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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest forhis global warmies
On Dec 8, 2:32*pm, Ben C wrote:
On 2009-12-08, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: The earth IS getting warmer, nobody really knows why tho. Could be man, could be a natural swing BUT if it IS man, and the repub boobs yell, get peoples attention over nonsense, then our kids and our kids kids are screwed. We're also screwed if it isn't man and we waste our time pointlessly cutting CO2 instead of building the dykes a bit higher. The Aztecs assumed the climate change that wiped them out was their fault and the obvious solution was to sacrifice more humans. It's possible their energies might have been better directed elsewhere. I wonder if we could bring back Aztec practices after the global warmies put our economies back in the stone age? Then we'll really see who believes in global warming every time we call for volunteers to have their beating hearts ripped from their living chests to appease the god of carbon dioxide, the Carbo Doxy (slogan: "I just vant to be alone."). I bet most of the loudest global warmies on RBT will suddenly be dead silent and very, very small, more in keeping with the size of their dicks than their mouths. Omnia vincit nexus. Cyber Nexus (1) Pontiff http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html (1) The cyclist who before his elevation to High Priest of the Heart Rippers was known as Andre Jute |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
flipper tapped the mic and amongst other things, said,
"Is this on?" : Someone has to pay for the changes to energy production which are needed to keep a nice cool world. Everyone wants money for 1,001 things and my guess is that most ppl in the world will spend for the short term betterment rather than for the betterment of their grand children. Why would a species spend on the welfare of its yet-to-be- borns when live members have had to fund all their lives without inheritance? Why would a species spend on un-borns when they know half of them will turn out into porn watching drug addicts? We can all be so loving towards the rest of mankind, but like so many marriages that begin with such hope and potential, the end result is an ugly argument about money. Patrick Turner. I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. The dumazzes still don't get it that they've been disgraced and banished to the dogma house. Now I see they are trying to deflect to the sea level rising fraud, long debunked by the late great John L. Daly, although all the raw data is still up on his site, www.john-daly.com. In particular, it is this damning article, http://www.john-daly.com/altimetry/topex.htm so spread it far and wide to expose their double down on stupid while the caviar, jets, limos, and hookers are still hot -- All the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation, John Adams |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefestfor his global warmies
On Dec 9, 8:50*am, sam booka wrote:
flipper tapped the mic and amongst other things, said, "Is this m: Someone has to pay for the changes to energy production which are needed to keep a nice cool world. Everyone wants money for 1,001 things and my guess is that most ppl in the world will spend for the short term betterment rather than for the betterment of their grand children. Why would a species spend on the welfare of its yet-to-be- borns when live members have had to fund all their lives without inheritance? * Why would a species spend on un-borns when they know half of them will turn out into porn watching drug addicts? We can all be so loving towards the rest of mankind, but like so many marriages that begin with such hope and potential, the end result is an ugly argument about money. Patrick Turner. I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. The dumazzes still don't get it that they've been disgraced and banished to the dogma house. Now I see they are trying to deflect to the sea level rising fraud, long debunked by the late great John L. Daly, although all the raw data is still up on his site,www.john-daly.com. In particular, it is this damning article,http://www.john-daly.com/altimetry/topex.htm so spread it far and wide to expose their double down on stupid while the caviar, jets, limos, and hookers are still hot Which university granted John Daly a degree in climatology? Which scientific organizations stand behind this fringe opinion? KTHANX! |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefestfor his global warmies
landotter wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:50 am, sam booka wrote: flipper tapped the mic and amongst other things, said, "Is this m: Someone has to pay for the changes to energy production which are needed to keep a nice cool world. Everyone wants money for 1,001 things and my guess is that most ppl in the world will spend for the short term betterment rather than for the betterment of their grand children. Why would a species spend on the welfare of its yet-to-be- borns when live members have had to fund all their lives without inheritance? Why would a species spend on un-borns when they know half of them will turn out into porn watching drug addicts? We can all be so loving towards the rest of mankind, but like so many marriages that begin with such hope and potential, the end result is an ugly argument about money. Patrick Turner. I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. The dumazzes still don't get it that they've been disgraced and banished to the dogma house. Now I see they are trying to deflect to the sea level rising fraud, long debunked by the late great John L. Daly, although all the raw data is still up on his site,www.john-daly.com. In particular, it is this damning article,http://www.john-daly.com/altimetry/topex.htm so spread it far and wide to expose their double down on stupid while the caviar, jets, limos, and hookers are still hot Which university granted John Daly a degree in climatology? Which scientific organizations stand behind this fringe opinion? KTHANX! I'd wager Daly has better credentials than Algore. Bet? Lord Valve Globally Cool |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
