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What's your favourite source for recorded music? What fits best with
good valve amplification? Just listening to an old Marantz seedy65 playing through my prototype 6CH6 SE headphone amp. New to this kind of thing, I'm surprised to hear a choir singing inside the piano. Did Beethoven put it there on purpose? Sounds kinda cool, all in 3D. I've only heard a real grand piano once, and it had an orchestra with it. The multi-layered sustain thing going on in these sonatas sounds so beautifully contrived, I hope its not a malfunction. Dual TDA1541 DACs, BTW. Phones are AKG K702. AFAIK they are the only things made in Austria. Austrians yodel, and make headphones. If you find K701s going cheap, snap 'em up. They start off like bees with chainsaws, but eventually come really good. Anyway, what source do you like best, and why? cheers, Ian Sorry, Austrians. I know you do other stuff too, but you probably don't want me to mention it. |
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On Feb 11, 10:18*pm, Ian Iveson wrote:
What's your favourite source for recorded music? What fits best with good valve amplification? Just listening to an old Marantz seedy65 playing through my prototype 6CH6 SE headphone amp. New to this kind of thing, I'm surprised to hear a choir singing inside the piano. Did Beethoven put it there on purpose? Sounds kinda cool, all in 3D. I've only heard a real grand piano once, and it had an orchestra with it. The multi-layered sustain thing going on in these sonatas sounds so beautifully contrived, I hope its not a malfunction. Dual TDA1541 DACs, BTW. Phones are AKG K702. AFAIK they are the only things made in Austria. Austrians yodel, and make headphones. If you find K701s going cheap, snap 'em up. They start off like bees with chainsaws, but eventually come really good. Anyway, what source do you like best, and why? cheers, Ian Sorry, Austrians. I know you do other stuff too, but you probably don't want me to mention it. Ian, My favourite source is a live concert. Educates the ears... but not often enough! So, my most used sources are CD's and old vinyl. I've recently recommissioned two vintage turntables and dragged some LP's out of the basement. This system has two Heathkit WA-P2 preamps to one Williamson and one Pilotone amplifiers, into two Ditton 44 speakers. I may change one channel to a Leak TL/25 with a Point One Plus preamp (just refurbished) when I get around to it. I also like to play other people's grand pianos (when I can find them) for the same reason... keeping the ears up! While my electronic keyboard is good (General Music PRO1), as is the sound system (2 x 40 watt s/s stereo amp, two PSB 2B's plus a 150 watt s/s subwoofer amplifier to a 12" subwoofer), it's not a Steinway! Cheers, Roger |
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:25:25 -0800 (PST), Roger Jones
wrote: On Feb 11, 10:18*pm, Ian Iveson wrote: What's your favourite source for recorded music? What fits best with good valve amplification? Just listening to an old Marantz seedy65 playing through my prototype 6CH6 SE headphone amp. New to this kind of thing, I'm surprised to hear a choir singing inside the piano. Did Beethoven put it there on purpose? Sounds kinda cool, all in 3D. I've only heard a real grand piano once, and it had an orchestra with it. The multi-layered sustain thing going on in these sonatas sounds so beautifully contrived, I hope its not a malfunction. Dual TDA1541 DACs, BTW. Phones are AKG K702. AFAIK they are the only things made in Austria. Austrians yodel, and make headphones. If you find K701s going cheap, snap 'em up. They start off like bees with chainsaws, but eventually come really good. Anyway, what source do you like best, and why? cheers, Ian Sorry, Austrians. I know you do other stuff too, but you probably don't want me to mention it. Ian, My favourite source is a live concert. Educates the ears... but not often enough! So, my most used sources are CD's and old vinyl. I've recently recommissioned two vintage turntables and dragged some LP's out of the basement. This system has two Heathkit WA-P2 preamps to one Williamson and one Pilotone amplifiers, into two Ditton 44 speakers. I may change one channel to a Leak TL/25 with a Point One Plus preamp (just refurbished) when I get around to it. I also like to play other people's grand pianos (when I can find them) for the same reason... keeping the ears up! While my electronic keyboard is good (General Music PRO1), as is the sound system (2 x 40 watt s/s stereo amp, two PSB 2B's plus a 150 watt s/s subwoofer amplifier to a 12" subwoofer), it's not a Steinway! Cheers, Roger That disclaimer reminds me of a Victor Borge concert where he proclaims to the audience "The Steinway people have asked me to announce that THIS is a Baldwin piano." |
