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I promised some pictures (Scott, Mike, Roger...)
But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm This is the make-shift control room and temporary studio we put together in under ten days for the 2" machine recording project. Thanks again for your help... as it turns out, the analogue torque board had some modifications made to it that I didn't notice, voiding most of the standard adjustments. Steve Sadler has sent me a loaner and will be returning my board to 'stock' configuration. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:Km%ad.7639$Mh7.3915@trnddc04... But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm Wow. Amazing in that short of a time. Tip 'o the hat to you. Neil Henderson |
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Neil Henderson wrote:
"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote... But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm Wow. Amazing in that short of a time. Tip 'o the hat to you. If ever you doubted he's a competent and crazy mofo, let doubt be excoriated. g -- ha |
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Thanks for the great story and photos!
Max Arwood "hank alrich" wrote in message .. . Neil Henderson wrote: "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote... But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm Wow. Amazing in that short of a time. Tip 'o the hat to you. If ever you doubted he's a competent and crazy mofo, let doubt be excoriated. g -- ha |
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"hank alrich" wrote in message .. . If ever you doubted he's a competent and crazy mofo, let doubt be excoriated. g An amazing story... and even more amazing is that Hank used the word "excoriated". What does it say about my education that I know the meaning of "crazy mofo" but "excoriated" was a new one on me. -- Chris White, Freelance Advertising Writer & Voice Overs* Email: Web: www.chriswhite.com Phone: 757-621-1348 *Your opinion may vary |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm This is the make-shift control room and temporary studio we put together in under ten days for the 2" machine recording project. Wow. |
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"hank alrich" wrote in message .. . Neil Henderson wrote: "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote... But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm Wow. Amazing in that short of a time. Tip 'o the hat to you. If ever you doubted he's a competent and crazy mofo, let doubt be excoriated. g -- ha Well, yes... I feel a little 'chafed' after the experience. ;-) You're constantly sendin' me to the dictionary, Hank. |
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Good job, David. I knew you had it in you. Nicely done set of pictures and
layout, too. You must have had a little more time on your hands than you thought! g Your first picture sadly resembles the shambles my studio is in right now due to this 9 month long remodel. I have to step over tools, area carpets that are stretched over boards for the drying process after the flood, amps, guitars out of place, drums that are still in the cases since the middle of February. So your picture looks way too familiar to me! I'm hoping to hit the "finished" picture by the end of the year, but I don't think it's ever been as nice as what you accomplished in such a short period of time. Shame to think that all that work will be deconstructed when it appears to me that some solid design work went into the space. So did the tensioning situation get settled? -- ----------- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:Km%ad.7639$Mh7.3915@trnddc04... But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm This is the make-shift control room and temporary studio we put together in under ten days for the 2" machine recording project. Thanks again for your help... as it turns out, the analogue torque board had some modifications made to it that I didn't notice, voiding most of the standard adjustments. Steve Sadler has sent me a loaner and will be returning my board to 'stock' configuration. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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x-no archive: yes
David Morgan wrote: You're constantly sendin' me to the dictionary, Hank. And a third of the time it turns out to be a real word! -- ha |
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Great story and photos!