sam booka wrote:
flipper tapped the mic and amongst other things, said, "Is this on?" : Someone has to pay for the changes to energy production which are needed to keep a nice cool world. Everyone wants money for 1,001 things and my guess is that most ppl in the world will spend for the short term betterment rather than for the betterment of their grand children. Why would a species spend on the welfare of its yet-to-be- borns when live members have had to fund all their lives without inheritance? Why would a species spend on un-borns when they know half of them will turn out into porn watching drug addicts? We can all be so loving towards the rest of mankind, but like so many marriages that begin with such hope and potential, the end result is an ugly argument about money. Patrick Turner. I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. The dumazzes still don't get it that they've been disgraced and banished to the dogma house. Now I see they are trying to deflect to the sea level rising fraud, long debunked by the late great John L. Daly, although all the raw data is still up on his site, www.john-daly.com. In particular, it is this damning article, http://www.john-daly.com/altimetry/topex.htm so spread it far and wide to expose their double down on stupid while the caviar, jets, limos, and hookers are still hot Oh sure, a ****ing sailor says it ain't so, so screw all the scientists. |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
Lord Valve wrote:
landotter wrote: On Dec 9, 8:50 am, sam booka wrote: flipper tapped the mic and amongst other things, said, "Is this m: Someone has to pay for the changes to energy production which are needed to keep a nice cool world. Everyone wants money for 1,001 things and my guess is that most ppl in the world will spend for the short term betterment rather than for the betterment of their grand children. Why would a species spend on the welfare of its yet-to-be- borns when live members have had to fund all their lives without inheritance? Why would a species spend on un-borns when they know half of them will turn out into porn watching drug addicts? We can all be so loving towards the rest of mankind, but like so many marriages that begin with such hope and potential, the end result is an ugly argument about money. Patrick Turner. I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. The dumazzes still don't get it that they've been disgraced and banished to the dogma house. Now I see they are trying to deflect to the sea level rising fraud, long debunked by the late great John L. Daly, although all the raw data is still up on his site,www.john-daly.com. In particular, it is this damning article,http://www.john-daly.com/altimetry/topex.htm so spread it far and wide to expose their double down on stupid while the caviar, jets, limos, and hookers are still hot Which university granted John Daly a degree in climatology? Which scientific organizations stand behind this fringe opinion? KTHANX! I'd wager Daly has better credentials than Algore. Bet? Gore doesn't claim to base his views on his own research. Thanks for playing, though! |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
RichL wrote:
Gore doesn't claim to base his views on his own research. No, he just lies repeatedly: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a...ies_the_record |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefestfor his global warmies
On Dec 10, 9:34*am, flipper wrote:
[moronsnip] http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/ [moronsnip] Roy Spencer is a proponent of "intelligent design"--the crackpotiest of crackpot "theories". Really--what more needs to be said other than, **** off you ignorant dooshnoozle? Every single reputable scientific body vs. ... a young Earth creationist. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefestfor his global warmies
flipper wrote:
I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Personally, I'd find it heartwarming that Americans were actually too "green". I'd love to hear the argument. |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
"Peter Cole" wrote flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Strictly speaking, 'Silent Spring' was a little over the top... as close as I can come, sorry. __ Steve .. |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefestfor his global warmies
On Dec 10, 9:53*am, Peter Cole wrote:
flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Personally, I'd find it heartwarming that Americans were actually too "green". I'd love to hear the argument. I think the crux of the issue is the ability to change one's mind given evidence. DDT, for example, is certainly a bad substance when used willy nilly, but it's a lifesaver when used to treat mosquito nets and residential structures in malaria stricken regions. |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
landotter tapped the mic and amongst other things,
