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"audiophile" cables even a skeptic might like (a shameless plug -- ar, ar)
On 14 Oct 2008 09:20:23 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote: I've generally felt B&O products are overpriced. (Their new self-adjusting speakers are supposed to be very good, but they're not the sort of product I'd own.) Much as I have disliked B&O products, I have to give them credit for actually putting money into actual research, not just into product development. They are probably the only home stereo companies out there that is funding any actual research in the audio community, and that's a good thing. --scott I've liked some of them and disliked others. They certainly are innovative however and the construction, at least for the older stuff seemed solid enough. Tandberg was another manufacturer that made under rated gear IMHO. Today you can barely find any stores that sell high end audio. At one time NYC was loaded to the gills with them. -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ Please Visit www.linsux.org |
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:32:48 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan wrote:
John Connors wrote: Were there differences in the equipment? Sure. Could most people hear them? Nope. Could some people hear them? Yep. Was that actually proved properly? Nope. In the typical hi end audio store, probably not because of conditions and the bias of the sales people, known as commission... However in the wild..... Yea it has been. I went to an AES conference way back when, and they had a panel of "golden eared" people as well as some audiophile enthusiasts. The purpose was to examine high end cables compared to normal wire. They used double blind with an AB comparator for level matching etc.... A set of automobile jumper cables was thrown in, unknown to the participants. If I recall correctly the jumper cables won, by a small, yet statistically valid margin.... Does this mean they were *better* ? No. What does better mean? Who knows. I subscribe to the Julian Hirsch theory that if it sounds different it *can* be measured, but only 99.9 percent so..... I do believe there is a 0.1 percent of *things* that some people can hear differences with, consistently, but yet that can't be measured by current standards. This is really a meta or uber argument because the definition of different doesn't mean better or worse. There is always a subjective component involved unless you are simply piping waveforms down a cable and measuring ins and outs. -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ Please Visit www.linsux.org |
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On 14 Oct 2008 16:06:23 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Moshe Goldfarb. wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:35:35 GMT, Mike Rivers wrote: Or go down to the local drug store and use the *tube tester* ! I remember my father cussing and swearing at that thing. Even as a kid, I was convinced the thing was rigged to read "bad" even when some tubes were fine. They were, for the most part. The cheap testers in stores were just emission testers, not real transconductance testers, and they tended to be calibrated a bit in that range. On the other hand, some tube failures (especially of conventional pentodes) can leave you with good emission on the tester but tubes that don't actually work. --scott Yea...years later when I became an engineer (they still taught tubes then) I learned all the ins and outs of how things worked. Still over the years, one thing always baffled me. We had back then a XAM (EJ Korvettes house brand I believe) BW TV set and we would go away every summer on vacation for 2 months and the TV was left home and not used. Without fail, when we got home, the TV would not work and some *oddball tube*, my fathers words, amongst others, would be cracked, physically. He had to travel half way across NYC to get a replacement. I never did figure that one out. -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ Please Visit www.linsux.org |
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"Moshe Goldfarb." wrote in message ... On 14 Oct 2008 09:20:23 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote: William Sommerwerck wrote: Today you can barely find any stores that sell high end audio. At one time NYC was loaded to the gills with them. och, all we know with avenue (in NYC) u going, but we know another countrys too. :-} -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ Please Visit www.linsux.org |
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"Moshe Goldfarb." wrote in message
... I subscribe to the Julian Hirsch theory that if it sounds different it *can* be measured, but only 99.9 percent so..... I do believe there is a 0.1 percent of *things* that some people can hear differences with, consistently, but yet that can't be measured by current standards. And it's often the effort to explain the "unexplainable" differences people hear that leads to new and useful measurements. Peace, Paul |
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:40:24 -0400, Bob wrote:
"Moshe Goldfarb." wrote in message ... On 14 Oct 2008 09:20:23 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote: William Sommerwerck wrote: Today you can barely find any stores that sell high end audio. At one time NYC was loaded to the gills with them. och, all we know with avenue (in NYC) u going, but we know another countrys too. :-} Hahahha! Point taken! -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ Please Visit www.linsux.org |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:26:53 GMT, Paul Stamler wrote:
"Moshe Goldfarb." wrote in message ... I subscribe to the Julian Hirsch theory that if it sounds different it *can* be measured, but only 99.9 percent so..... I do believe there is a 0.1 percent of *things* that some people can hear differences with, consistently, but yet that can't be measured by current standards. And it's often the effort to explain the "unexplainable" differences people hear that leads to new and useful measurements. Peace, Paul Yes it does, and that;s where my .1 percent comes into play!! -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ Please Visit www.linsux.org |
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Paul Stamler wrote:
"Moshe Goldfarb." wrote in message ... I subscribe to the Julian Hirsch theory that if it sounds different it *can* be measured, but only 99.9 percent so..... I do believe there is a 0.1 percent of *things* that some people can hear differences with, consistently, but yet that can't be measured by current standards. And it's often the effort to explain the "unexplainable" differences people hear that leads to new and useful measurements. The first useful experiment is to see if the 'unexplainable' difference survives a double-blind listening test. -- -S A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume, "On Miracles" (1748) |
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