In , Clyde Slick wrote :


"Lionel" wrote in message
...
In , dave weil wrote :




LOL, I just know that you are proud to live in the capital of the
marshmallow music. :-D



I thought accordian 'music' came from your
neck of the woods.

Seems to me that it comes from Germany. To be verified.

In , dave weil wrote :

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:59:32 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote :

I had said "bloated midrange" in regard to the
speaker? Was it a lie or just a complete breakdown in memory?

Since that Dave have finally understood that we were speaking of the upper
midrange he has subtly censured the begining of his sentence... ;-)
Hey Dave where have disappeared the word : "bass/lower midrange".

"They certainly aren't "lean" in the upper bass/lower midrange. A little
bit "bloated""

Why do you feel obliged to lie about what you have written Dave ?
Is it such a big problem for you to recognize that you have hearing
problem ?
I cannot believe that you are placing your honor above your hearing. I'm
really sorry for you old man. :-D

It was YOU who wrote:

"LOL, you was just writing : "bloom in the midrange"

to start this whole thing off. THAT'S where "bass/lower midrange"
disappeared.

You are a *liar*. All along the thread I was speaking about range between 1
khz and 3 khz and you have done a lot of grotesque gesticulations to prove
me that you have noticed this problem.
1- You had the "intuition" of the flawn... Intuition ? why not use your
hearing ?
2- In the panic you have quoted different websites unfortunatly for you none
of them were about the incrimined drivers... LOL !
3- More recently you were repeating that you have perfectly noticed the
flawn and that you have described it speaking about "bloated midrange". An
other lie from you since in your review this qualificative applied to upper
bass and lower midrange.


Sorry old man, I'm out of this conversation since you are completely
lost.

I never requested any participation from you deaf man. My aim wasn't to drag
you in a controversy, I've just demonstrated to RAO participant that you
haven't noticed the *major* flawn in Trotsky's speakers.
I deduced that you have serious hearing problem in this range of frequency.

From this point you haven't stop to lie about your writing and it was very
funny/easy to force you to put your nose in your own stinky ****.
Thank you for playing. ;-)


Now back to your squalid little family.

Back to your lonesome pleasures... One pretends that this will not help you
to cure your hearing problem. :-D


Don't sorry, you'll be
a grandfather soon...

I love this idea. You ?


....Below more proofs of Dave Weil's unshame lies and deafness
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"They certainly aren't "lean" in the upper bass/lower midrange. A little bit
"bloated" if I can use a different phrase than the one I used in the review
(substitute for congested). But mainly with mateiral with a lot of energy
in that range. Classical and small combo jazz don't seem to be affected
very much."

Thankfully no jazz avoid carefully frequencies between 1 khz to 3 khz
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"The speaker, despite what I've previously written *is* well-balanced in
general. There are no glaring problems with the sound as you find in some
speakers. It's neither "thin-sounding" nor "boomy". I think that it
certainly approaches a lean, agile sound (unless you're playing loud rock
and roll, and still, certain types of rock and roll are well served - I'll
get into that later). The speakers are especially pleasing with brass and
cymbals/bells/chimes. The tweeters have bite without being biting or harsh.
The speakers image well. There's a coherence to the sound that was pleasing
to me. Voices and instruments were placed where I expected them to be
(within the room limitations that I've previously mentioned). With the
exception of the lack of deep bass, the speakers portray a reasonable sense
of "slam". Make no mistake though, these speakers WILL NOT reproduce a rock
concert realistically."

Nothing about the hole between 1 khz and 3 khz, Dave ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Another problem with the speakers is one that you would expect with a
two-way design. The upper bass/lower midrange gets blunted or a bit
"congested" somehow. You don't notice it as much with combo jazz or
classical but with rock and roll or things with substantial energy in
that region, the impact is lessened and things start sounding
cluttered."

Nothing about the hole between 1 khz and 3 khz, Dave ?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Do you need more Dave ? :-D

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
In , Clyde Slick wrote :


"Lionel" wrote in message
...
In , dave weil wrote :




LOL, I just know that you are proud to live in the capital of the
marshmallow music. :-D



I thought accordian 'music' came from your
neck of the woods.

Seems to me that it comes from Germany. To be verified.