said, "Is this on?" news:0e77fc98-1027-4960-906b-e38d5cdae982 @d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com: The only ones left with any credibility are the skeptics. Credibility? You gain credibility if you have evidence. It's not a place you default to because you think someone else stepped over the service line. When you collect evidence not even accurate to a meter, then use it to support your millimeter level hypothesis, then get caught in not just one lie but a series of lies and cover-ups over it, that isn't supposed to make any reasonable man, regardless of their location, skeptical? -- All the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation, John Adams |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefestfor his global warmies
On Dec 10, 10:52*am, sam booka wrote:
landotter tapped the mic and amongst other things, said, "Is this on?" news:86464bc1-d43d-4aac-a262- : On Dec 10, 9:34 am, flipper wrote: [moronsnip] http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/ [moronsnip] Roy Spencer is a proponent of "intelligent design"--the crackpotiest of crackpot "theories". Really--what more needs to be said other than, **** off you ignorant dooshnoozle? Every single reputable scientific body ... that got caught cheating and has now lost all credibility... *vs. ... a young Earth creationist. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Perhaps you should get his Ph.D. revoked then, although it is clear that you are nutz. Let me know how that goes for you... In the meantime, astrophysicists are predicting Global Warming up until 2040 from our present state of cooling for 10 years (when the recently discovered fraudulently manipulated and poorly collected data is chucked.) Their methods appear to stand up to peer review, as do Dr. Roy Spencer's. No they don't stand up to peer review. You are lying. Unfortunately, after that they appear to say it will cool off again, based on tracking the prime climate driver, solar activity cycles. Which scientific bodies say this? The Young Earth Creation Dooshbaggery Union? Better go debunk them too. Good luck because it looks like their methods fit backwards for hundreds of millenia. If a crackpot theory isn't good enough for any legitimate scientific organization to recognize, then I'll take a pass. However--you seem so desperate for evidence for a politically formed opinion that you'll listen to ****ing flat earth creationists. |
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Appeasing Carbo Doxy, was Al Bore cancels Nopenhagen lovefest for his global warmies
It happens that landotter formulated :
On Dec 10, 10:52*am, sam booka wrote: landotter tapped the mic and amongst other things, said, "Is this on?" news:86464bc1-d43d-4aac-a262- : On Dec 10, 9:34 am, flipper wrote: [moronsnip] http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/ [moronsnip] Roy Spencer is a proponent of "intelligent design"--the crackpotiest of crackpot "theories". Really--what more needs to be said other than, **** off you ignorant dooshnoozle? Every single reputable scientific body ... that got caught cheating and has now lost all credibility... *vs. ... a young Earth creationist. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Perhaps you should get his Ph.D. revoked then, although it is clear that you are nutz. Let me know how that goes for you... In the meantime, astrophysicists are predicting Global Warming up until 2040 from our present state of cooling for 10 years (when the recently discovered fraudulently manipulated and poorly collected data is chucked.) Their methods appear to stand up to peer review, as do Dr. Roy Spencer's. No they don't stand up to peer review. You are lying. Unfortunately, after that they appear to say it will cool off again, based on tracking the prime climate driver, solar activity cycles. Which scientific bodies say this? The Young Earth Creation Dooshbaggery Union? Better go debunk them too. Good luck because it looks like their methods fit backwards for hundreds of millenia. If a crackpot theory isn't good enough for any legitimate scientific organization to recognize, then I'll take a pass. However--you seem so desperate for evidence for a politically formed opinion that you'll listen to ****ing flat earth creationists. jeezus, where do I start... Ok, about peer review.... how can anyone accept the concept of peer review when it is stated in the "East Anglia"emails that there were attempts to discredit contradictory science via the peer review process? Any time there is data that does not match the official land temperature data it is dismissed, or massaged away. like the way satellite readings of temperature have been changed to match the official land temperature, however they still can not explain why the lower atmosphere temperature readings don't reflect their estimates based on the "official land temperatures". When tree ring data didn't support their theory what did they do? the ommited the data that didn't match. They never considered the problem may lie in the way they collect real temperaure data. Why? because they could control that, they could make it appear to support their theory. |
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On Dec 10, 2:47*pm, Spender wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:28:10 -0800 (PST), landotter wrote: Tell me--which scientific facts did Einstein discard in lieu of theological assumption? Einstein pretty much discounted quantum mechanics in whole on the grounds that "God does not play dice". Fail. Einstein is one of the founding fathers of QM. |
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landotter wrote:
sam booka wrote: RichL wrote: Oh sure, a ****ing sailor says it ain't so, so screw all the scientists. You haven't been paying attention Doc. The so-called scientists are disgraced by fraud and pathetic attempts to cover their tracks. There is no evidence of fraud, nor is there evidence of a coverup. You are lying. The only ones left with any credibility are the skeptics. Credibility? You gain credibility if you have evidence. It's not a place you default to because you think someone else stepped over the service line. http://circleh.wordpress.com/2009/11...e-of-fraud-by-... Come to think of it, you haven't been very skeptical. No evidence there. But do tell me why you lunatics can't link to a single reputable source that agrees with you? ******s who submit to blogspot from their "shacky" one man institutes in the rockies don't count. This is the exact sort of "gotcha" bull**** we have to endure from glazed-eye creationists who point at every gap in the fossil record as proof that Spider Man created the universe. :sigh: Enjoy the cock of Exxon. Don't forget to lube up occasionally. Exxon makes lube. You might have to accept some chlorinated oils with that. But what's a little cancer between friends? It is pretty amazing that when there's a suggestion that someone in the scientific community has done what what the trumped-up "opposing viewpoint" has been doing all the time, from its inception, to the exclusion of *any* legitimate information gathering or scientific analysis, these monkeys start shrieking and flinging **** like their lives depend on it. I still have a very hard time seeing the downside of conserving the fossil fuels we have left, and developing sustainable new energy technologies. Of course, I'm not on the board of directors of an oil company, looking at the stock options potential of a series of major supply crises that will recur for as long as the industrial world remains stuck on dirty energy. Chalo |
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On Dec 10, 2:42*pm, Spender wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:34:30 -0600, flipper wrote: In the first place, whether someone else does, or does not, have 'the right answer' has no bearing on your pet conjecture. Or, put another way, ignorance of the 'correct answer' does not mean the one you dreamed up is correct. Case in point: earth as the center of the universe surrounded by crystal spheres was not only 'the consensus' for hundreds of years but it actually *worked*. You could predict the future position of the known heavenly bodies and, by golly, that's where they'd be. A perfectly good theory... except for being completely wrong. Or a more recent example. The scientific consensus around 1900 was that although atoms seemed to work as a theoretical model of matter, they couldn't possibly be real. That would be a lie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom#Or...entific_theory |
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landotter wrote:
Peter Cole wrote: flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Personally, I'd find it heartwarming that Americans were actually too "green". I'd love to hear the argument. I think the crux of the issue is the ability to change one's mind given evidence. DDT, for example, is certainly a bad substance when used willy nilly, but it's a lifesaver when used to treat mosquito nets and residential structures in malaria stricken regions. When my mom was a kid in East Texas, the DDT truck would come down the street, spraying as it went, to exterminate the insect life in roadside ditches. The kids rode along behind on their bicycles, enjoying the cool mist and bug-free zone. That's where these folk's heads are at. That's how they used the stuff, when it was possible for them to use it. You'll notice that anti-environmentalists' compassion for the poor malaria-stricken people of the world does not extend so far as to develop and use mosquito-specific biological countermeasures, effective but environmentally non-persistent alternatives to DDT, or anything like that. They just like to whine about environmentalists choosing birds, fish, and cats over cancer, extinctions, diabetes, and DDT-resistant skeeters. Chalo |
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sam booka wrote:
landotter tapped the mic and amongst other things, said, "Is this on?" news:0e77fc98-1027-4960-906b-e38d5cdae982 @d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com: The only ones left with any credibility are the skeptics. Credibility? You gain credibility if you have evidence. It's not a place you default to because you think someone else stepped over the service line. When you collect evidence not even accurate to a meter, then use it to support your millimeter level hypothesis, then get caught in not just one lie but a series of lies and cover-ups over it, that isn't supposed to make any reasonable man, regardless of their location, skeptical? Bzzt. "Reasonable" is out the window with GroundRat and the rest of his GWA fundies. HTH |
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On Dec 10, 3:53*pm, Peter Cole wrote:
flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. DDT was banned on the hysterically hyped claim that it caused cancer. Not a single case of DDT-caused cancer was ever reported. The banning of DDT killed hundreds of millions of the poorest and most defenseless people on earth miserably by starvation and malaria. Rachel Carson, far from being a saint as the green movement pretends, was the brains behind a genocide. Those who marched for the banning of DDT committed a bigger genocide than Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Ho Chi Min and Pol Pot together. I've explained all this to you, Colesy, and I remember your disgustingly smug reply to the effect, "Oh, we now permit them limited use of DDT," as if their lives are up to you to permit or dispose of. It's that sort of callousness that makes the American left into such very, very Ugly Americans. Personally, I'd find it heartwarming that Americans were actually too "green". I'd love to hear the argument. Yup, to American greens, a few eagles are worth 220 million human lives. Of course, the same greenies are all loudly anti-war. Figures. Much cooler and less dangerous to your own precious skins to kill poor people by starvation, eh, Colesy? With utmost contempt, Andre Jute A little, a very little thought will suffice -- John Maynard Keynes |
