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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:20:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
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For openers Weil, name a specific public elementary school book store that
currently sells the Bible. This used to be done, but the liberal ACLU has
and surely would put a stop to it were it to become known.

Ironic that what started this subthread was an attempt to ban the mention
of
a certain religious figure from this newsgroup.


It was not an attempt to ban the mention of Jesus in RAO, it was an attempt
to
pursuade one person from declaring, in RAO, his status as son of God as
Absolute Truth.




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Matt said:

the fact that Jesus is Lord

puke

You actually believe Jesus's mommy got pregnant by an "act of God"?


If they had planned parenthood back then she wouldn't have had to lie about
it.




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You have no idea what Jesus might have said. All you
have read is what someone else said that Jesus said,

The same can be said of all of us on almost every subject.

and you are not reading it in the same language as it
was written.

Don't be too sure about that.

Have you ecery seen the Movie "History of the World,
Part One"? Remember the scene about the Fifiteen
Commandments?

:^)

Ah, but you've never heard His voice.

Nor have you.

Are you sure or are you making that statement on faith?

"Andrew M." wrote in message
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I am an atheist...and I don't appreciate people making ridiculous,
unsubstantiated, unscientific proclamations about fairy tales as
reality. Believe what you will, but why should I pretend that your
imaginary friends exist?


.....because Arny is too insane to have real friends.




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Marc Phillips wrote:

Lionel said:


I understan, for me you are "LOL" every day. But I'm sure that for your
your colleagues and your wife you aren't !


No, you're not sure at all. You're guessing. That's why your insults are weak
and usually ignored.


LOL !


The French have never really been that funny, have they.

Boon

Are they really ignored ?
Thanks God ! I was afraid that they could be inventory up to my judgment
day.

LOL !

PS : I am a "special" one

You actually believe Jesus's mommy got pregnant by an "act of God"?

Yup.

....actually, I am sure you could be quite happy with either receiver. In
that price range I doubt that there are any significant differences between
the Denon and the Yamaha.

Randy
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"Andrew M." wrote in message
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I am an atheist...and I don't appreciate people making ridiculous,
unsubstantiated, unscientific proclamations about fairy tales as
reality. Believe what you will, but why should I pretend that your
imaginary friends exist?


....because Arny is too insane to have real friends.




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Five and a half hours later the doctor came out to tell us that the surgery
was a success. They had removed all of the cancer from my brother's brain.
It wasn't ganglion so they got it all in one operation. The bad news was
that the brain cancer was secondary; that his body was full of the disease.
We cried but still trusted God as best we could. I must admit that my faith
isn't as strong as some. I believed God but I had lingering doubts. Not
everyone is healed and very few are ever healed of fourth stage cancer.

Jesus never performed surgery, nor recommended drugs, exercise, diet, etc. Nor
did his disciples.

If God had healed your brother, the doctor would have opened his skull and found
nothing that needed operating on.

Doctors do not do God's work, nor do they ever act according to His will.
Indeed, they act in a manner contradictory to everything Jesus taught and
practiced.

God does not need human beings to do His work.

Please think about this. If I were a jew or muslim, and
you say that you will pray to jesus for me, that is an insult.

Not at all, friend. If you were a Muslim and you said you would pray to
Allah for me I would thank you -- not because I agree with Islam but because
you expressed a desire that good things come my way.

It is a blatant slap to my beliefs...

Only if you are very unsure of thoise beliefs would it seem so.

I don't need you or anyone else praying to jesus for me.
Do you understand this or are you completely brainwashed
by your beliefs.

I remember telling someone almost the same thing a few decades ago. He
prayed for me anyway.

Robert L. Bass said:

You can dismiss it all as luck, medical treatment or whatever you like. My
brother asked his doctor what he thought had happened. He said, "It's a
miracle. You were healed."

Idiot.

There are no absolute truths (except that Jesus is Lord). That has no
statement of your personal experience. You state it to be an absolute
truth, not a personal truth. What more need be said. You can waffle
and change the goalposts all you want. My argument is with your
initial statement.

It sounds more like your *real* argument is with Jesus.

Read my other posts, and you'll find I have no problem with
Christians...

As long as we keep our mouths shut, right?