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"flipper" wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:25:25 -0800 (PST), Roger Jones wrote: On Feb 11, 10:18 pm, Ian Iveson wrote: What's your favourite source for recorded music? What fits best with good valve amplification? Just listening to an old Marantz seedy65 playing through my prototype 6CH6 SE headphone amp. New to this kind of thing, I'm surprised to hear a choir singing inside the piano. Did Beethoven put it there on purpose? Sounds kinda cool, all in 3D. I've only heard a real grand piano once, and it had an orchestra with it. The multi-layered sustain thing going on in these sonatas sounds so beautifully contrived, I hope its not a malfunction. Dual TDA1541 DACs, BTW. Phones are AKG K702. AFAIK they are the only things made in Austria. Austrians yodel, and make headphones. If you find K701s going cheap, snap 'em up. They start off like bees with chainsaws, but eventually come really good. Anyway, what source do you like best, and why? cheers, Ian Sorry, Austrians. I know you do other stuff too, but you probably don't want me to mention it. Ian, My favourite source is a live concert. Educates the ears... but not often enough! So, my most used sources are CD's and old vinyl. I've recently recommissioned two vintage turntables and dragged some LP's out of the basement. This system has two Heathkit WA-P2 preamps to one Williamson and one Pilotone amplifiers, into two Ditton 44 speakers. I may change one channel to a Leak TL/25 with a Point One Plus preamp (just refurbished) when I get around to it. I also like to play other people's grand pianos (when I can find them) for the same reason... keeping the ears up! While my electronic keyboard is good (General Music PRO1), as is the sound system (2 x 40 watt s/s stereo amp, two PSB 2B's plus a 150 watt s/s subwoofer amplifier to a 12" subwoofer), it's not a Steinway! Cheers, Roger That disclaimer reminds me of a Victor Borge concert where he proclaims to the audience "The Steinway people have asked me to announce that THIS is a Baldwin piano." I was at a concert in Copenhagen, where he opened the fall board of the piano, put on his reading glasses, studied the gold lettering for a moment, and said: "Steinway and Sons. He didn't tell me he was married" At the same concert, he was talking about the instruments of the orchestra. He said: The difference between the violin and the viola? The viola burns longer!"" Iain |
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I was at a concert in Copenhagen, where he opened the fall board
of the piano, put on his reading glasses, studied the gold lettering for a moment, and said: "Steinway and Sons. He didn't tell me he was married" At the same concert, he was talking about the instruments of the orchestra. He said: The difference between the violin and the viola? The viola burns longer!"" Iain[/quote] My everyday driver, a Sansui AU717, 90 Watts/Channel & TU717 Tuner, Sony PSX6 Direct Drive Turntable, Akai HX-R44 Cassette Tape Deck, Technics SL-PG340 CD & RSC Olympus Speakers. I will listen to most anything Except C&W! And a Realistix DX-300 Triple Conversion All-Band Receiver. Still have my pair of PP 6L6GC UL Monoblocks I built around 1960. The differance between a cat & bagpipes? You can kill a cat! Cheers, John |
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:17:57 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote: "flipper" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:25:25 -0800 (PST), Roger Jones wrote: On Feb 11, 10:18 pm, Ian Iveson wrote: What's your favourite source for recorded music? What fits best with good valve amplification? Just listening to an old Marantz seedy65 playing through my prototype 6CH6 SE headphone amp. New to this kind of thing, I'm surprised to hear a choir singing inside the piano. Did Beethoven put it there on purpose? Sounds kinda cool, all in 3D. I've only heard a real grand piano once, and it had an orchestra with it. The multi-layered sustain thing going on in these sonatas sounds so beautifully contrived, I hope its not a malfunction. Dual TDA1541 DACs, BTW. Phones are AKG K702. AFAIK they are the only things made in Austria. Austrians yodel, and make headphones. If you find K701s going cheap, snap 'em up. They start off like bees with chainsaws, but eventually come really good. Anyway, what source do you like best, and why? cheers, Ian Sorry, Austrians. I know you do other stuff too, but you probably don't want me to mention it. Ian, My favourite source is a live concert. Educates the ears... but not often enough! So, my most used sources are CD's and old vinyl. I've recently recommissioned two vintage turntables and dragged some LP's out of the basement. This system has two Heathkit WA-P2 preamps to one Williamson and one Pilotone amplifiers, into two Ditton 44 speakers. I may change one channel to a Leak TL/25 with a Point One Plus preamp (just refurbished) when I get around to it. I also like to play other people's grand pianos (when I can find them) for the same reason... keeping the ears up! While my electronic keyboard is good (General Music PRO1), as is the sound system (2 x 40 watt s/s stereo amp, two PSB 2B's plus a 150 watt s/s subwoofer amplifier to a 12" subwoofer), it's not a Steinway! Cheers, Roger That disclaimer reminds me of a Victor Borge concert where he proclaims to the audience "The Steinway people have asked me to announce that THIS is a Baldwin piano." I was at a concert in Copenhagen, where he opened the fall board of the piano, put on his reading glasses, studied the gold lettering for a moment, and said: "Steinway and Sons. He didn't tell me he was married" At the same concert, he was talking about the instruments of the orchestra. He said: The difference between the violin and the viola? The viola burns longer!"" He was one funny fellah. Lots of his famous routines on Youtube, including his history of the piano which, he points out, was invented long after there weren't any. |
