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Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar?
Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? -- Serge Stodolnik. Production Music for Film/advertisement/production libraries/multimedia/web sites. http://www.subverted.com http://www.myspace.com/stodolnik E-MAIL: sergestodolnik@NO SPAM tx.rr.com |
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my only experience is with the akg 419 (i think). Don't use it for
critical studio recording, but blended with an undersaddle pickup it works very well. Greg at Pendulum audio has a good blender for it. The problem is mounting it securely and finding good placement. THe other thing is that, well, it sounds like the inside of the guitar. But for lightly blending with a pickup it definitely gives some woody depth to the amplified signal. My only experience with this is nylon string btw. Nate On Feb 3, 11:30 pm, "Serge Stodolnik" wrote: Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? -- Serge Stodolnik. Production Music for Film/advertisement/production libraries/multimedia/web sites.http://www.subverted.comhttp://www.m....com/stodolnik E-MAIL: sergestodolnik@NO SPAM tx.rr.com |
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"Serge Stodolnik" wrote in message
. .. Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? Not condenser, but this http://deeaa.pp.fi/elderlywoman.mp3 I recorded by just sticking an old AKG lapel mic inside the guitar so that the lapel clip held it inside the soundhole with the capsule pointing up toward the strings. It's good enough for demo recordings and reinforcing other sound. |
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On Feb 3, 11:30 pm, "Serge Stodolnik"
wrote: Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? I've seen a number of good sounding performing rigs with a Countryman or DPA omni mounted inside. It takes a really good mic and a little EQ to get something that sounds like an acoustic guitar. Spend enough money on the mic and time in finding the right place to put it and you can approach the sound of a decent small diaphragm condenser mic outside, but with less risk of feedback. For recording, I'd always use a conventional mic position, and, if there's a mic inside or a pickup, listen to what happens when adding a bit of that in with the external mic. |
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On 3 Feb 2007 22:48:31 -0800, "Nate Najar" wrote:
my only experience is with the akg 419 (i think). Don't use it for critical studio recording, but blended with an undersaddle pickup it works very well. Greg at Pendulum audio has a good blender for it. The problem is mounting it securely and finding good placement. THe other thing is that, well, it sounds like the inside of the guitar. What does that sound like? I've never been inside a guitar. |
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Serge Stodolnik wrote:
Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Yes. It sounds funny, but sometimes can work as an addition to a pickup. It's all body sound, though. Lots of low end, no string attack. Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? Everybody uses an omni. It really won't matter much, though, since everything is omni down at the bottom end and there isn't much top end inside the body. This is a thing people do when they need isolation at all cost, as for PA applications. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar?
I assume this is a joke, but if it isn't, be sure the mic is "tied down" so
it can't rattle. This would be paticularly bad if the performer likes to slap or bang the instrument. I also assume you are miking just the guitar, not the performer's voice as well. Using two mics in this way would introduce all sorts of acoustic problems. |
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On Feb 3, 11:30 pm, "Serge Stodolnik"
wrote: Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? -- Serge Stodolnik. Production Music for Film/advertisement/production libraries/multimedia/web sites.http://www.subverted.comhttp://www.m....com/stodolnik E-MAIL: sergestodolnik@NO SPAM tx.rr.com For mic'ing flamenco guitar, some use a plastic foam disc cut to friction fit into the soundhole. The mic is embedded in the foam facing towards the treble strings and aimed towards the upper bout. The foam reduces the chance of feedback and can be twisted to aim the mic for better sound. |
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Serge Stodolnik wrote:
Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? -- Serge Stodolnik. Production Music for Film/advertisement/production libraries/multimedia/web sites. http://www.subverted.com http://www.myspace.com/stodolnik E-MAIL: sergestodolnik@NO SPAM tx.rr.com snip It'll be very very boomy. I tried a Radio Shack capsule in the upper bout once, but it had a very wonky frequency response at the resonant frequency of the body. If it is *remotely* possible, go get a K&K Western/ Pure Western pickup set put in. It's quite a bit cheaper than a good microphone ( and has less-than-perfect sound ) but the tracks from one so far are useable in a mix, and they work well live. K&K offers the Trinity systems, but I can't figure out what the mic is good for. The guy who put the Ultra Pure Western on my guitar says "guitar percussion." Dunno. They feed back easily. -- Les Cargill |
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"Serge Stodolnik" wrote in message