of course next time they will expect you to shave a day off the set up. LOL! --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm This is the make-shift control room and temporary studio we put together in under ten days for the 2" machine recording project. Thanks again for your help... as it turns out, the analogue torque board had some modifications made to it that I didn't notice, voiding most of the standard adjustments. Steve Sadler has sent me a loaner and will be returning my board to 'stock' configuration. David, do you realize the vanishing number of people who woulda caught that??? Please be careful out there. hat off -- Les Cargill |
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"Les Cargill" wrote in message ... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm This is the make-shift control room and temporary studio we put together in under ten days for the 2" machine recording project. Thanks again for your help... as it turns out, the analogue torque board had some modifications made to it that I didn't notice, voiding most of the standard adjustments. Steve Sadler has sent me a loaner and will be returning my board to 'stock' configuration. David, do you realize the vanishing number of people who woulda caught that??? Please be careful out there. hat off -- Les Cargill It was fun. Actually, the modification appears to have bypassed a part of the circuit which separates control to the two motors. I don't claim to understand it, and it only appears to have affected torque andjustments and possibly altered the slew rate or something. It really didn't change much more, and I probably shouldn't have exaggerated that... I still have the problem. I think I'm down to just chasing wire. If the old Mitsu hadn't just been 16 tracks, it might have gotten the gig... and I can assure you it would still be running. g -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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"EggHd" wrote in message ... Great story and photos! of course next time they will expect you to shave a day off the set up. LOL! Don't laugh... effectively, since the producer arrived on Sunday, I was a full day late. :-\ |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Good job, David. I knew you had it in you. Nicely done set of pictures and layout, too. You must have had a little more time on your hands than you thought! g Yeah, yeah... and I heard about it from the feminie side of the household when I spent my first afternoon off doing that. Actually, I wanted to include some better before & after shots and a couple of floor plans, but I'd have given up gettin' any lovin' at all if I had taken any extra time. Your first picture sadly resembles the shambles my studio is in right now due to this 9 month long remodel. I have to step over tools, area carpets that are stretched over boards for the drying process after the flood, amps, guitars out of place, drums that are still in the cases since the middle of February. So your picture looks way too familiar to me! I'm hoping to hit the "finished" picture by the end of the year, but I don't think it's ever been as nice as what you accomplished in such a short period of time. It's just four square walls & a drop ceiling... a recipe for disaster, but I did do my best to overcome that. Shame to think that all that work will be deconstructed when it appears to me that some solid design work went into the space. I'd have to show better pictures and a floor plan to make it clear just how awkward the place still is. Only three single-ply wall segments even go to the roof line. Nah... if he get's Berger to do the control room, then nothing can stay the way it is. With a little more time and focus though, the place could be "usable" without a lot more investment. So did the tensioning situation get settled? No. I've been through everything physical - all the connectors from the power supply to the motors - and a replacement torque board yielded the same problem. The supply side is advancing too fast causing tape to ride up the roller and dump to stop.... but it's highly intermittent yet extremely frequent. I've lost three days of expected work in troubleshooting, not without help, though, and that means I'm behind and possibly frustrating the guys doing the overdubs. We have a window of time that's still open, but it looks like any profit at all from the session for the studio owner will be fed to the tape machine... I've done all I can, it's time to pay. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com -- ----------- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:Km%ad.7639$Mh7.3915@trnddc04... But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm This is the make-shift control room and temporary studio we put together in under ten days for the 2" machine recording project. Thanks again for your help... as it turns out, the analogue torque board had some modifications made to it that I didn't notice, voiding most of the standard adjustments. Steve Sadler has sent me a loaner and will be returning my board to 'stock' configuration. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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Perhaps it's time to start talking about a RADAR w/Nyquist converters?