I have a problem with those who have the audacity to state
their beliefs as an absolute truth.

You state yours with equal certitude. Shouldn't I also take offense?

That you wish to believe in it is fine, that you wish to
define it as an absolute truth is not, as it is not.

Sorry, but I don't know any way to say it other than as an absolute truth.

I can only say that I made a decision to believe many years ago and the
results were nothing less than spectacular. For me that is proof enough.
Note, however, that the proof is a result of a decision to believe -- not
the other way around.

And this defines Jesus is Lord as an absolute truth in exactly what
way??

Like I said before, understanding of truth comes *after* the decision to
exercise faith. There's no way to prove that which requires faith even to
be seen.

Robert L. Bass said:

You actually believe Jesus's mommy got pregnant by an "act of God"?

Yup.

I wasn't asking you, but your Idiot Credentials are sterling, so there
was no real need for you to answer.

Naah. One can be an idiot with or without faith.

Yeaaah. You claim you made big changes in your life, and you're a big
idiot now, so there's at least a chance you weren't an idiot before.

I'd like to add that your idiotic proclamations about JEE-zus aren't
insulting to some of us. They're embarrassing. I can't imagine how you
people function with half the people you know thinking you're idiots.

Not many people who actually know me make that assessment. I won't bore you
with foolish boasting about IQ, SAT scores and such. I'll also refrain from
insulting your intelligence just because I disagree with you.

The most excruciating encounter I can remember with one
of you is at a housewarming party a few years ago.

One of [us]? What makes you think that all Christians have much in common
with the character you describe?

A friend of the move-ins asked...
--- snip ---

Lionel said:

PS : I am a "special" one


In the U.S., calling someone "special" has an entirely different, yet
stunningly apt, connotation.

Boon

Marc Phillips wrote:

Lionel said:


PS : I am a "special" one



In the U.S., calling someone "special" has an entirely different, yet
stunningly apt, connotation.

Boon


It applies, no matter, I don't care.

Whom _do_ you consider legitimate (if anyone)? I'm not talking about MDs.

Probably no one you've heard about. I don't put much stock in TV preachers
or other self-appointed leaders. There's a preacher in a church I used to
attend in Connecticut who showed himself honest and never did anything I
know of to take advantage of anyone else.

There's a man I worked with as a pridson outreach volunteer for over six
years who spent much of his free time serving the lowest dregs of society,
looking for the few who actually wanted to change enough to make a sincere
try. When he had to retire due to health reasons I was appointed director
of the outreach in his stead. I loved the work but I never fealt as though
I could fill his shoes. One day I was chatting with him about how I fealt
and he said, "They're not my shoes."

I know an 82-year-old great grandmother who has spent a lifetime helping
others and still does volunteer work two days a week helping the homeless.
I'd rather spend time under the tutelage of folks like these than the likes
of Jerry Fallwell and Jimmy Swaggart.

I've worked on stage and in support roles at huge concerts where the top
Christian rock groups from all over the world came to play. In the process
I met some folks who were so full of themselves that they had obviously
forgotten the children who came to hear their message. I also saw the
leader of one of the top bands take time out to share his faith with a small
group of pre-teen children. More significantly, I saw doctors, teachers,
nurses, policeman and housewives spending their vacation time working hard
to create an opportunity for children to hear the message that Someone loves
them. These people impress me more than any TV big shot I can think of.

BTW, a few years ago I volunteered when the Graham crusade came to Hartford,
CT. By chance I was asked one night to watch the access area to the
dressing rooms at the civic center auditorium. When Reverend Graham arrived
I greeted him and was pleasantly surprised to have him take a couple of
minutes to ask me about myself, my family and my faith. I always liked him.
I was deeply saddened when he made a public statement a while back that I
could not support.

...actually, I am sure you could be quite happy with either receiver. In
that price range I doubt that there are any significant differences
between
the Denon and the Yamaha.

I think you're right. Most mid-priced amps sound like most mid-priced amps.
The rest is just whistles, bells and connections. I've been using the
RXV3000 for a couple of years and I enjoy it immensely. I also like my
Martin-Logans a lot. But my brother's Thiels sound better.