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On Dec 10, 3:56*pm, "Stephen Cowell"
wrote: "Peter Cole" wrote flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Strictly speaking, 'Silent Spring' was a little over the top... as close as I can come, sorry. __ Steve You must be a very nice guy to be so mild, Steve. "Silent Spring" was the motivator of a monstrous genocide by the banning of DDT that continues to this day. Rachel Carson was the figurehead of gross and disgusting genocide. Andre Jute Let's call the thing by its name |
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In article . com,
Spender wrote: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:43:10 -0500, "RichL" wrote: Gore doesn't claim to base his views on his own research. Of course not. He bases it on the solid majority of scientists who believe the temperature of the interior of the earth is several million degrees. Are you say it's not? -- Michael Press |
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On Dec 10, 8:58*pm, Chalo wrote:
First I'll let Chalo have his say, then I'll demonstrate that every sentence contains at least one lie: It is pretty amazing that when there's a suggestion that someone in the scientific community has done what what the trumped-up "opposing viewpoint" has been doing all the time, from its inception, to the exclusion of *any* legitimate information gathering or scientific analysis, these monkeys start shrieking and flinging **** like their lives depend on it. Okay, here it is again, this time with analysis and commentary: It is pretty amazing that when there's a suggestion Climategate isn't a "suggestion", it is a *confession* of scientific and criminal wrongdoing by an entire branch of a science, paleoclimatogoly for two decades. that someone in the scientific community has done We're not talking about some obscure lab assistant, we're not even talking about a leading scientist in an obscure branch of a forgotten science, we are talking about the "scientists" on whose word we're asked to spend trillions, possibly to wreck our planet for ever. And now we decide they have consistently, for decades, conspired to lie to us and to suppress the truth. What you and the other global warming faithful seem unable to grasp, Chalo, is that without the disappearance of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age by these lying paleoclimatologists, there is no global warming, because those historical events are proof that nothing abnormal has happened or is happening in our time. The lies of those men are the key to global warming. what what the trumped-up "opposing viewpoint" Nothing "trumped-up" about the skeptics. They merely demand what is our right in every science -- science rather than politics and lies. has been doing all the time, from its inception, Prove that the skeptics lied even once, invented data even once, suppressed the truth even once, conspired to cover up each other's crimes even once. Those are the crimes Climategate proves in their own confessions in their own words that the scum who are the leaders of paleoclimatology committed constantly, persistently, and over such a long time that their crimes became so natural that, even as they criminally deleted the original data and discussions, they left the incriminating e-mails stand! to the exclusion of *any* legitimate information gathering or scientific analysis, The skeptics don't have to prove anything. It is up to the proposers of the hypothesis that there is global warming and that it is caused by manmade CO2 to produce proof of both the event and the connection. these monkeys start shrieking and flinging **** like their lives depend on it. Once more, we've known all along that these paleoclimatologists who confessed in the Climategate Papers were crooked, because they lied about a historically and scientifically well proven events. Once more, the theory of manmade global warming stands like an upside down pyramid on the unstable point of the hockey stick. When the hockey stick is exposed as a fraud, and a confessed fraud, there is no proof of global warming, and if there is no event, there is no need to scapegoat CO2 (or even to look for the real cause). I still have a very hard time seeing the downside of conserving the fossil fuels we have left, Sure, we shouldn't waste. But that is no reason to scapegoat CO2, nor to wreck the world economy with measures that won't reduce carbon emissions enough even to be measurable in the atmosphere. What sort of crap policy is this? I'll tell you, it is hysteria in action, nothing to do with science. and developing sustainable new energy technologies. * I'm not too keen on windfarms sliding down hills and causing many acres of soil erosion, as one lot did in Ireland only a few years back. The only alternative source is nuclear energy, and that has not only its own problems but a lot of stiction in the political system, in part because the greenies delight in screeching that someone should do something while simultaneously denying him the means of acting. Of course, I'm not on the board of directors of an oil company, You probably could be for asking. You could be their "show"-greenie. looking at the stock options potential of a series of major supply crises that will recur for as long as the industrial world remains stuck on dirty energy. Those crises are manmade by the same methods the global warmies use to create their own hysterical panics. There is absolutely no shortage of fossil fuel at any possible (never mind likely) rate of growth for further into the future than the industrial revolution is behind us. In any event, your argument appears to come down to, So these paleoclimatologists lied, so what, we'll just believe in global warming regardless of whether there is any science to support it. Of course, that's basically been the IPCC position since the hockey stick and its creator were completely discredited by about 2003. Andre Jute We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period. -- Jonathan Overpeck, climate "scientist", IPCC writer |
