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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... Most of the 'Eurorack' range also don't have PFL. In fact many/most of the models with more than a couple of balanced inputs (and input trims), did IME. I'm still think it's highly amusing that I commented on Yamaha making 16 balanced channel FOH mixers with no PFL metering, and others need to complain about 2 or 4 balanced channel mixers designed mainly for home use. But IME there is always something you want on any mixer, that the manufacturer chooses to leave out unfortunately. MrT. |
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"Bob Howes" wrote in
message "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. Indeed. Arny is CORRECT that many mixers don't have PFL. Just check out the Behringer offerings since Phildo's so keen on the brand. They have overload lights which is a form of PFL metering. Actually, many Berhinger mixers lack overload lights, as well. Still doesn't make up 95% of mixing desks out there Arnold. This manual describes what is arguably Behringer's largest-selling line of mixers. http://www.behringerdownload.de/XENY..._ENG_Rev_A.pdf Oh look , the dimwit knows how to look up a website. This manual shows that as usual, Phildo is talking trash. None of the stereo channels have clip lights. Only the mono channels have clip lights. So they do actually have clip lights, just not on all the channels so they do in fact have some form of PFL metering. Skirt round the issue all you like Arnold, you claimed that 95% of mixing desks did not have PFL metering. Now admit you were wrong, apologise and move on like your lord tells you that you should do. Phildo It's worth pointing out that the Behringer Xenyx range is aimed mainly at the home studio market, hence the USB audio interface for recording on a PC. In fact the USB interface is an optional, external feature for most if not all of the Xenix models. Clearly, some people are using the mixers live, but that's not what it was designed for and explains a lot about the feature set Behringer included. I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of what makes a general-purpose mixing console suitable for recording and unsuitable for live sound. I've been told by a local live sound eggspurt that Yamaha's 02R96 is not suitable for live sound, I eventually found out that he arrived at this opinion after he attempted to demonstrate one at a local venue, and failed to coax anything out of its main outputs. I guess he knows more about digital consoles than Yamaha, who describe the 02R96 as being suitable for doing live sound. |
#523
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Most of the 'Eurorack' range also don't have PFL. In fact many/most of the models with more than a couple of balanced inputs (and input trims), did IME. Here's the box score for the whole Eurorack product line: MX602 - no PFL 2 mic inputs MX400 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is line mixer MX2004A - PFL MX 882 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer. I wish mine had PFL as that would help with cuing media MX2682 - PFL RX1602 - - no PFL - no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer MX3242 - PFL MX9000 - PFL SL2442FX - PFL SL3242FX - PFL RX1202 FX - no PFL, 8 mic inputs 5 with no PFL 7 with PFL It's most, but not by an overwhelming amount. The largest mixer with no PFL has 8 mic inputs. |
#524
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Most of the 'Eurorack' range also don't have PFL. In fact many/most of the models with more than a couple of balanced inputs (and input trims), did IME. Here's the box score for the whole Eurorack product line: MX602 - no PFL 2 mic inputs MX400 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is line mixer MX2004A - PFL MX 882 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer. I wish mine had PFL as that would help with cuing media MX2682 - PFL RX1602 - - no PFL - no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer MX3242 - PFL MX9000 - PFL SL2442FX - PFL SL3242FX - PFL RX1202 FX - no PFL, 8 mic inputs 5 with no PFL 7 with PFL It's most, but not by an overwhelming amount. The largest mixer with no PFL has 8 mic inputs. So your figure of 95% of mixers not having PFL is looking more dubious by the minute Arnold. Care to admit now that you were wrong and apologise to all the good people of AAPLS for all the trouble you've caused? Phildo |
#525
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of what makes a general-purpose mixing console suitable for recording and unsuitable for live sound. That statement alone speaks volumes about why you should not be posting to aapls. I've been told by a local live sound eggspurt that Yamaha's 02R96 is not suitable for live sound, I eventually found out that he arrived at this opinion after he attempted to demonstrate one at a local venue, and failed to coax anything out of its main outputs. The guy was right in some respects. While it can be used for live sound, it is not an ideal desk for a lot of situations sue to its complexity. A visiting engineer cannot be shown how to use the desk in 5 minutes at a festival for example. Same goes for the PM1D and to some extent the PM5D. MC7L is a much better example for live sound use as it is simple to use and only needs a few minutes for an experienced engineer to find his way around it. Since you try to pass yourself off as a local live sound eggspurt you should have known this already but it just shows yet again you know nothing and are merely pretending. I guess he knows more about digital consoles than Yamaha, who describe the 02R96 as being suitable for doing live sound. Yamaha state it is suitable and in some cases (such as for a production show in a theatre where it will be used by the same engineer all the time) it is a great desk but there are a lot of examples where a different choice of desk aimed more at the live sound market would be a better idea. Phildo |
