads of that triplet which used to be connected. Also no continuity! I did blow something, then, perhaps the nearest soldering to the left of those pads. I noticed how it kept getting darker as the work dragged on; it wasn't too glossy to start with.

Do I call Precision Radio?
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I dropped off the H3000 at the repair shop recommended by Precision Radio. I gave them a copy of the service (repair) manual and the 5-page upgrade instructions which says nothing about the solder resist booby trap.

They'll let me know if they can do something with the unit. I notice there is a tropical fish store nearby.
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I got the H3000 back from the recommended repair facility. The two pads that did not have continuity are soldered. The soldering itself has continuity. Rom chip #1 is reinserted flush wrong in the socket. The power unit was upside down Total cost $20.

The H3000 does not start whatsoever. As in, dead like George Washington's grandmother, even the screen doesn't blink when I flip the switch. The fuse is OK, voltage is still at 115, yet it's bricker then when it went in.


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I removed the solder that the fellow put on the pads, and underneath, the two pads still don't have any continuity. As when I left the unit with him. (Except then the LCD worked.)

So the fellow did not trace the line why there's no continuity, apparently. He slapped a gob of solder on the pads, put the chip back wrong and charged a twenty. And that's "the" recommended place... :-)
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I removed all the upgrade solderings, resoldered the single pre-upgrade link, replugged the Rom original chips and et voila - functional plain H3000 again!

http://www.southseascave.com/wp-cont...00_is_back.jpg

One thing is different, though. The machine only has programs 105, 106, 107, 109, 110 and 253.

I powered the H3000 off and replaced its original second Rom chip which the upgrade set's. Will I get a kajillion programs now? Restart, reset... nope, still only 105, 106, 107, 109, 110 and 253. These presets must be on the first, OS Rom. And yes, when I powered up with just the OS Rom, these 6 presets were still available. So the second chip isn't "coming in". Powering up with just the upgrade OS Rom produced no love, so I put the old OS Rom back.

(To think all this heap of trouble is because Eventide designed the Rom area of a $3000 unit in a way to require soldering just to accommodate more Rom chips...)
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I removed the solder that the fellow put on the pads, and underneath, the two pads still don't have any continuity. As when I left the unit with him. (Except then the LCD worked.)

So the fellow did not trace the line why there's no continuity, apparently. He slapped a gob of solder on the pads, put the chip back wrong and charged a twenty. And that's "the" recommended place... :-)


Right. Did you tell him that you'd lifted pads on the thing before? If you
hadn't, he might not have known to check.

I'll point out that my bench fee just to look at something like this is
around ten times what you paid, so I'd say you did well. Take it back to
him, explain what happened and what you measured.
--scott


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I figured out why the second chip did not "come in". It's the pad I severed per the upgrade instructions. (Yep, the "lifted" one.) I soldered it back to the adjacent pad to which the severed line used to go, and pronto - all the presets are back and everything works as before.

And that's when I put this H3000 back up on eBay where it came from pronto, and call it a K.O. win for the TC VoiceLive 2. A H3000 can't MIDI pitch shift polyphonically, done deal. Question settled.
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On Monday, September 10, 2012 12:22:41 PM UTC+11, Ty Ford wrote:

Thanks for all of your hard work to get that answer.


You are welcome. The apparent fact that no one pursued this question since 1988 makes me wonder if the Ultra-Harmonizers' main use in studios was not harmonizing at all? Even Eventide's Wikipedia page only highlights snare and solo vocal pitch shifting, time-compressing movies, flanging, etc. It doesn't mention creating harmony from a vocal anywhere. I guess "Super-Shifter" just wasn't impressive enough for Marketing?
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