Certainly numerous people that have been working with 24 track analog have opted for a RADAR as a backup/alternative unit and been pleased. And you will be dumping tracks to PT, right? So why wouldn't the Mitsu work unless there's some godawful reason to need 24 concurrent tracks, of which that space certainly belies the possibility. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:KwKbd.215$uk2.202@trnddc05... "Les Cargill" wrote in message ... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm This is the make-shift control room and temporary studio we put together in under ten days for the 2" machine recording project. Thanks again for your help... as it turns out, the analogue torque board had some modifications made to it that I didn't notice, voiding most of the standard adjustments. Steve Sadler has sent me a loaner and will be returning my board to 'stock' configuration. David, do you realize the vanishing number of people who woulda caught that??? Please be careful out there. hat off -- Les Cargill It was fun. Actually, the modification appears to have bypassed a part of the circuit which separates control to the two motors. I don't claim to understand it, and it only appears to have affected torque andjustments and possibly altered the slew rate or something. It really didn't change much more, and I probably shouldn't have exaggerated that... I still have the problem. I think I'm down to just chasing wire. If the old Mitsu hadn't just been 16 tracks, it might have gotten the gig... and I can assure you it would still be running. g -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Perhaps it's time to start talking about a RADAR w/Nyquist converters? Certainly numerous people that have been working with 24 track analog have opted for a RADAR as a backup/alternative unit and been pleased. We haven't thought about RADAR, even for the long term... but I'll put it on the dentist's 'wish-list'. Right now, there's a Paris there with 24 inputs, but the guy that brought it to the studio can't get it configured and I've already fabricated EDACs to feed it from the 24-track. The again, right now the 2" machine couldn't play the tracks to back it up. And you will be dumping tracks to PT, right? So why wouldn't the Mitsu work unless there's some godawful reason to need 24 concurrent tracks, of which that space certainly belies the possibility. We're way over 16. There were 9 on the drums, and there has to be room for some alternate takes on vocals and guitar. :-( DM Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:KwKbd.215$uk2.202@trnddc05... "Les Cargill" wrote in message ... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: But don't even try unless you have a high-speed connection or five minutes to wait for the photos to load. http://www.m-a-m-s.com/challenges.htm This is the make-shift control room and temporary studio we put together in under ten days for the 2" machine recording project. Thanks again for your help... as it turns out, the analogue torque board had some modifications made to it that I didn't notice, voiding most of the standard adjustments. Steve Sadler has sent me a loaner and will be returning my board to 'stock' configuration. David, do you realize the vanishing number of people who woulda caught that??? Please be careful out there. hat off -- Les Cargill It was fun. Actually, the modification appears to have bypassed a part of the circuit which separates control to the two motors. I don't claim to understand it, and it only appears to have affected torque andjustments and possibly altered the slew rate or something. It really didn't change much more, and I probably shouldn't have exaggerated that... I still have the problem. I think I'm down to just chasing wire. If the old Mitsu hadn't just been 16 tracks, it might have gotten the gig... and I can assure you it would still be running. g -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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David Morgan \(MAMS\) wrote:
"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Perhaps it's time to start talking about a RADAR w/Nyquist converters? Certainly numerous people that have been working with 24 track analog have opted for a RADAR as a backup/alternative unit and been pleased. We haven't thought about RADAR, even for the long term... but I'll put it on the dentist's 'wish-list'. RADAR is really sort of the best of both worlds. You get a user interface that is a lot like a tape machine, and the general tape machine feel. But you also get the ability to do some sophisticated editing with the ability to undo it as well. The converters are pretty good, and you get the wonderful digital bottom end which seems to be the big reason to go digital, more than anything else. Nice and solid, no tape bump, no ragged crap below the bump, just accurate and solid all the way down. The top end isn't perfect but it's pretty good. I can see some reasons to pick analogue machines or other digital machines over the RADAR, but the RADAR is a good compromise that gives you much of what I like about each one. Right now, there's a Paris there with 24 inputs, but the guy that brought it to the studio can't get it configured and I've already fabricated EDACs to feed it from the 24-track. The again, right now the 2" machine couldn't play the tracks to back it up. That's basically what RADAR buys you. It's a recording appliance. You don't spend so much time fighting with the hardware. And you will be dumping tracks to PT, right? So why wouldn't the Mitsu work unless there's some godawful reason to need 24 concurrent tracks, of which that space certainly belies the possibility. We're way over 16. There were 9 on the drums, and there has to be room for some alternate takes on vocals and guitar. :-( Well, it could be worse. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