#526
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Phildo wrote: Care to admit now that you were wrong and apologise to all the good people of AAPLS for all the trouble you've caused? How about you apologising for your very existence ? Graham |
#527
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Eeyore wrote:
Bob Howes wrote: "Phildo" wrote "Arny Krueger" wrote Indeed. Arny is CORRECT that many mixers don't have PFL. Just check out the Behringer offerings since Phildo's so keen on the brand. They have overload lights which is a form of PFL metering. Actually, many Berhinger mixers lack overload lights, as well. Still doesn't make up 95% of mixing desks out there Arnold. This manual describes what is arguably Behringer's largest-selling line of mixers. http://www.behringerdownload.de/XENY..._ENG_Rev_A.pdf Oh look , the dimwit knows how to look up a website. This manual shows that as usual, Phildo is talking trash. None of the stereo channels have clip lights. Only the mono channels have clip lights. So they do actually have clip lights, just not on all the channels so they do in fact have some form of PFL metering. Skirt round the issue all you like Arnold, you claimed that 95% of mixing desks did not have PFL metering. Now admit you were wrong, apologise and move on like your lord tells you that you should do. It's worth pointing out that the Behringer Xenyx range is aimed mainly at the home studio market, hence the USB audio interface for recording on a PC. Clearly, some people are using the mixers live, but that's not what it was designed for and explains a lot about the feature set Behringer included. Most of the 'Eurorack' range also don't have PFL. Graham I've always found that "USB audio interface" feature of the Xenyx range a bit of a giggle. They just chuck an external RCA to USB converter in the box |
#528
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Peak overload
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In article , says... we listen to each others recordings at monthly meets. My contribution that month was a sample of intentionally clipped audio with differing amount of clipping. The material was classical choir. The first 2 dB of clipping was inaudible to all, I just made the demonstration to get people to understand that it is possible to worry too much about technical perfection, so I didn't make any notes, but I think it was around some 4 dB of clipping that it was perceived as audibly deteriorated. What matters is not the amount of clipping, but rather the duration. A couple of milliseconds tends to be inaudible, this based on information provided at some AES event here in Copenhagen. It's *very* program-dependent. Agreed. Choir in a reverberant room is not what I would consider "forgiving" in this regards. You can't hard-clip classical piano at all without hearing clicks. Indeed, the original BBC delay line limiter was inspired by the observation that even a fast attack time limiter would cause audible clicks on piano. How many milliseconds is "at all"? The delay line limiter allowed them to decrease the slope of the limiter attack to the point where the modulation distortion was psychoacoustically masked. Thank you! Bob Orban Kind regards Peter Larsen |
#529
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Most of the 'Eurorack' range also don't have PFL. In fact many/most of the models with more than a couple of balanced inputs (and input trims), did IME. Here's the box score for the whole Eurorack product line: MX602 - no PFL 2 mic inputs MX400 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is line mixer MX2004A - PFL MX 882 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer. I wish mine had PFL as that would help with cuing media MX2682 - PFL RX1602 - - no PFL - no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer MX3242 - PFL MX9000 - PFL SL2442FX - PFL SL3242FX - PFL RX1202 FX - no PFL, 8 mic inputs 5 with no PFL 7 with PFL And as I said, far and away most of the models with more than a few mic inputs. MrT. |
#530
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Most of the 'Eurorack' range also don't have PFL. In fact many/most of the models with more than a couple of balanced inputs (and input trims), did IME. Here's the box score for the whole Eurorack product line: MX602 - no PFL 2 mic inputs MX400 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is line mixer MX2004A - PFL MX 882 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer. I wish mine had PFL as that would help with cuing media MX2682 - PFL RX1602 - - no PFL - no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer MX3242 - PFL MX9000 - PFL SL2442FX - PFL SL3242FX - PFL RX1202 FX - no PFL, 8 mic inputs 5 with no PFL 7 with PFL And as I said, far and away most of the models with more than a few mic inputs. That's your qualification, not mine. Also, you hand-picked just a certain line of mixers. |
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"Phildo" wrote in message
... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of what makes a general-purpose mixing console suitable for recording and unsuitable for live sound. That statement alone speaks volumes about why you should not be posting to aapls. No Phildo, the absence of such a thing shows how arbitrarily claims like this are tossed around. This post notwitstanding, you have given no logical reason why an 02R96 shouldn't be used for live sound, given that it has enough channels, etc. I've been told by a local live sound eggspurt that Yamaha's 02R96 is not suitable for live sound, I eventually found out that he arrived at this opinion after he attempted to demonstrate one at a local venue, and failed to coax anything out of its main outputs. The guy was right in some respects. While it can be used for live sound, it is not an ideal desk for a lot of situations sue to its complexity. What complexity? Does a simple thing like layers blow your mind that much? Does input and output patching confuse your little feeble brain? Are parametric equalizers too much for you to learn how to use, except with great difficulty? Maybe complex to you, Phildo. To me the 02R96 is hardly complex at all. I have taught 4 people how to use it. Two had never used a mixing console before, and mixed a show using 20 or so channels only an hour or two after they first saw it. The other one was experienced and virtually taught himself. There's a girl, a junior in high school that just learned how to use our 02R96 to mix a program with video and recorded music as well as a mic, in less than 1.5 hours from the first time she ever looked seriously at any mixer in her whole life. A visiting engineer cannot be shown how to use the desk in 5 minutes at a festival for example. Maybe that's true of the grade of sound tech that you hang with Phildo, as well as your sweet self. An experienced engineer should not need to be shown anything about an 02R96 in order to use it to almost immediately mix a show if they even have just heard how digital mixers work from a friend. Faders are faders, mutes are mutes, etc. Same goes for the PM1D and to some extent the PM5D. Those are just 02R96s for people who have to see every fader at the same time in order to keep things straight in their head. ;-) MC7L is a much better example for live sound use as it is simple to use and only needs a few minutes for an experienced engineer to find his way around it. Been there, done that. See my comment above. My learning curve on first sight of a M7CL was about was about 30 seconds. Then there's the LS9 - a little harder to use because it lacks the touch-sensitive faders. Another 30 second learning curve. Yamaha state it is suitable... That's exactly right Phildo - Yamaha says that the 02R96 is recommended by them for live sound, and you can't give a reason why not, except that maybe for some odd reason it scares you and the people you hang with. The 02R96 worked out great for us because it has the channels we need (32) with a reasonable allowance for expansion, is easy to use, and is narrower than most if not all of the Yamaha digital consoles with a comparable number of channels. The fact that we picked one up with a new equipment warranty for less than $8K was very sweet. |
#532
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Most of the 'Eurorack' range also don't have PFL. In fact many/most of the models with more than a couple of balanced inputs (and input trims), did IME. Here's the box score for the whole Eurorack product line: MX602 - no PFL 2 mic inputs MX400 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is line mixer MX2004A - PFL MX 882 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer. I wish mine had PFL as that would help with cuing media MX2682 - PFL RX1602 - - no PFL - no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer MX3242 - PFL MX9000 - PFL SL2442FX - PFL SL3242FX - PFL RX1202 FX - no PFL, 8 mic inputs 5 with no PFL 7 with PFL And as I said, far and away most of the models with more than a few mic inputs. That's your qualification, not mine. Also, you hand-picked just a certain line of mixers. Now why the hell have you raked up this old thread? I think you're just trying to get yet another flamefest going! Why don't you grow up? Ron(UK) |
#533
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"Ron(UK)" wrote in message ... Arny Krueger wrote: "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Most of the 'Eurorack' range also don't have PFL. In fact many/most of the models with more than a couple of balanced inputs (and input trims), did IME. Here's the box score for the whole Eurorack product line: MX602 - no PFL 2 mic inputs MX400 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is line mixer MX2004A - PFL MX 882 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer. I wish mine had PFL as that would help with cuing media MX2682 - PFL RX1602 - - no PFL - no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer MX3242 - PFL MX9000 - PFL SL2442FX - PFL SL3242FX - PFL RX1202 FX - no PFL, 8 mic inputs 5 with no PFL 7 with PFL And as I said, far and away most of the models with more than a few mic inputs. That's your qualification, not mine. Also, you hand-picked just a certain line of mixers. Now why the hell have you raked up this old thread? I've been on vacation. Just catching up with posts from just before I left town. I think you're just trying to get yet another flamefest going! As if comments like this don't serve that crappy purpose well! Why don't you grow up? Ditto. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. And as I said, far and away most of the models with more than a few mic inputs. That's your qualification, not mine. Yes, and a fair one IMO. Also, you hand-picked just a certain line of mixers. That wasn't me. MrT. |
#535
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Most of the 'Eurorack' range also don't have PFL. In fact many/most of the models with more than a couple of balanced inputs (and input trims), did IME. Here's the box score for the whole Eurorack product line: MX602 - no PFL 2 mic inputs MX400 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is line mixer MX2004A - PFL MX 882 - no PFL no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer. I wish mine had PFL as that would help with cuing media MX2682 - PFL RX1602 - - no PFL - no mic inputs, as it is a line mixer MX3242 - PFL MX9000 - PFL SL2442FX - PFL SL3242FX - PFL RX1202 FX - no PFL, 8 mic inputs 5 with no PFL 7 with PFL And as I said, far and away most of the models with more than a few mic inputs. That's your qualification, not mine. Also, you hand-picked just a certain line of mixers. One that you yourself quoted to try to back up your point. Care to admit you were wrong yet Arnold or are you happy to carry on proving yourself to be a liar in front of everyone for a little while longer? Phildo |
