I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

-brian

Audio Technica 4050

....Paul

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"Brian Huether" wrote in message
...
I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

-brian

Brian Huether wrote:
I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

None, really. You really don't want anything with an etched top end there.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

dynamic. shure sm57 right up on the cab.
if you really want to use a condenser, you can have one to capture the sound
of the "room" but this is not necessary.
"Brian Huether" wrote in message
...
I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

-brian

Brian Huether wrote:

I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

-brian

I'd start with dynamics. The Marshall V67 works pretty well on clean
electric, but it's a little detailed on the top for fuzzy geetar.

--
Les Cargill

Paul Bawol wrote:

Audio Technica 4050

I second that. Depends on your budget though. On the advise of Ty Ford,
I replaced mine with the Gefell M900 and it is great on my guitar
cabinet. But it cost about twice that of the 4050.
-Rob

http://www.gprime.com/html/microphones/m900.html

Brian Huether wrote:

I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

ISTR Ty recommending the Microtech-Gefell M900, especially when paired
with the Amek 9098i.

Blue Baby Bottle

Jim

Brian Huether wrote:

I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

-brian

Blue Dragonfly.

Peace,
Paul

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message ...
Brian Huether wrote:
I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

None, really. You really don't want anything with an etched top end there.
--scott


I noticed that the stones were micing guitar amps with LDC's that
looked like they might have been 4050's. That was on the recent HBO
concert. Anyone know what those mics were?

Tom

As some mentioned non large diaphram condensors, don't forget the Royer ribbon.
Great for guitar.


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as far as large diagphram mics go I like 4050's for guitar
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From: (EggHd)
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
Date: 29 Oct 2003 21:46:17 GMT
Subject: Large Diaphram Condenser for Electric Guitar?

As some mentioned non large diaphram condensors, don't forget the Royer
ribbon.
Great for guitar.


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(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message ...
Brian Huether wrote:
I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

None, really. You really don't want anything with an etched top end there.
--scott


Hey Scott, don't tell George Martin that....

I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

U-47fet.

IMO, anyway.

NeilH

In Article , Rob Adelman
wrote:


Paul Bawol wrote:

Audio Technica 4050

I second that. Depends on your budget though. On the advise of Ty Ford,
I replaced mine with the Gefell M900 and it is great on my guitar
cabinet. But it cost about twice that of the 4050.
-Rob

http://www.gprime.com/html/microphones/m900.html


AHA! But which mic pre were you using!!?? And, wasn't the sound you got
approximately 2x as impressive as the AT4050?

Regards,

Ty Ford

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In Article , Kurt Albershardt
wrote:
Brian Huether wrote:

I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

ISTR Ty recommending the Microtech-Gefell M900, especially when paired
with the Amek 9098i.

You do and Rob A. has attested that he too has heard the "magic" I was
referring to.

Regards,

Ty Ford




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I don't know, Scott....The Lin6 PODxt has a U67 model to put on it's speaker models.

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Brian Huether wrote:

I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.


None, really. You really don't want anything with an etched top end there.
--scott

I agree with Paul,
The dragonfly has worked great for me on numerous sessions for
tracking and guitar overdubs.
Chris
Wavetrap



(P Stamler) wrote in message ...
Blue Dragonfly.

Peace,
Paul

Ty Ford wrote:


AHA! But which mic pre were you using!!?? And, wasn't the sound you got
approximately 2x as impressive as the AT4050?

Regards,

Ty Ford

I had the Amek for a while. But I settled on the John Hardy. Never did
get to try the 4050 through the John Hardy, though.

The Gefell 2 X the AT? Hard to say, but it does have more depth and
better tone. Wonderful microphone.

In article , Tom Paul
wrote:

I noticed that the stones were micing guitar amps with LDC's that
looked like they might have been 4050's. That was on the recent HBO
concert. Anyone know what those mics were?

I'm sure they were made by the highest bidder!

--
Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN 615.385.8051
Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
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Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:51:25 +0100, "Brian Huether"
wrote:

I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

-brian


Don't. I've never heard anything more disgusting in front of a heavy
guitar(amp). Stick with an SM57. If you want a larger diaphragm mic,
try an MD421. The 57 does magical things to the harmonic content of a
guitar amp's sound. You do not want anything delicate sounding and/or
too transparent there.

Edvard Puskaric wrote:


Don't. I've never heard anything more disgusting in front of a heavy
guitar(amp).

Wow, thanks. I didn't realize I have been doing it wrong for the last 20
plus years.

Wow, thanks. I didn't realize I have been doing it wrong for the last 20
plus years.

To be fair (and I don't know about the other poster) you pretty much record
your guitar as a hobby.



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EggHd wrote:

Wow, thanks. I didn't realize I have been doing it wrong for the last 20
plus years.

To be fair (and I don't know about the other poster) you pretty much record
your guitar as a hobby.

Well I can tell the sound of a well recorded guitar. And it can be with
a LDC as well as dynamics, ribbons etc. You aren't saying that great
"professional" guitar tracks on records have never been recorded with a
large diaphram condenser, are you?

EggHd wrote:


To be fair (and I don't know about the other poster) you pretty much record
your guitar as a hobby.

I didn't realize that made my opinion invalid. I'll keep that in mind.

You aren't saying that great
"professional" guitar tracks on records have never been recorded with a
large diaphram condenser, are you?

Nope.



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I didn't realize that made my opinion invalid. I'll keep that in mind.

It doesn't make your opinion invalid. But when you make a statement saying "I
guess I've been wrong for 20 years" it's a bit misleading to me.



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EggHd wrote:
I didn't realize that made my opinion invalid. I'll keep that in mind.

It doesn't make your opinion invalid. But when you make a statement saying "I
guess I've been wrong for 20 years" it's a bit misleading to me.