RADAR is really sort of the best of both worlds. You get a user interface that is a lot like a tape machine, and the general tape machine feel. But you also get the ability to do some sophisticated editing with the ability to undo it as well. The converters are pretty good, and you get the wonderful digital bottom end which seems to be the big reason to go digital, more than anything else. Nice and solid, no tape bump, no ragged crap below the bump, just accurate and solid all the way down. The top end isn't perfect but it's pretty good. Please describe your take on the lack of top perfection (audiopile terminology accepted here), and, have you any opinion on how the Alesis HD24XR compares out of the box against the Radar convertors? Lastly, how much physical noise does a Radar make? It has fans and hard drives in it. -- ha |
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hank alrich wrote:
Please describe your take on the lack of top perfection (audiopile terminology accepted here), and, have you any opinion on how the Alesis HD24XR compares out of the box against the Radar convertors? I dunno. When I compare what goes into the Radar, the top end comes out a litte different than what went in. It's not harsher. If anything it is a little softer. It's not grainy, though. I have never used the Alesis box. But, I will say that the one wonderful thing about the digital world is that if you have a piece of gear that has a user interface that you like, you can match it with a set of converters that you like. Lastly, how much physical noise does a Radar make? It has fans and hard drives in it. It's really noisy. You need a machine room for it. But the ATR-100 is noisy too (and maybe I should consider replacing the fan on mine). --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Perhaps it's time to start talking about a RADAR w/Nyquist converters?
I have used Radar with the "stock" converters and have been very happy. Don't write them off if cost is an issue. --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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Now I haven't worked with a lot of RADAR units, but I don't think they are
noisier than a 24 track analog recorder in the control room, particularly during rewinds! g And you don't have to worry about things flying around the room. But overall, a decently set up Paris system should suffice for transfers if the danged 24 track was working correctly. On a decent machine with enough inputs a Paris system should still do a great job. It all depends on who is qualified to work what, and I've actually never heard of a RADAR system not working, which is surprising because you know there have had to be systems that didn't work. For the dollars invested in hiring in a 24 track and maintaining over any length of a gruelling recording set of sessions, it seems to me that I'd opt in for the RADAR in a heartbeat. Or even a couple. Nine mics on the drums. Whatsamatter you? I know, not your call. Does anyone remember that Bonham didn't use 9 mics? What the **** happened to getting the sound of the drums, not getting sounds of individual drums? Yeah, I want each individual string on my guitar mic'd so that I can overdub a string that's not right. Geez, guess I'm getting cranky now that I've hit 53. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... hank alrich wrote: Please describe your take on the lack of top perfection (audiopile terminology accepted here), and, have you any opinion on how the Alesis HD24XR compares out of the box against the Radar convertors? I dunno. When I compare what goes into the Radar, the top end comes out a litte different than what went in. It's not harsher. If anything it is a little softer. It's not grainy, though. I have never used the Alesis box. But, I will say that the one wonderful thing about the digital world is that if you have a piece of gear that has a user interface that you like, you can match it with a set of converters that you like. Lastly, how much physical noise does a Radar make? It has fans and hard drives in it. It's really noisy. You need a machine room for it. But the ATR-100 is noisy too (and maybe I should consider replacing the fan on mine). --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ...
Now I haven't worked with a lot of RADAR units, but I don't think they are noisier than a 24 track analog recorder in the control room, particularly during rewinds! g And you don't have to worry about things flying around the room. Definitely louded the a 2 inch machine, but not louder than one during rewinds. But overall, a decently set up Paris system should suffice for transfers if the danged 24 track was working correctly. On a decent machine with enough inputs a Paris system should still do a great job. It all depends on who is qualified to work what, and I've actually never heard of a RADAR system not working, which is surprising because you know there have had to be systems that didn't work. For the dollars invested in hiring in a 24 track and maintaining over any length of a gruelling recording set of sessions, it seems to me that I'd opt in for the RADAR in a heartbeat. Or even a couple. When my RADAR 24 blew a cp in the power supply I was down for a day or two. I've yet to lose more than 15 minutes from my 2 inch machine. Power down, reseat the cards and that's about it. |
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