#536
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of what makes a general-purpose mixing console suitable for recording and unsuitable for live sound. That statement alone speaks volumes about why you should not be posting to aapls. No Phildo, the absence of such a thing shows how arbitrarily claims like this are tossed around. No Arnold, I was right the first time. You don't know enough to be trying to dispense advice on live sound. This post notwitstanding, you have given no logical reason why an 02R96 shouldn't be used for live sound, given that it has enough channels, etc. I never said it shouldn't be used, just that it was not ideal. I've even given you the reasons Arnold. Maybe I should try again using words of one syllable? I've been told by a local live sound eggspurt that Yamaha's 02R96 is not suitable for live sound, I eventually found out that he arrived at this opinion after he attempted to demonstrate one at a local venue, and failed to coax anything out of its main outputs. The guy was right in some respects. While it can be used for live sound, it is not an ideal desk for a lot of situations sue to its complexity. What complexity? Does a simple thing like layers blow your mind that much? Not mine but a visiting engineer only used to analogue boards would have real trouble using a board. Does input and output patching confuse your little feeble brain? Arnold, I use a PM1D, a waaaaaaay more complicated desk than your puny little offering, one you can only dream about using but which is reserved for us real sound engineers. Are parametric equalizers too much for you to learn how to use, except with great difficulty? I use them every single day Arnold. I also use meters to set the channel gains, something you still haven't learned to do. Maybe complex to you, Phildo. To me the 02R96 is hardly complex at all. You already admitted yourself you don't have a clue how to use it. Setting channel gains by using your ears instead of the meters is a recipe for trouble on a digital board. I have taught 4 people how to use it. How can you do that when you don't know how to use it yourself? Talk about the blind leading the blind. Two had never used a mixing console before, and mixed a show using 20 or so channels only an hour or two after they first saw it. Pushing faders up and down is the easy bit. Ask him to set up the board from scratch and it would be a different story. The other one was experienced and virtually taught himself. There's a girl, a junior in high school that just learned how to use our 02R96 to mix a program with video and recorded music as well as a mic, in less than 1.5 hours from the first time she ever looked seriously at any mixer in her whole life. So? It took her 1.5 hours to learn to use the board better than you with all your claimed (lied) years of pro live sound experience. A visiting engineer cannot be shown how to use the desk in 5 minutes at a festival for example. Maybe that's true of the grade of sound tech that you hang with Phildo, as well as your sweet self. No Arnold, it is true of engineers all over the world, real engineers, not just wannabes like yourself. An experienced engineer should not need to be shown anything about an 02R96 in order to use it to almost immediately mix a show if they even have just heard how digital mixers work from a friend. Faders are faders, mutes are mutes, etc. The O2R96 is not an ideal live desk. If you knew anything about live sound then you would know that Arnold. All you are doing is showing everybody here how little you know. Keep it up as there may be some tribes in the remotest parts of the world who still don't know what a dumbass the Krueger is. Same goes for the PM1D and to some extent the PM5D. Those are just 02R96s for people who have to see every fader at the same time in order to keep things straight in their head. ;-) You wish Arnold. The PM1D is a board you have wet dreams about, one reserved for the real engineers you are so desperately jealous of and want to be like. All your comments show are that you know nothing about how the board operates. MC7L is a much better example for live sound use as it is simple to use and only needs a few minutes for an experienced engineer to find his way around it. Been there, done that. See my comment above. My learning curve on first sight of a M7CL was about was about 30 seconds. Me too but if you understand that then you should also understandd why the 96 is not a very good choice for a live board (hence the reason they are very rarely found at live gigs). Then there's the LS9 - a little harder to use because it lacks the touch-sensitive faders. Another 30 second learning curve. Bull****. The LS9 is even easier to use then the MC7L. Yamaha state it is suitable... That's exactly right Phildo - Yamaha says that the 02R96 is recommended by them for live sound, and you can't give a reason why not, except that maybe for some odd reason it scares you and the people you hang with. It is suitable. It is not ideal and there are much better choices out there. You just don't want the people in your church to know you wasted their money on a flash toy that you don't know how to use. The 02R96 worked out great for us because it has the channels we need (32) with a reasonable allowance for expansion, is easy to use, and is narrower than most if not all of the Yamaha digital consoles with a comparable number of channels. The fact that we picked one up with a new equipment warranty for less than $8K was very sweet. If it works for you then all well and good (although they still need someone who knows how to use it). There is a reason that board is very rarely used for live gigs and the fact you cannot see what that reason is just shows everybody here why you shouldn't be posting about live sound. Phildo |