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On Dec 10, 9:18*pm, Chalo wrote:
When my mom was a kid in East Texas, the DDT truck would come down the street, spraying as it went, to exterminate the insect life in roadside ditches. *The kids rode along behind on their bicycles, enjoying the cool mist and bug-free zone. And what? Nobody ever got cancer from DDT. That's where these folk's heads are at. *That's how they used the stuff, when it was possible for them to use it. So what, Chalo? You're still labouring under the old myth that DDT caused cancer. Not a single case was ever proven. You'll notice that anti-environmentalists' compassion for the poor malaria-stricken people of the world does not extend so far as to develop and use mosquito-specific biological countermeasures, effective but environmentally non-persistent alternatives to DDT, or anything like that. * Wow! The people who pressurized politicans into banning DDT committed a monstrous genocide, but now they want to blame those who predicted their crime for not, somehow, by magic perhaps, having saved all those poor wretches that the DDT-banners were killing by starvation and malaria, hundreds of millions of them over the intervening decades. They just like to whine about environmentalists choosing birds, fish, and cats over cancer, extinctions, diabetes, and DDT-resistant skeeters. Prove a single instance of cancer, a single instance of diabetes, a single extinction caused by diabetes. As for bugs building up resistance, so what, it happens, then you alter the formula and they die again. That's about the stupidest argument I've ever heard, the equivalent of saying we should stop all work on pesticides because bugs will develop immunity. Yo, pal, you might get out in nature a little more often and discover that bugs have already developed immunity to a whole lot of natural poisons, and countermeasures to predators -- it is called evolution, and it is what will eventually evolve man out of existence. The big irony is that DDT wasn't even banned for green reasons, it was explicit among the leaders of the campaign that it was a test case to demonstrate their political muscle. Their little demonstration has so far cost about 220 million lives, and anybody who today supports the continued banning of DDT is complicit in that continuing genocide. Andre Jute Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live -- Mark Twain |
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Michael Press wrote:
In article . com, Spender wrote: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:43:10 -0500, "RichL" wrote: Gore doesn't claim to base his views on his own research. Of course not. He bases it on the solid majority of scientists who believe the temperature of the interior of the earth is several million degrees. Are you say it's not? Huh? |
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landotter wrote:
Tell me--which scientific facts did Einstein discard in lieu of theological assumption? Spender wrote: Einstein pretty much discounted quantum mechanics in whole on the grounds that "God does not play dice". landotter wrote: Fail. Einstein is one of the founding fathers of QM. Oh that horse is dead. Stop beating it. We've all read myriad Einstein comments about his god. Whatever your or my opinion, Einstein believed. Let's move on. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Chalo wrote:
landotter wrote: Peter Cole wrote: flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Personally, I'd find it heartwarming that Americans were actually too "green". I'd love to hear the argument. I think the crux of the issue is the ability to change one's mind given evidence. DDT, for example, is certainly a bad substance when used willy nilly, but it's a lifesaver when used to treat mosquito nets and residential structures in malaria stricken regions. When my mom was a kid in East Texas, the DDT truck would come down the street, spraying as it went, to exterminate the insect life in roadside ditches. The kids rode along behind on their bicycles, enjoying the cool mist and bug-free zone. That's where these folk's heads are at. That's how they used the stuff, when it was possible for them to use it. You'll notice that anti-environmentalists' compassion for the poor malaria-stricken people of the world does not extend so far as to develop and use mosquito-specific biological countermeasures, effective but environmentally non-persistent alternatives to DDT, or anything like that. They just like to whine about environmentalists choosing birds, fish, and cats over cancer, extinctions, diabetes, and DDT-resistant skeeters. I also rode behind the DDT trucks in summers long past. You're off on some argument I can't follow but we have precious little malaria here, much due to DDT. Which we deny to people who suffer. And that suffering is not merely agony and death. Productivity in the malarial countries drops precipitously as it is a chronic debilitation, dooming large areas to poverty. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Michael Press wrote:
In article . com, Spender wrote: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:43:10 -0500, "RichL" wrote: Gore doesn't claim to base his views on his own research. Of course not. He bases it on the solid majority of scientists who believe the temperature of the interior of the earth is several million degrees. Are you say it's not? http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/PhillipChan.shtml |
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Andre Jute wrote:
On Dec 10, 3:56 pm, "Stephen Cowell" wrote: "Peter Cole" wrote flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Strictly speaking, 'Silent Spring' was a little over the top... as close as I can come, sorry. __ Steve You must be a very nice guy to be so mild, Steve. "Silent Spring" was the motivator of a monstrous genocide by the banning of DDT that continues to this day. Rachel Carson was the figurehead of gross and disgusting genocide. Andre Jute Let's call the thing by its name Anyone who has plodded through her 'Silent Spring' and 'Edge of the Sea' has suffered too. Total waste of time. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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"RichL" wrote:
Gore doesn't claim to base his views on his own research. Spender wrote: Of course not. He bases it on the solid majority of scientists who believe the temperature of the interior of the earth is several million degrees. Michael Press wrote: Are you say it's not? Spender wrote: Are you say it is? Hey guys this is a knowable thing: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...re+temperature -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Dec 11, 1:55*am, AMuzi wrote:
Chalo wrote: landotter wrote: Peter Cole wrote: flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Personally, I'd find it heartwarming that Americans were actually too "green". I'd love to hear the argument. I think the crux of the issue is the ability to change one's mind given evidence. DDT, for example, is certainly a bad substance when used willy nilly, but it's a lifesaver when used to treat mosquito nets and residential structures in malaria stricken regions. When my mom was a kid in East Texas, the DDT truck would come down the street, spraying as it went, to exterminate the insect life in roadside ditches. *The kids rode along behind on their bicycles, enjoying the cool mist and bug-free zone. That's where these folk's heads are at. *That's how they used the stuff, when it was possible for them to use it. You'll notice that anti-environmentalists' compassion for the poor malaria-stricken people of the world does not extend so far as to develop and use mosquito-specific biological countermeasures, effective but environmentally non-persistent alternatives to DDT, or anything like that. *They just like to whine about environmentalists choosing birds, fish, and cats over cancer, extinctions, diabetes, and DDT-resistant skeeters. I also rode behind the DDT trucks in summers long past. You're off on some argument I can't follow but we have precious little malaria here, much due to DDT. Which we deny to people who suffer. And that suffering is not merely agony and death. Productivity in the malarial countries drops precipitously as it is a chronic debilitation, dooming large areas to poverty. I don't suppose anything measures up against the genocidal death toll caused by the banning of DDT, but the banning of DDT was one of the most gross racist acts ever performed by the left. And "manmade global warming" is another grossly racist act of the left. But then again, the left has neither sense of humour nor shame. What is a few hundred million more condemned to poverty and disease in the wake of the 220,000,000, mainly women and children, they've already killed by banning DDT. Andre Jute Never more brutal than he has to be -- Nelson Mandela |
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On Dec 10, 3:18*pm, Chalo wrote:
landotter wrote: Peter Cole wrote: flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Personally, I'd find it heartwarming that Americans were actually too "green". I'd love to hear the argument. I think the crux of the issue is the ability to change one's mind given evidence. DDT, for example, is certainly a bad substance when used willy nilly, but it's a lifesaver when used to treat mosquito nets and residential structures in malaria stricken regions. When my mom was a kid in East Texas, the DDT truck would come down the street, spraying as it went, to exterminate the insect life in roadside ditches. *The kids rode along behind on their bicycles, enjoying the cool mist and bug-free zone. That's where these folk's heads are at. *That's how they used the stuff, when it was possible for them to use it. You'll notice that anti-environmentalists' compassion for the poor malaria-stricken people of the world does not extend so far as to develop and use mosquito-specific biological countermeasures, effective but environmentally non-persistent alternatives to DDT, or anything like that. *They just like to whine about environmentalists choosing birds, fish, and cats over cancer, extinctions, diabetes, and DDT-resistant skeeters. Chalo- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Me too. All things in moderation they say, what doesnt kill you just makes you stronger. I used to collect mercury as a kid, all the aunts an uncles would be sure to save their old thermometers and thermostats so I could harvest the mercury, I had about a quart of it in a jar. I had lead soldiers too, left to me when grandpa died, I had the molds and melting pot, used to melt lead pipe and make soldiers. I'm perfectly healthy at 54 and can keep up with a 20 year old at the gym. The banning of DDT is one of the great tragedies of our time, malaria is a horrably crippling infection with multiple amputations often being the only recourse to extending life. Makes aids look like a summer cold. |