Well, it could be France, Germany, Poland or Italy.
I don't know who did it first.
My intent was more a jab on your old accordian wars with Dave!

Arthur "Sackman" Tsechmeister wrote :


Seems to me that it comes from Germany. To be verified.

Well, it could be France, Germany, Poland or Italy.
I don't know who did it first.
My intent was more a jab on your old accordian wars with Dave!

Oh, you are speaking about this famous demonstration of Dave's googlin'
talents. ;-)
Dave Weil is the specialist of the blank and wasteful verbiage.
For example, watch his review of Trotsky speakers, 3 longs boring and
self-satisfying blah, blah, blah... All that to miss the only the main
characteristic : a hole in frequency in the very important area of the
upper midranges and low trebles.
Note just a -2 or -3 db, no !!! Nearly 2 octaves missing !!! You told me
that you are a musician Arthur, so guess that you understand what that
means.
It's about the same disaster than in the Windows Media equalizer, all the
****ty presets named "rock" "rap" "techno" "jazz"...
Damned, this Dave Weil, what a high-end connoisseur !!! :-D

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:51:48 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

Damned, this Dave Weil, what a high-end connoisseur !!! :-D

Thank you very much.

BTW, you were lying when you said that I claimed that I was a "very
good musician". I have NEVER claimed that. EVER. Because I'm not.

It's a shame that you've resorted to lying throughout this whole sorid
affair. First you claim that I attributed a "bloom in the midrange" to
Greg's speakers. Now you are reduced to making claims about MY claims
about my musicianship. I suggest that you try to mangle Google again
(since you seem to have problems with it, that shouldn't be hard).

Poor little poodle.

In , dave weil wrote :

First you claim that I attributed a "bloom in the midrange" to
Greg's speakers.

That's a typical lie from Dave Weil.
Since the "bloom in the midrange" has been written by Trotsky himself.

I just pretend that you didn't notice the dramatic gap in the 1 khz to 3 khz
during your review.
Why have you tried to justified your lack of hearing by many lies and
stratagems ? I don't know and it is beyond me...

BTW I thought you was out the conversation how to explain this express come
back ? More lies to tell ? More deafness to prove ?

In , dave weil wrote :

First you claim that I attributed a "bloom in the midrange" to
Greg's speakers.

That's a typical lie from Dave Weil.
Since the "bloom in the midrange" has been written by Trotsky himself.

I just pretend that you didn't notice the dramatic gap in the 1 khz to 3 khz
during your review.
Why have you tried to justified your lack of hearing by many lies and
stratagems ? I don't know and it is beyond me...

BTW I thought you was out the conversation. How to explain this express come
back ? More lies to tell ? More deafness to prove ?

dave weil a écrit :
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:51:48 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


Damned, this Dave Weil, what a high-end connoisseur !!! :-D


Thank you very much.

BTW, you were lying when you said that I claimed that I was a "very
good musician". I have NEVER claimed that. EVER. Because I'm not.

------------------------------------------------------------------
De : dave weil
Date : Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:30:24 -0600
Objet : Anybody have different systems for different styles of music?

"I am also a fairly accomplished blues harmonica player, learned by
being immersed in blues from a fairly early age."
------------------------------------------------------------------

When were you lying, Dave ? Today or on 2004/01/23 ?
When did to start to be immersed in the lie ?

--
Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?

Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Arthur "Sackman" Tsechmeister wrote :


Seems to me that it comes from Germany. To be verified.

Well, it could be France, Germany, Poland or Italy.
I don't know who did it first.
My intent was more a jab on your old accordian wars with Dave!

Oh, you are speaking about this famous demonstration of Dave's googlin'
talents. ;-)
Dave Weil is the specialist of the blank and wasteful verbiage.
For example, watch his review of Trotsky speakers, 3 longs boring and
self-satisfying blah, blah, blah... All that to miss the only the main
characteristic : a hole in frequency in the very important area of the
upper midranges and low trebles.
Note just a -2 or -3 db, no !!! Nearly 2 octaves missing !!! You told me
that you are a musician Arthur, so guess that you understand what that
means.
It's about the same disaster than in the Windows Media equalizer, all the
****ty presets named "rock" "rap" "techno" "jazz"...
Damned, this Dave Weil, what a high-end connoisseur !!! :-D



nope, that's not what I meant.