. .. Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? I've been using, of all things, an omni miniature condenser from Radio Shack in my guitar for about ten years. It's attached to the brace under the fingerboard, with the microphone directly under the high E string, attached by sticky goo (3M Strip-Calk). The mic's battery pack is attached by Velcro to the inside back of the guitar, under the soundhole, so I can reach in to turn it on and off, or detach it to change batteries. The wire is connected to an endpin jack. I use a 1/4" - XLR adapter with pin 2 connected to tip and pin 3 connected to sleeve, nothing connected to pin 1. I swiped the method and placement from Martin Carthy, because we have similar guitars (his a 000-18, mine a 00-18). It gives something of a "smile" curve but it works well and can be EQd reasonably flat. The more recent mini-mics from the Shack have more of a high-frequency peak and I don't know how well they'd work, but they're so cheap you should try one out. Placement is critical, though; move the mic under the B string instead of the high E and it sounds godawful, like it's been run through a phase-shifter. Attaching the mic to the brace is crucial; I first tried isolating it with Velcro and it sounded awful. One of the secrets is conduction. Peace, Paul |
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Paul Stamler wrote:
"Serge Stodolnik" wrote in message . .. Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? I've been using, of all things, an omni miniature condenser from Radio Shack in my guitar for about ten years. It's attached to the brace under the fingerboard, with the microphone directly under the high E string, attached by sticky goo (3M Strip-Calk). The mic's battery pack is attached by Velcro to the inside back of the guitar, under the soundhole, so I can reach in to turn it on and off, or detach it to change batteries. The wire is connected to an endpin jack. I use a 1/4" - XLR adapter with pin 2 connected to tip and pin 3 connected to sleeve, nothing connected to pin 1. I swiped the method and placement from Martin Carthy, because we have similar guitars (his a 000-18, mine a 00-18). It gives something of a "smile" curve but it works well and can be EQd reasonably flat. The more recent mini-mics from the Shack have more of a high-frequency peak and I don't know how well they'd work, but they're so cheap you should try one out. Placement is critical, though; move the mic under the B string instead of the high E and it sounds godawful, like it's been run through a phase-shifter. Attaching the mic to the brace is crucial; I first tried isolating it with Velcro and it sounded awful. One of the secrets is conduction. How is it oriented at the attachment point? Peace, Paul -- Les Cargill |
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Willie K. Yee, MD wrote:
On 3 Feb 2007 22:48:31 -0800, "Nate Najar" wrote: my only experience is with the akg 419 (i think). Don't use it for critical studio recording, but blended with an undersaddle pickup it works very well. Greg at Pendulum audio has a good blender for it. The problem is mounting it securely and finding good placement. THe other thing is that, well, it sounds like the inside of the guitar. What does that sound like? It sounds unlike what we appreciate about the sound of a guitar. A closely mounted external mic works much better. I've never been inside a guitar. Maybe you need a bigger guitar? -- ha "Iraq" is Arabic for "Vietnam" |
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Les Cargill wrote:
Paul Stamler wrote: "Serge Stodolnik" wrote in message . .. Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? I've been using, of all things, an omni miniature condenser from Radio Shack in my guitar for about ten years. It's attached to the Attaching the mic to the brace is crucial; I first tried isolating it with Velcro and it sounded awful. One of the secrets is conduction. How is it oriented at the attachment point? The Fishman one mounts on a integral gooseneck, which can be position-adjusted for best sound . You can also blend between the mic and a piezo. geoff |
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"Les Cargill" wrote in message
... I've been using, of all things, an omni miniature condenser from Radio Shack in my guitar for about ten years. It's attached to the brace under the fingerboard, with the microphone directly under the high E string, attached by sticky goo (3M Strip-Calk). The mic's battery pack is attached by Velcro to the inside back of the guitar, under the soundhole, so I can reach in to turn it on and off, or detach it to change batteries. The wire is connected to an endpin jack. I use a 1/4" - XLR adapter with pin 2 connected to tip and pin 3 connected to sleeve, nothing connected to pin 1. I swiped the method and placement from Martin Carthy, because we have similar guitars (his a 000-18, mine a 00-18). It gives something of a "smile" curve but it works well and can be EQd reasonably flat. The more recent mini-mics from the Shack have more of a high-frequency peak and I don't know how well they'd work, but they're so cheap you should try one out. Placement is critical, though; move the mic under the B string instead of the high E and it sounds godawful, like it's been run through a phase-shifter. Attaching the mic to the brace is crucial; I first tried isolating it with Velcro and it sounded awful. One of the secrets is conduction. How is it oriented at the attachment point? Parallel to the brace, pointing at the lower strings (upwards as seen from the front, if you could see through wood). Peace, Paul |
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Geoff wrote:
Les Cargill wrote: Paul Stamler wrote: "Serge Stodolnik" wrote in message om... Anybody had any experience with placing Condenser mic inside acoustic guitar? Which capsule? Omni or unidirectional? I've been using, of all things, an omni miniature condenser from Radio Shack in my guitar for about ten years. It's attached to the Attaching the mic to the brace is crucial; I first tried isolating it with Velcro and it sounded awful. One of the secrets is conduction. How is it oriented at the attachment point? The Fishman one mounts on a integral gooseneck, which can be position-adjusted for best sound . You can also blend between the mic and a piezo. geoff At least that's an improvement over the old internal mic they sold years back, with the foil covering. The K&K Trinity is similar to that. -- Les Cargill |
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