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Maybe complex to you, Phildo. To me the 02R96 is hardly complex at all. for arnii fiding Foh is so complex he need 3 or 4 days of argueing about it location on this board before he tucked tail and ran for cover. things like meters are too complex for arnii, he doesnt use them wasteing money on a fancy desk while not repositioning a horn that was causeing feedback is how arnii serves his church there is one good thing I can say about arnii he's not debony, or eyesore george |
#538
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"Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of what makes a general-purpose mixing console suitable for recording and unsuitable for live sound. That statement alone speaks volumes about why you should not be posting to aapls. No Phildo, the absence of such a thing shows how arbitrarily claims like this are tossed around. No Arnold, I was right the first time. Phildo, everybody knows that you are never wrong, even when you are totally out-to-lunch. Remember your imagninary phenolic circuit boards in QSC amps? LOL! You don't know enough to be trying to dispense advice on live sound. Actually Phildo, I do pretty well giving advice about live sound. I've already affected a few $100,000's of purchase decisions around town. This post notwitstanding, you have given no logical reason why an 02R96 shouldn't be used for live sound, given that it has enough channels, etc. I never said it shouldn't be used, just that it was not ideal. I've even given you the reasons Arnold. Phildo, to give a reason you would have to be able to reason. Your posts about my use of the 02R96 are full of bile and hate. Zero wisdom. Zero relevant facts. Everybody knows you hate me and will tell just about any lie that flys into your little pea brain in a childish attempt to hurt me. Maybe I should try again using words of one syllable? Maybe Phildo, you should teach your mentor George how to properly spell words of one syllable. I've been told by a local live sound eggspurt that Yamaha's 02R96 is not suitable for live sound, I eventually found out that he arrived at this opinion after he attempted to demonstrate one at a local venue, and failed to coax anything out of its main outputs. The guy was right in some respects. While it can be used for live sound, it is not an ideal desk for a lot of situations sue to its complexity. What complexity? Does a simple thing like layers blow your mind that much? Not mine but a visiting engineer only used to analogue boards would have real trouble using a board. Perhaps that might be true if it was you Phildo who was setting the board up for him and introducing it to him. Like I said, I can take total newbies through the Yammie digitals boards I've worked through in very little time. Does input and output patching confuse your little feeble brain? Arnold, I use a PM1D, a waaaaaaay more complicated desk than your puny little offering, one you can only dream about using but which is reserved for us real sound engineers. In fact Phildo, PM1Ds are not reserved for real sound engineers. Anbody with the bread can rent, buy or trial one from a dealer. They are used in churches by non-professionals. Sorry to break your little bubble, Phildo! Are parametric equalizers too much for you to learn how to use, except with great difficulty? I use them every single day Arnold. I also use meters to set the channel gains, something you still haven't learned to do. Phildo its not a matter of me not knowing how, its about getting each particular job done the best way. This has been discussed and other pros around here agree that setting channel gains by ear can work well. Maybe complex to you, Phildo. To me the 02R96 is hardly complex at all. You already admitted yourself you don't have a clue how to use it. No such thing ever happened, Phildo. Setting channel gains by using your ears instead of the meters is a recipe for trouble on a digital board. Phildo, this just shows your parania about digital boards. What makes a digital board so different that setting levels by ear can never work well? I have taught 4 people how to use it. How can you do that when you don't know how to use it yourself? Simple Phildo - I do know how to use it, your lies and hateful spew notwitstanding. Talk about the blind leading the blind. You got a problem with blind people, Phildo? Two had never used a mixing console before, and mixed a show using 20 or so channels only an hour or two after they first saw it. Pushing faders up and down is the easy bit. Ask him to set up the board from scratch and it would be a different story. Phildo, since your work environment is composed of professinally installed systems, how would you even know what it is like to set up a new board you get from scratch? Admit it - you probably never set up your new digital board(s) there on ship from scratch. The other one was experienced and virtually taught himself. There's a girl, a junior in high school that just learned how to use our 02R96 to mix a program with video and recorded music as well as a mic, in less than 1.5 hours from the first time she ever looked seriously at any mixer in her whole life. So? It took her 1.5 hours to learn to use the board better than you with all your claimed (lied) years of pro live sound experience. You're simply talking trash, Phildo. You know Phildo it is really charming