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On Feb 14, 5:17*am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"flipper" wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:25:25 -0800 (PST), Roger Jones wrote: On Feb 11, 10:18 pm, Ian Iveson wrote: What's your favourite source for recorded music? What fits best with good valve amplification? Just listening to an old Marantz seedy65 playing through my prototype 6CH6 SE headphone amp. New to this kind of thing, I'm surprised to hear a choir singing inside the piano. Did Beethoven put it there on purpose? Sounds kinda cool, all in 3D. I've only heard a real grand piano once, and it had an orchestra with it. The multi-layered sustain thing going on in these sonatas sounds so beautifully contrived, I hope its not a malfunction. Dual TDA1541 DACs, BTW. Phones are AKG K702. AFAIK they are the only things made in Austria. Austrians yodel, and make headphones. If you find K701s going cheap, snap 'em up. They start off like bees with chainsaws, but eventually come really good. Anyway, what source do you like best, and why? cheers, Ian Sorry, Austrians. I know you do other stuff too, but you probably don't want me to mention it. Ian, My favourite source is a live concert. *Educates the ears... but not often enough! *So, my most used sources are CD's and old vinyl. *I've recently recommissioned two vintage turntables and dragged some LP's out of the basement. *This system has two Heathkit WA-P2 preamps to one Williamson and one Pilotone amplifiers, into two Ditton 44 speakers. *I may change one channel to a Leak TL/25 with a Point One Plus preamp (just refurbished) when I get around to it. I also like to play other people's grand pianos (when I can find them) for the same reason... keeping the ears up! *While my electronic keyboard is good (General Music PRO1), as is the sound system (2 x 40 watt s/s stereo amp, two PSB 2B's plus a 150 watt s/s subwoofer amplifier to a 12" subwoofer), it's not a Steinway! Cheers, Roger That disclaimer reminds me of a Victor Borge concert where he proclaims to the audience "The Steinway people have asked me to announce that THIS is a Baldwin piano." I was at a concert in Copenhagen, where he opened the fall board of the piano, put on his reading glasses, studied the gold lettering for a moment, and said: "Steinway and Sons. He didn't tell me he was married" At the same concert, he was talking about the instruments of the orchestra. *He said: The difference between the violin and the viola? The viola burns longer!"" Ah, Good old Victor Borge. We need ppl with a sense of humerator. Patrick Turner. |
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On Feb 13, 10:54*pm, John L Stewart John.L.Stewart.
wrote: I was at a concert in Copenhagen, where he opened the fall board of the piano, put on his reading glasses, studied the gold lettering for a moment, and said: "Steinway and Sons. He didn't tell me he was married" At the same concert, he was talking about the instruments of the orchestra. *He said: The difference between the violin and the viola? The viola burns longer!"" Iain My everyday driver, a Sansui AU717, 90 Watts/Channel & TU717 Tuner, Sony PSX6 Direct Drive Turntable, Akai HX-R44 Cassette Tape Deck, Technics SL-PG340 CD & RSC Olympus Speakers. I will listen to most anything Except C&W! And a Realistix DX-300 Triple Conversion All-Band Receiver. Still have my pair of PP 6L6GC UL Monoblocks I built around 1960. The differance between a cat & bagpipes? You can kill a cat! Cheers, John Never heard of those speakers. Got lots about: http://www.olympusthemusical.co.uk/inf.html You've got some scary serious stuff there, John. I tend to imagine ppl here use whatever amp they just built, as a matter of course. Yours is the kind of equipment I might find in the home of a professional engineer. That's an early "single bit" MASH CD player I believe. Any reason to choose that, or perhaps CD is a low priority for you? Everyone's throwing out their CD players, so I've been comparing my Sony with earlier players from pioneers Philips/Marantz, starting with an original 14-bit CD104 and working through several generations of mid-range TDA1541 machines. I love the cute styling of the early square boxes, and their astoundingly heavy construction quality. They definitely sound different, in mostly negative ways, probably depending on the output stage and the DAC power supply I guess. The CD65 is the closest to the excellent Sony so far, and also sounds the best. I'm quite pleased that I can hear what the TDA1541 fanatics are on about, but I suspect on balance I don't like it in the same way that I'm not keen on what ppl call "valve sound". Nevertheless, I'm going to clean up the analogue bits of a CD50, on its way, and adopt