Five and a half hours later the doctor came out to tell us that the
surgery
was a success. They had removed all of the cancer from my brother's
brain.
It wasn't ganglion so they got it all in one operation. The bad news was
that the brain cancer was secondary; that his body was full of the
disease.
We cried but still trusted God as best we could. I must admit that my
faith
isn't as strong as some. I believed God but I had lingering doubts. Not
everyone is healed and very few are ever healed of fourth stage cancer.

Jesus never performed surgery, nor recommended drugs, exercise, diet, etc.
Nor
did his disciples.

You're wrong about that. If you send me a private e-mail I'll show you
examples of each. Bear in mind that the term, "surgery" has evolved
somewhat from its original meaning.

If God had healed your brother, the doctor would have
opened his skull and found nothing that needed operating on.

Sometimes God does things one way. Sometimes another. We don't get to
choose.

Doctors do not do God's work, nor do they ever act according
to His will.

You're welcome to believe that if you like.

Indeed, they act in a manner contradictory to everything
Jesus taught and practiced.

Some do. Some don't.

God does not need human beings to do His work.

That's not what the Bible teaches.

In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

Langis said:

An insane chinese-whisper,

A what?



http://www.geocities.com/torschulz/list.htm#Post

"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message
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You have no idea what Jesus might have said. All you
have read is what someone else said that Jesus said,

The same can be said of all of us on almost every subject.

You make my point!!!!!!!


and you are not reading it in the same language as it
was written.

Don't be too sure about that.


Until you show me otherwise

Have you ecery seen the Movie "History of the World,
Part One"? Remember the scene about the Fifiteen
Commandments?

:^)

What else was left out, changed or stuck in there by mortal man?




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MiNE 109 wrote:
In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:


Langis said:


An insane chinese-whisper,

A what?




http://www.geocities.com/torschulz/list.htm#Post

Do you really think that he will better understand ?

"Robert L. Bass" wrote in message
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Ah, but you've never heard His voice.

Nor have you.

Are you sure or are you making that statement on faith?



Robert may very well be hearing a voice in his head.
However, no one is talking to him.




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Here is a better question for you all. It's pretty basic, so see how you
go...

Q. Where the **** is a forum moderator when you need him?

Here's a question for you Matt. It's pretty basic, so see how you go..

Q. Where the **** is God when you need him?




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Q. Where the **** is God when you need him?


Jesus just left Chicago




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and you are not reading it in the same language as it
was written.

Don't be too sure about that.

Until you show me otherwise

Sure thing.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/InterlinearBible/
http://www.studylight.org/isb/
http://www.blueletterbible.org/

There are other study aids online. AFAIK the Aramaic text is only available
in print.

You can dismiss it all as luck, medical treatment or whatever you like.
My brother asked his doctor what he thought had happened. He said,
"It's a miracle. You were healed."

Your doctor knows not whereof he speaks. There are no miracles. Miracles would
upset God's law.

Langis said:

An insane chinese-whisper,

A what?

I admit I'm poor at grammar. Learn me!

Never mind, Stephen posted a link that learned me.

Langis said:

An insane chinese-whisper,

A what?

Or is it that you have not encountered the phrase "chinese whisper"
before, as others imply?

Its like grammar is your fortay Sokcppupet "Lagnis". LOt"S! ;-)

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"dave weil" wrote in message


On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:20:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



For openers Weil, name a specific public elementary school book store
that
currently sells the Bible. This used to be done, but the liberal ACLU
has
and surely would put a stop to it were it to become known.

Ironic that what started this subthread was an attempt to ban the
mention
of
a certain religious figure from this newsgroup.


It was not an attempt to ban the mention of Jesus in RAO, it was an
attempt to
pursuade one person from declaring, in RAO, his status as son of God as
Absolute Truth.

Hair-splitting.

It was a bald-faced attempt to shout someone off the forum because he
expressessed something about his religious faith. His faith is in Jesus. It
was an attempt to keep someone from mentioning his faith in Jesus. It was an
attempt to keep Jesus from being mentioned.

"Andrew M." wrote in message
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Robert L. Bass wrote:

And Robert MUST have the last word....jesus is not my lord, nor the lord
of about 2/3 of the planet. You are using your faith as a reason to be
an idiot.