shooting the crap with you, but I've got some real work to do. Have a nice day! ;-) |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of what makes a general-purpose mixing console suitable for recording and unsuitable for live sound. That statement alone speaks volumes about why you should not be posting to aapls. No Phildo, the absence of such a thing shows how arbitrarily claims like this are tossed around. No Arnold, I was right the first time. Phildo, everybody knows that you are never wrong, even when you are totally out-to-lunch. Remember your imagninary phenolic circuit boards in QSC amps? LOL! YOU are the one who can never admit your mistakes Arnold. Many times you have promised to provide google URLs of you admitting your errors but never once have you kept your word. Is it any wonder that not one single person on here takes you seriously? Do you STILL not get why your precious toy is not an ideal desk for live sound or do you need it spelled out to you in words of one syllable? Do I have to repost this yet again? As usual you got caught lying (this time about you getting banned from PSW when everybody on AAPLS saw it happen) and then went very quiet when you realise you had been busted. "Phildo" wrote in message news:... "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... Neither can post there under their true names, it seems. Certainly Phildo can't. Yes I can Arny. I am not BANNED like you are. Prove it or admit you've been caught lying again, Phildo. There we go. Look at the "Engineers on drugs" thread. Wow, now I wonder why it took me a month to get you do the right thing Phildo? Still can't admit you were wrong or that you lied. Where did I deny that you finally posted on Prosoundweb, after obfuscating about it for a month or more? No Arny, you said I was banned from PSW. You lied. You got busted. Now be a man, admit you lied and move on. Not that we expected anything more from you Arny. Face it though, you are banned and I am not. It is true that a few weeks ago, I quit Prosoundweb, vowing to never return. Since I have vowed never to return, I don't know if I am banned or not. You just keep telling yourself that Arny. Everybody on here saw you get BANNED. You just keep on lying and lying and showing yourself up in front of everyone. Way to go Arny. So what? It proves you lied. Admit it. Are you so mentally ill that, even when faced with proof, you still claim you didn't lie? How can me posting there be "doing the right thing" Arny? Well Phildo to refresh your substance-abuse-addled mind, I've been challenging you post there for over a month and you allways begged off. No Arny, you've been trying to get me to reveal the other name I claim to post under. You must have thought me really dumb to fall for some of the crazy things you tried. I merely posted there under my real name to prove you wrong and allow you to humiliate yourself once again. Where's the humilation in getting you to stop obfuscating and finally prove that you could? It had nothing to do with that Arny. It had everything to do with proving you to be a liar which I did very successfully. Face it Arny, you lied about me being banned from there and now you are BUSTED big time. Yawn. It must really be slow on that boat. I'm not on a boat. Not for another couple of days yet. I fly out in 10 hours time so will be offline for a couple of days while I laze on a beach in Barbados. Even now you don't have the guts to admit you lied to everyone to try and save yourself from looking stupid after you got BANNED. Face it Arny, I just proved you lied. Wrong Phildo - all I said is that you weren't posting there under you real name, which is a matter of fact. No Arny, you said both George and myself were banned from there and couldn't post. I proved that you lied out your arse on both counts. You have been PROVEN to be a liar Arny in front of everyone, not that one single person on here had any doubts anyway. Phildo, searching for posts on Prosoundweb mentioning you was interesting. Here are some relevant quotes: A google search for Arny Krueger gives results a thousand times worse. Oh, so now what happens to me justifies you in these accounts of your past bad behavior? What happens to you? Nothing happens to you Arny. You bring everything on yourself. A usenet search for Arny Kruger shows up years of mental illness and disgraceful behaviour on your part, far worse than anything you can dig up on me. I think these posts pretty well tell the story, Phildo. I wonder how long you'll last this time? What do you mean "this time" Arny? I was never banned unlike you who got BANNED as soon as you started posting there. Actually Phildo, I posted on ProsoundWeb for about a week. So? You still haven't said what you mean by "this time"? Are you still implying that I was banned at any point from PSW? Come on Arny, tell us what you mean? Are you lying yet again? Seems that even when you get caught you don't have the balls to admit it. Actually Phildo, you said I'd get banned almost instantly and that didn't happen. After just a few posts you got banned exactly as everyone expected. Same thing would happen here if it were moderated. If I post there I respect the forum and stick to the rules. You seem somehow incapable of doing that so got your sorry ass BANNED. Am I really banned? I'm never going to try to post there again, so I suppose I'll never know. ;-) You know full well you are BANNED Arny. Everybody here knows it. You are a laughing stock here AND on PSW. Church engineers all over the world are laughing at you Arny. Your name is mud in the church sound world. Way to go Arny. Phildo It's all gone very quiet from you Arny. What's wrong? Being exposed as a lying scumbag too much for you? Come on, be a man and admit you lied. Phildo Still waiting Arny. What's the matter? Is it too