Maybe you are reading too much into it? I have been monitoring and
recording electric guitar amps through many types of microphones for
about 25 years and have typically preferred LDC's. And I feel I have a
good ear for this stuff even if I don't have gold records to prove it.

I responding to a statement that said: "I've never heard anything more
disgusting in front of a heavy guitar(amp)". Though he has a right to
that opinion, I would gather that many pro's and non-pro's alike would
disagree with that opinion. I'm one of them.

And I feel I have a
good ear for this stuff even if I don't have gold records to prove it.

Look, I don't want to start an argument and maybe I shouldn't have commented.
But this is another weird statement to me. Gold records or not, you don't have
clients or releases. You record your own guitar in your own home studio.

"I've never heard anything more
disgusting in front of a heavy guitar(amp)".

And I said that I didn't know what that poster's experience was either. Who
knows what they meant by heavy guitar? It may mean death metal sounds.

Though he has a right to
that opinion, I would gather that many pro's and non-pro's alike would
disagree with that opinion. I'm one of them.

And I 100% agree with that, but I still say that the response that you gave was
very misleading.




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EggHd wrote:


Look, I don't want to start an argument and maybe I shouldn't have commented.

Right. I never claimed any credentials. Usenet info is free, and buyer
beware.

But this is another weird statement to me. Gold records or not, you don't have
clients or releases.

Well I have had some clients paying and not paying over the years. Never
recorded a guitarist that didn't end up telling me it was the best sound
anyone ever recorded for him/her. Your right, I haven't had any
commercial releases.

You record your own guitar in your own home studio.

See above.

"I've never heard anything more
disgusting in front of a heavy guitar(amp)".

That doesn't sound like a pro. Pretty misleading, huh?


And I 100% agree with that, but I still say that the response that you gave was
very misleading.

I figured..

I never claimed any credentials. Usenet info is free, and buyer
beware.

Of course.

Never
recorded a guitarist that didn't end up telling me it was the best sound
anyone ever recorded for him/her.

That could mean a lot of things. I don't know if anyone has come to me and
said that I have captured the best guitar sound they have ever had, so you got
me there. But I can't be sure the guitarists we have both recorded have them
same expectations.

Your right, I haven't had any
commercial releases.

Again, it shouldn't matter. I was just commenting on your not having a gold
record. It's not easy to get one without a commercial release.

"I've never heard anything more
disgusting in front of a heavy guitar(amp)".

That doesn't sound like a pro. Pretty misleading, huh?

Can't tell.



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I like the Dragonfly too. It's marvellous on a clean fender-type amp sound.
However, it usually covers more acoustic sources for me.

The Baby Bottle is doing great things for me on amp cabinets.

I've come to really like the V67g for roomy I-wish-I-was-Jimmy-Page sounds lately.

-dave
www.themoodrings.com (green ring = sounds)

(Chris Seifert) wrote in message . com...
I agree with Paul,
The dragonfly has worked great for me on numerous sessions for
tracking and guitar overdubs.
Chris
Wavetrap



(P Stamler) wrote in message ...
Blue Dragonfly.

Peace,
Paul

In Article , Edvard
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:51:25 +0100, "Brian Huether"
wrote:

I was wondering what is considered a good large diaphram condenser for
recording heavy electric guitar.

-brian


Don't. I've never heard anything more disgusting in front of a heavy
guitar(amp). Stick with an SM57. If you want a larger diaphragm mic,
try an MD421. The 57 does magical things to the harmonic content of a
guitar amp's sound. You do not want anything delicate sounding and/or
too transparent there.


It very much depends on the mic and preamp. I believe I read that the stones
have been using 4050 on cabs.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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In Article ,
(EggHd) wrote:
"I've never heard anything more
disgusting in front of a heavy guitar(amp)".

That doesn't sound like a pro. Pretty misleading, huh?

Can't tell.

I can. That person has obviously never heard a good LDC in front of a good
amp. The comment was either naive or inflammatory, or both. That it pitted
the two of your against each other is regrettable.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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I can. That person has obviously never heard a good LDC in front of a good
amp.

That could be. They may have a crappy guitar, amp and style that doesn't sound
right with an LDC.

The comment was either naive or inflammatory, or both.

As I found the response to be.

That it pitted
the two of your against each other is regrettable.

To which I admitted in a post.



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EggHd wrote:


The comment was either naive or inflammatory, or both.

As I found the response to be.

But that isn't what you said. If I had a professional track record,
would that have made my response not inflammatory in your opinion?

But that isn't what you said. If I had a professional track record,
would that have made my response not inflammatory in your opinion?

Regarding being naive? Yes. Inflammatory? If you were insinuating that you
had 20 years of success recording guitar, yes.





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In Article ,
(EggHd) wrote:
But that isn't what you said. If I had a professional track record,
would that have made my response not inflammatory in your opinion?

Regarding being naive? Yes. Inflammatory? If you were insinuating that you
had 20 years of success recording guitar, yes.

Guys, don't make me come in there!!


Ty

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EggHd wrote:

But that isn't what you said. If I had a professional track record,
would that have made my response not inflammatory in your opinion?

Regarding being naive? Yes. Inflammatory? If you were insinuating that you
had 20 years of success recording guitar, yes.

Ok, fair enough. If your definition of success is only determined by
revenue created (which seems to be a theme with you). Perhaps you could
qualify that with (financial) success. Then again I have heard plenty of
hugely "successful" records with some rotten sounding guitars.

Someone could have hugely successful results recording a song and yet
not have any success selling the record for reasons that have nothing to
do with the quality of the recording.

Guys, don't make me come in there!!

Are we there yet? How much longer? Rob's hitting me for no reason........



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