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
landotter wrote: Tell me--which scientific facts did Einstein discard in lieu of theological assumption? Spender wrote: Einstein pretty much discounted quantum mechanics in whole on the grounds that "God does not play dice". landotter wrote: Fail. Einstein is one of the founding fathers of QM. Oh that horse is dead. Stop beating it. We've all read myriad Einstein comments about his god. Whatever your or my opinion, Einstein believed. Let's move on. Einstein was a musicologist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Einstein. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Andre Jute wrote:
I've explained all this to you, Colesy, and I remember your disgustingly smug reply to the effect, "Oh, we now permit them limited use of DDT," as if their lives are up to you to permit or dispose of. It's that sort of callousness that makes the American left into such very, very Ugly Americans. We've been all over this before. You're wrong. |
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Stephen Cowell wrote:
"Peter Cole" wrote flipper wrote: I see no sane reason to 'pay' for a fabricated 'crisis' fantasy and you stomping around in ashes and sackcloth wailing "the end is near, sinner repent" isn't a compelling argument no matter how loud, or often, you scream it. Just curious -- such skepticism must have roots. Has there yet been a major "environmental" movement that proved to be over-hyped hysteria? Conservatives often cite ozone and DDT, but researching those, I haven't seen anything to support the claim that those hazards were overestimated. Strictly speaking, 'Silent Spring' was a little over the top... as close as I can come, sorry. __ Steve . I've reread parts of it, and given that it's 45 years old or so, I think it holds up very well. |
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Andre Jute wrote:
You're still labouring under the old myth that DDT caused cancer. Not a single case was ever proven. The same can be claimed for dioxins. People get cancer, they die-- who's to say what caused it? Correlation between exposure levels and cancer rates proves nothing. It doesn't matter that most organochlorides feature the same statistical anomaly in this regard. That's my story and I'm sticking to it, says the intransigent polluter. Chalo |
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:49:48 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
landotter wrote: Tell me--which scientific facts did Einstein discard in lieu of theological assumption? Spender wrote: Einstein pretty much discounted quantum mechanics in whole on the grounds that "God does not play dice". landotter wrote: Fail. Einstein is one of the founding fathers of QM. Oh that horse is dead. Stop beating it. We've all read myriad Einstein comments about his god. Whatever your or my opinion, Einstein believed. Let's move on. He laid all this crap to rest once and for all: "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." (Albert Einstein, 1954) d |
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Andre Jute tapped the mic and amongst other things,
said, "Is this on?" news:a7588fb5-04e7-4a08-8f44-a26c10e676a0 @r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com: Those crises are manmade by the same methods the global warmies use to create their own hysterical panics. There is absolutely no shortage of fossil fuel at any possible (never mind likely) rate of growth for further into the future than the industrial revolution is behind us. In any event, your argument appears to come down to, So these paleoclimatologists lied, so what, we'll just believe in global warming regardless of whether there is any science to support it. Of course, that's basically been the IPCC position since the hockey stick and its creator were completely discredited by about 2003. Andre Jute "We must get rid of the Medieval Warm Period." -- Jonathan Overpeck, climate "scientist", IPCC writer They're caught green handed in a lie, apparently with the motive of extorting money from developed nations. Since it is the largest extortion and fraud in history, they should do the largest amount of jail time in history, spread out amongst their collaborators and apologists. Madoff got 150 years for 50 billion... How much time will be spread out for their trillions at 3,000 years per trillion? The other alternative is of course World War, which as history has proven, always seems to be the end game of democ'RAT cash shuffling shenanigans. Of course, it turns them more profit too, and the world continues to turn in their death grip of hellish socialist greed. -- All the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation, John Adams |
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"Bill Sornson" tapped the mic and amongst other things,
said, "Is this on?" : sam booka wrote: landotter tapped the mic and amongst other things, said, "Is this on?" news:0e77fc98-1027-4960-906b-e38d5cdae982 @d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com: The only ones left with any credibility are the skeptics. Credibility? You gain credibility if you have evidence. It's not a place you default to because you think someone else stepped over the service line. When you collect evidence not even accurate to a meter, then use it to support your millimeter level hypothesis, then get caught in not just one lie but a series of lies and cover-ups over it, that isn't supposed to make any reasonable man, regardless of their location, skeptical? Bzzt. "Reasonable" is out the window with GroundRat and the rest of his GWA fundies. HTH Ground'RAT... Now that's fzckin' hilarious. -- All the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation, John Adams |
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