much for you to bear having to admit you lied in front of everyone? Are you not a decent enough person to admit your errors? Phildo Still waiting Arny. Above is proof that you lied and it will be constantly reposted so everyone can see what a bull**** artist until such time as you admit you lied. Still waiting Arny. How many times am I going to have to post this proof that you lied before you will actually be man enough to admit it yourself? Phildo You don't know enough to be trying to dispense advice on live sound. Actually Phildo, I do pretty well giving advice about live sound. I've already affected a few $100,000's of purchase decisions around town. I feel pity for the poor people that spent money based on your advice. That you got them to spend the money does not mean you know what you are talking about, just that you conned them in to believing you did. Now that was hardly an honest thing to do Arnold, especially to your fellow church-goers. You show your complete ignorance in live sound with every single post you make on here. How many times have you been pulled up making hysterically funny errors such as trying to tell everyone here that FOH was backstage? This post notwitstanding, you have given no logical reason why an 02R96 shouldn't be used for live sound, given that it has enough channels, etc. I never said it shouldn't be used, just that it was not ideal. I've even given you the reasons Arnold. Phildo, to give a reason you would have to be able to reason. Thanks for admitting you lack the live sound knowledge to be able to understand why the 02R96 is not ideal for live sound. Your posts about my use of the 02R96 are full of bile and hate. And facts Zero wisdom. Wrong. Just because you don't like what I say doesn't make it wrong. Zero relevant facts. Wrong. Just because you don't like what I say doesn't make it wrong. Everybody knows you hate me and will tell just about any lie that flys into your little pea brain in a childish attempt to hurt me. Yes Arnold, I do hate you with a passion but I never need to lie. You humiliate yourself all the time and I just help you along. When it comes to lying you are the one who likes to make stuff up. How do you think your god looks on your behaviour Arnold? Do you not think he would be displeased with your incessant lying just to feed your ego? Maybe I should try again using words of one syllable? Maybe Phildo, you should teach your mentor George how to properly spell words of one syllable. Nah, George knows his stuff when it comes to live sound, you don't. You should check your spelling before going off on others as well. My spellchecker picked up over 20 errors from you on your last post. People who live in glass houses and all that........ I've been told by a local live sound eggspurt that Yamaha's 02R96 is not suitable for live sound, I eventually found out that he arrived at this opinion after he attempted to demonstrate one at a local venue, and failed to coax anything out of its main outputs. The guy was right in some respects. While it can be used for live sound, it is not an ideal desk for a lot of situations sue to its complexity. What complexity? Does a simple thing like layers blow your mind that much? Not mine but a visiting engineer only used to analogue boards would have real trouble using a board. Perhaps that might be true if it was you Phildo who was setting the board up for him and introducing it to him. Like I said, I can take total newbies through the Yammie digitals boards I've worked through in very little time. Bull****. Does input and output patching confuse your little feeble brain? Arnold, I use a PM1D, a waaaaaaay more complicated desk than your puny little offering, one you can only dream about using but which is reserved for us real sound engineers. In fact Phildo, PM1Ds are not reserved for real sound engineers. Anbody with the bread can rent, buy or trial one from a dealer. They are used in churches by non-professionals. Sorry to break your little bubble, Phildo! As I said, a desk you can only have wet dreams about Arnold. I do a job you had to beg your church to let you do on a volunteer basis. I do what you can only dream about and it really burns you up, so much so that you have to pretend you are a sound engineer. Are parametric equalizers too much for you to learn how to use, except with great difficulty? I use them every single day Arnold. I also use meters to set the channel gains, something you still haven't learned to do. Phildo its not a matter of me not knowing how, Yes it is Arnold, it is exactly that. its about getting each particular job done the best way. This has been discussed and other pros around here agree that setting channel gains by ear can work well. No Arnold. Not one single person said it is a good idea. Everybody told you it is a bad idea but you are too arrogant to ever accept you may be wrong about anything. Maybe complex to you, Phildo. To me the 02R96 is hardly complex at all. You already admitted yourself you don't have a clue how to use it. No such thing ever happened, Phildo. You set your channel gains by ear. Nuff said? Setting channel gains by using your ears instead of the meters is a recipe for trouble on a digital board. Phildo, this just shows your parania about digital boards. I have no paranoia about digital boards. That is all in your mind Arnold. Yet again you have completely made it up. I challenge you to provide google URLs from any time in the last 3 years where I have shown any sort of paranoia over digital desks. Of course you will stall for time then claim you posted them although mysteriously nobody will ever be able to find your post and as usual you will completely fail to come up with the goods. You are all too predictable Arnold. What makes a digital board so different that setting levels by ear can