it as a second player. Maybe it'll grow on me. Other than CD I have nothing until I manage to get a DAB/FM tuner. We're being slowly forced in that direction. Sold my Denon tuner before I realised DAB/FM tuners can't be found cheap, so I just listen to BBC on the 'puter, which is too mechanically noisy for anything else. I've never liked vinyl or tape...too much fuss and/or noise...even though I like the engineering of some reel-to-reels. My Kenwood amp cost me a fiver for lots of watts, driving Mission bookshelves with polyprop cones and sibilant tweeters, until I put the missing 6CH6s back in my "power" amp and get my Celestion 33s back from their perilous trip to Derbyshire. C&W is so wide you can't dislike it all, surely. Much of it is shallow formula pop, which makes the typically tragic themes sound silly. Some go so far as to make this an art form though, like Tammy Wynette's "D.I.V.O.R.C.E" or Kenny Rogers' "Ruby, don't take your love to town". Then, round the French top and bottom of the States there's some nice mixes. Also some hippy West Coast bands like Greatful Dead. Oh, and some really outstanding individual songs like Emmylou Harris' version of "Diamonds are a girls best friend". Ian |
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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message ... On Feb 13, 10:54 pm, John L Stewart John.L.Stewart. wrote: I was at a concert in Copenhagen, where he opened the fall board of the piano, put on his reading glasses, studied the gold lettering for a moment, and said: "Steinway and Sons. He didn't tell me he was married" At the same concert, he was talking about the instruments of the orchestra. He said: The difference between the violin and the viola? The viola burns longer!"" Iain My everyday driver, a Sansui AU717, 90 Watts/Channel & TU717 Tuner, Sony PSX6 Direct Drive Turntable, Akai HX-R44 Cassette Tape Deck, Technics SL-PG340 CD & RSC Olympus Speakers. I will listen to most anything Except C&W! And a Realistix DX-300 Triple Conversion All-Band Receiver. Still have my pair of PP 6L6GC UL Monoblocks I built around 1960. The differance between a cat & bagpipes? You can kill a cat! Cheers, John Never heard of those speakers. Got lots about: http://www.olympusthemusical.co.uk/inf.html You've got some scary serious stuff there, John. I tend to imagine ppl here use whatever amp they just built, as a matter of course. Yours is the kind of equipment I might find in the home of a professional engineer. That's an early "single bit" MASH CD player I believe. Any reason to choose that, or perhaps CD is a low priority for you? Everyone's throwing out their CD players, so I've been comparing my Sony with earlier players from pioneers Philips/Marantz, starting with an original 14-bit CD104 and working through several generations of mid-range TDA1541 machines. I love the cute styling of the early square boxes, and their astoundingly heavy construction quality. They definitely sound different, in mostly negative ways, probably depending on the output stage and the DAC power supply I guess. The CD65 is the closest to the excellent Sony so far, and also sounds the best. I'm quite pleased that I can hear what the TDA1541 fanatics are on about, but I suspect on balance I don't like it in the same way that I'm not keen on what ppl call "valve sound". Nevertheless, I'm going to clean up the analogue bits of a CD50, on its way, and adopt it as a second player. Maybe it'll grow on me. Other than CD I have nothing until I manage to get a DAB/FM tuner. We're being slowly forced in that direction. Sold my Denon tuner before I realised DAB/FM tuners can't be found cheap, so I just listen to BBC on the 'puter, which is too mechanically noisy for anything else. I've never liked vinyl or tape...too much fuss and/or noise...even though I like the engineering of some reel-to-reels. My Kenwood amp cost me a fiver for lots of watts, driving Mission bookshelves with polyprop cones and sibilant tweeters, until I put the missing 6CH6s back in my "power" amp and get my Celestion 33s back from their perilous trip to Derbyshire. C&W is so wide you can't dislike it all, surely. Much of it is shallow formula pop, which makes the typically tragic themes sound silly. Som go so far as to make this an art form though, like Tammy Wynette's "D.I.V.O.R.C.E" or Kenny Rogers' "Ruby, don't take your love to town". Then, round the French top and bottom of the States there's some nice mixes. Also some hippy West Coast bands like Greatful Dead. Oh, and some really outstanding individual songs like Emmylou Harris' version of "Diamonds are a girls best friend". Ian ================================================== ======= Victor's punctuation routines were classic! These days I'm mostly doing internet radio (high bit rate subscription) from a netbook connected to a Linksys Music Bridge that has its coax digital output connected to an MSB DAC. And yeah, from there is all home built. Preamp built in a Dyna PAS chassis, a 70 wpc KT88 PP amp feeding my speakers which are old KLH cabinets re-braced w/ Seas drivers. Also have a newer Marantz CD and a Carver TX-11 Tuner. Mark |
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