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:51:48 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

Damned, this Dave Weil, what a high-end connoisseur !!! :-D

Thank you very much.

BTW, you were lying when you said that I claimed that I was a "very
good musician". I have NEVER claimed that. EVER. Because I'm not.

It's a shame that you've resorted to lying throughout this whole sorid
affair. First you claim that I attributed a "bloom in the midrange" to
Greg's speakers. Now you are reduced to making claims about MY claims
about my musicianship. I suggest that you try to mangle Google again
(since you seem to have problems with it, that shouldn't be hard).

Poor little poodle.

Google lies!.

Arthur "Sackman" Tsechmeister wrote :


"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Arthur "Sackman" Tsechmeister wrote :


Seems to me that it comes from Germany. To be verified.

Well, it could be France, Germany, Poland or Italy.
I don't know who did it first.
My intent was more a jab on your old accordian wars with Dave!

Oh, you are speaking about this famous demonstration of Dave's googlin'
talents. ;-)
Dave Weil is the specialist of the blank and wasteful verbiage.
For example, watch his review of Trotsky speakers, 3 longs boring and
self-satisfying blah, blah, blah... All that to miss the only the main
characteristic : a hole in frequency in the very important area of the
upper midranges and low trebles.
Note just a -2 or -3 db, no !!! Nearly 2 octaves missing !!! You told me
that you are a musician Arthur, so guess that you understand what that
means.
It's about the same disaster than in the Windows Media equalizer, all the
****ty presets named "rock" "rap" "techno" "jazz"...
Damned, this Dave Weil, what a high-end connoisseur !!! :-D



nope, that's not what I meant.

I know but I don't care. ;-)



--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15

In , Clyde Slick wrote :


"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:51:48 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

Damned, this Dave Weil, what a high-end connoisseur !!! :-D

Thank you very much.

BTW, you were lying when you said that I claimed that I was a "very
good musician". I have NEVER claimed that. EVER. Because I'm not.

It's a shame that you've resorted to lying throughout this whole sorid
affair. First you claim that I attributed a "bloom in the midrange" to
Greg's speakers. Now you are reduced to making claims about MY claims
about my musicianship. I suggest that you try to mangle Google again
(since you seem to have problems with it, that shouldn't be hard).

Poor little poodle.

Google lies!.

This is what Dave has tried to demonstrate all along...

--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:04:24 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave "deaf" weil wrote :

Is "scattering" one of your recommendations for proper speaker
placement?

Why do you care since you canoot make the difference anymore ?

Unproven cavil.

Just stop canooting, Dave.

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:05:20 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



Derrick Fawsitt said:

Sorry folks, but I have say as a newcomer to this Newsgroup who is
wrestling with ESl63's, Bosendorfers, B and W's and the like trying to
find a really good speaker without breaking the bank,

If you get the Quads, you'll probably need a sub.

Wouldn't they sound better in the lounge-room, George?

paul packer said:

If you get the Quads, you'll probably need a sub.

Wouldn't they sound better in the lounge-room, George?

Better than what? And what's a "lounge-room"?

paul packer wrote :

Just stop canooting, Dave.

Paul, I sincerely hope that my poor english isn't the last field of
expression of your wit.


--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:48:51 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



paul packer said:

If you get the Quads, you'll probably need a sub.

Wouldn't they sound better in the lounge-room, George?

Better than what?

Better than in a sub.

And what's a "lounge-room"?

Oh God, divided by a common language again.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:05:47 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

paul packer wrote :

Just stop canooting, Dave.

Paul, I sincerely hope that my poor english isn't the last field of
expression of your wit.

No worries if it is, Lionel. It's such a wide field I can play there
for years.

In , paul packer wrote :

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:05:47 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

paul packer wrote :

Just stop canooting, Dave.

Paul, I sincerely hope that my poor english isn't the last field of
expression of your wit.

No worries if it is, Lionel. It's such a wide field I can play there
for years.

Indeed, I was a little bit puzzled.
So much intelligence, such petty entertainment... What a mess !!!



--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15

paul packer said:

If you get the Quads, you'll probably need a sub.

Wouldn't they sound better in the lounge-room, George?

Better than what?

Better than in a sub.