never work well? The sheer fact you have to ask that question only goes to show how clueless you are. Do I really have to tell you? Are you really that stupid? I have taught 4 people how to use it. How can you do that when you don't know how to use it yourself? Simple Phildo - I do know how to use it, You set channel gains by ear instead of with the meters, you ring your monitors out with a CD, you record feedback to try and fix it in time for the next show etc etc etc. You obviously do not know how to use it or you wouldn't do such stupid things. your lies and hateful spew notwitstanding. Dress it up how you want Arnold, the fact remains you do not have a clue and show it with every single post you make. Talk about the blind leading the blind. You got a problem with blind people, Phildo? No, just ****wits like you. Two had never used a mixing console before, and mixed a show using 20 or so channels only an hour or two after they first saw it. Pushing faders up and down is the easy bit. Ask him to set up the board from scratch and it would be a different story. Phildo, since your work environment is composed of professinally installed systems, how would you even know what it is like to set up a new board you get from scratch? You missed out one important word there Arnold. That word is "current" and goes before "work enviroment". As you have been told many times, I have done things you only ever dream about and that includes installing new systems. I do not only work on professionally installed systems but then you already knew that (remember your system was supposedly "professionally installed" yet you still **** it up). The ML5000s on this ship I installed from scratch Admit it - you probably never set up your new digital board(s) there on ship from scratch. Not on this ship, no. I came in to run a system that was already there so have not had the opportunity to do so as yet. What does that prove? I have done so on land though. I may well have to set up a new PM5D in the very near future on a ship. The other one was experienced and virtually taught himself. There's a girl, a junior in high school that just learned how to use our 02R96 to mix a program with video and recorded music as well as a mic, in less than 1.5 hours from the first time she ever looked seriously at any mixer in her whole life. So? It took her 1.5 hours to learn to use the board better than you with all your claimed (lied) years of pro live sound experience. You're simply talking trash, Phildo. Deny the claims all you want Arnold but you make it very clear you do not have a clue. You know Phildo it is really charming shooting the crap with you, but I've got some real work to do. Have a nice day! ;-) Translation from Arnyspeak - "I am getting my butt kicked here and being made to look very stupid so I should bow out quickly and hope nobody notices how I've made a fool of myself all over again". Way to go Arnold. Now then, do you still claim 95% of mixing desks do not have PFL? Phildo |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of what makes a general-purpose mixing console suitable for recording and unsuitable for live sound. That statement alone speaks volumes about why you should not be posting to aapls. No Phildo, the absence of such a thing shows how arbitrarily claims like this are tossed around. No Arnold, I was right the first time. Phildo, everybody knows that you are never wrong, even when you are totally out-to-lunch. Remember your imagninary phenolic circuit boards in QSC amps? LOL! Phildo continues to admit that mistake, and instead posts a huge mess of text that nobody in their right mind is going to plow through |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Phildo" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... I'm still looking for a lucid explanation of what makes a general-purpose mixing console suitable for recording and unsuitable for live sound. That statement alone speaks volumes about why you should not be posting to aapls. No Phildo, the absence of such a thing shows how arbitrarily claims like this are tossed around. No Arnold, I was right the first time. Phildo, everybody knows that you are never wrong, even when you are totally out-to-lunch. Remember your imagninary phenolic circuit boards in QSC amps? LOL! Phildo continues to admit that mistake, and instead posts a huge mess of text that nobody in their right mind is going to plow through I didn't admit any such mistake and you only snipped the text because it proved you to be a liar yet again. Lying is a sin Arnold. How do you think your god is looking down on you right now? Getting paunchy in your old age as well Arnold - www.provide.net/~djcarlst/20070519.htm How these poor idiots ever thought you were in any way qualified to give a talk I don't know but I suppose you lied to them the way you lie to everyone else. Phildo |
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Phildo calls the AES "poor idiots"
"Phildo" wrote in message ... Getting paunchy in your old age as well Arnold - www.provide.net/~djcarlst/20070519.htm Thanks Phildo for pointing out these pictures of me addressing a crowd that included Stan Lip****z and David Clark. I'll bet you don't know who they are. Here's a hint, they are both AES Fellows, and both have served on the AES national board of directors. I didn't know that these pictures were on the web, and modesty would inhibit me from making something out of them. But Phildo did my dirty work for me! ;-) How these poor idiots ever thought you were in any way qualified to give a talk I don't know but I suppose you lied to them the way you lie to everyone else. Yup, according to Phildo, AES fellows, multiply published JAES authors, and past AES board members are "poor idiots". LOL!!! |
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