Naah. One can be an idiot with or without faith.


This is true, but I am specifically referring to you being an idiot with
it. You are like a child with a gun.

Is anybody else rolling on the floor gasping due to the amount of
exagerration being used here?

You should live your life
encompassing the entire christain philosophy, not just what you find
convenient to make your point.

Here we go again - people who hate the mention of Jesus trying to tell
followers of Jesus how to live. If irony killed...

Aren't you supposed to be humble, turning the other cheek and such.

The final Greg Singh-style flourish. Andrew essentially is saying: I can
beat you up and try to humiliate you in public because of your faith and my
fear and loathing of you and what you stand for, but you can't answer back
to me no matter how politely, because you're a Christian.

Lionel said:

Marc Phillips wrote:

Lionel said:


PS : I am a "special" one



In the U.S., calling someone "special" has an entirely different, yet
stunningly apt, connotation.

Boon


It applies, no matter, I don't care.

Q: What's better than winning the Special Olympics?

A: Not being retarded.

Boon

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Robert L. Bass said:

You actually believe Jesus's mommy got pregnant by an "act of God"?

Yup.

I wasn't asking you, but your Idiot Credentials are sterling, so there
was no real need for you to answer.

So Middius in which chapter of "How to Win Friends And Influence People" did
you discover this tactic?

Langis said:

I wasn't asking you, but your Idiot Credentials are sterling, so there
was no real need for you to answer.

So Middius in which chapter of "How to Win Friends And Influence People" did
you discover this tactic?

Oh boy...

I believe I was the first on RAO to suggest that Mr. **** do away with
himself. That should settle the popularity issue definitively.

What is about christians that make them think that other people want to hear
about their idiotic beliefs.

Another ****ing christian post child whose brain has been tapioka for so long
that he is incapable of getting a clue.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:21:31 -0500, Matt wrote:
nothing of interest to anybody sane

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"dave weil" wrote in message


On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:20:45 -0400, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:



For openers Weil, name a specific public elementary school book store
that
currently sells the Bible. This used to be done, but the liberal ACLU
has
and surely would put a stop to it were it to become known.

Ironic that what started this subthread was an attempt to ban the
mention
of
a certain religious figure from this newsgroup.


It was not an attempt to ban the mention of Jesus in RAO, it was an
attempt to
pursuade one person from declaring, in RAO, his status as son of God as
Absolute Truth.

Hair-splitting.

It was a bald-faced attempt to shout someone off the forum because he
expressessed something about his religious faith. His faith is in Jesus.
It
was an attempt to keep someone from mentioning his faith in Jesus. It was
an
attempt to keep Jesus from being mentioned.

The subject that was at hand when Robert made his utterence
was: Absolute Truth. The objection was that Jesus was presented
as Absolute Truth. Go back and read that post, and the post before
that, the one to which he responded. You will see. He said that there is no
Absolute Truth save Jesus.

What you don't get Arny, is the difference between faith and belief vs
Absolute Truth. There is no Absolute Truth about Jesus. It is a collection
of stories embellished over time, told by people who had certain
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Dickless Pustulizer whined:

What is about christians

You seem angry, Dickless. Perhaps you need to schedule another
amputation?

So Middius in which chapter of "How to Win Friends
And Influence People" did you discover this tactic?

I suspect it was my refusal to flame you and not my belief in Jesus that
inspired the gentleman's wrath.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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The final Greg Singh-style flourish. Andrew essentially is saying: I can
beat you up and try to humiliate you in public because of your faith and
my
fear and loathing of you and what you stand for, but you can't answer
back
to me no matter how politely, because you're a Christian.


Do you subscribe to Robert's style of Christianity?
Did God impregnate a woman and have a son?
Did Jesus have DNA?
Whos' DNA?
Does Jesus speak to you directly?




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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Robert L. Bass said:

You actually believe Jesus's mommy got pregnant by an "act of God"?

Yup.

I wasn't asking you, but your Idiot Credentials are sterling, so there
was no real need for you to answer.

So Middius in which chapter of "How to Win Friends And Influence People"
did
you discover this tactic?



Why would he want to be friends with such an idiot?




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