Now I see why you thought Mickey's dull thrust was praiseworthy..,,

And what's a "lounge-room"?

Oh God, divided by a common language again.

Get up off your ass and explain yourself.

In message , MINe
109 writes
In article ,
Derrick Fawsitt wrote:

One thing though, and this from a layman having the nerve to express his
opinion in this erudite Newsgroup, I have some very knowledgeable
friends connected with the Piano and they have always maintained that
its the hardest instrument to record. If this is so and the Bosendorfer
is reputably so good at it then surely it means its no mean reproducer
of orchestral music etc. ?

It could just mean the cabinets use very good wood!

http://www.audusa.com/bose.htm

Okay, they have special cabinets with "sound boards," which does sound
pianistic. I don't know anything about the designer, but it seems he
goes against the conventional wisdom of dampening cabinet resonances.

I would be interested in your comments on this. Bye the way, I won't be
able to try them out until the end of next week after which I will, if I
may, report back here.

Just to report back on the Bosendorfers as promised, I auditioned them
in the Hi Fi store and as a result of what I heard, I simply did not
bother to ask them to take them to my home to try out, but brought back
home my old B and W's until I can get the reconditioned Quad 63's back.
In other words, don't bother with them.

They had a warm sound and looked great but the reproduction, (in my
humble opinion), was coloured, especially in the Bass areas.
I am coming round slowly to the opinion that my old B and W's are great,
at least until I can get the Quads back to compare them.

Sorry for not getting back sooner but my PC went down and has only now
been fixed.
--
Derrick Fawsitt

In article ,
Derrick Fawsitt wrote:

Just to report back on the Bosendorfers as promised, I auditioned them
in the Hi Fi store and as a result of what I heard, I simply did not
bother to ask them to take them to my home to try out, but brought back
home my old B and W's until I can get the reconditioned Quad 63's back.
In other words, don't bother with them.

They had a warm sound and looked great but the reproduction, (in my
humble opinion), was coloured, especially in the Bass areas.
I am coming round slowly to the opinion that my old B and W's are great,
at least until I can get the Quads back to compare them.

Sorry for not getting back sooner but my PC went down and has only now
been fixed.

Thanks for the report. You'll like the Quads.

Stephen

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:15:11 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:


Get up off your ass and explain yourself.

Nope. I'm too busy lounging in my lounge-room.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:01:25 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


So much intelligence

Don't tell Arny. :-)

In , paul packer wrote :

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:01:25 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


So much intelligence

Don't tell Arny. :-)


IMHO intelligence is just like money... Having too much can botch the
pleasure. ;-)



--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:00:15 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

In , paul packer wrote :

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:01:25 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


So much intelligence

Don't tell Arny. :-)


IMHO intelligence is just like money... Having too much can botch the
pleasure. ;-)

No wonder you're so happy.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 05:58:10 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:00:15 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

In , paul packer wrote :

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:01:25 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


So much intelligence

Don't tell Arny. :-)


IMHO intelligence is just like money... Having too much can botch the
pleasure. ;-)

No wonder you're so happy.

No, Dave. That's because he has you. :-)

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:15:11 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



paul packer said:

If you get the Quads, you'll probably need a sub.

Wouldn't they sound better in the lounge-room, George?

Better than what?

Better than in a sub.

Now I see why you thought Mickey's dull thrust was praiseworthy..,,

Very ungenerous, George. I just thought Mike had earned a little
praise and encouragement. He does try, after all. And a few of his
thrusts, especially against you, haven't been all that dull. ;-)

In , dave weil wrote :

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:00:15 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

In , paul packer wrote :

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:01:25 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


So much intelligence

Don't tell Arny. :-)


IMHO intelligence is just like money... Having too much can botch the
pleasure. ;-)

No wonder you're so happy.

This has been written just for morons like you.
You never miss a trap for moron don't you Dave ? :-)


--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15

In , paul packer wrote :

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 05:58:10 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:00:15 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

In , paul packer wrote :

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:01:25 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


So much intelligence

Don't tell Arny. :-)


IMHO intelligence is just like money... Having too much can botch the
pleasure. ;-)

No wonder you're so happy.

No, Dave. That's because he has you. :-)


LOL !


--
"Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote.
But what's new around here?"

Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15