Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing
on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher
bitrate but would 192 suffice?

TIA.

Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to
playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of
a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice?

hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus
/ EAW / Turbosound / Meyer then you'll be able to tell the difference
bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV.

"Tim S Kemp" wrote in message
...
Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to
playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of
a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice?

hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running
Opus
/ EAW / Turbosound / Meyer

Are you talking about speakers or other equipment?

then you'll be able to tell the difference
bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV.

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

In article ,
says...

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

Both.
------------
Alex

"Alex Rodriguez" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

Both.
------------
Alex


You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

citronzx wrote:

You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass
with any bitrate of mp3?

Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various
bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable
bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps.

--
Roger.

citronzx wrote:

You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass
with any bitrate of mp3?

Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various
bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable
bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps.

--
Roger.

citronzx wrote:

You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass
with any bitrate of mp3?

Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various
bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable
bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps.

--
Roger.

citronzx wrote:

You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass
with any bitrate of mp3?

Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various
bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable
bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps.

--
Roger.

In article et,
says...

You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

You must go to clubs that have crappy gear. Loud distortion sounds like
loud distortion. You can hear it, just louder. Most of the clubs I have
been to have sound systems that play clean and loud. So unless you are
really drunk, you can hear the lousy sound.
-------------
Alex

In article et,
says...

You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

You must go to clubs that have crappy gear. Loud distortion sounds like
loud distortion. You can hear it, just louder. Most of the clubs I have
been to have sound systems that play clean and loud. So unless you are
really drunk, you can hear the lousy sound.
-------------
Alex

In article et,
says...

You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

You must go to clubs that have crappy gear. Loud distortion sounds like
loud distortion. You can hear it, just louder. Most of the clubs I have
been to have sound systems that play clean and loud. So unless you are
really drunk, you can hear the lousy sound.
-------------
Alex

In article et,
says...

You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

You must go to clubs that have crappy gear. Loud distortion sounds like
loud distortion. You can hear it, just louder. Most of the clubs I have
been to have sound systems that play clean and loud. So unless you are
really drunk, you can hear the lousy sound.
-------------
Alex

"Alex Rodriguez" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

Both.
------------
Alex


You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

"Alex Rodriguez" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

Both.
------------
Alex


You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

"Alex Rodriguez" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

Both.
------------
Alex


You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music
is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is
singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes
for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would
notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of
bass with some tracks though.

In article ,
says...

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

Both.
------------
Alex

In article ,
says...

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

Both.
------------
Alex

In article ,
says...

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

Both.
------------
Alex

"Tim S Kemp" wrote in message
...
Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to
playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of
a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice?

hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running
Opus
/ EAW / Turbosound / Meyer

Are you talking about speakers or other equipment?

then you'll be able to tell the difference
bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV.

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

"Tim S Kemp" wrote in message
...
Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to
playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of
a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice?

hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running
Opus
/ EAW / Turbosound / Meyer

Are you talking about speakers or other equipment?

then you'll be able to tell the difference
bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV.

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

"Tim S Kemp" wrote in message
...
Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to
playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of
a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice?

hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running
Opus
/ EAW / Turbosound / Meyer

Are you talking about speakers or other equipment?

then you'll be able to tell the difference
bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV.

How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or
will there be any unwanted "effects"?

Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to
playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of
a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice?

hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus
/ EAW / Turbosound / Meyer then you'll be able to tell the difference
bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV.

Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to
playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of
a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice?

hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus
/ EAW / Turbosound / Meyer then you'll be able to tell the difference
bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV.

Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to
playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of
a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice?

hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus
/ EAW / Turbosound / Meyer then you'll be able to tell the difference
bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV.

In article ,
says...
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing
on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher
bitrate but would 192 suffice?

192kbps is fine using LAME, I had some very strange results with
fraunhofer encoder.
In a blindtests with headphones only 10% could tell the
difference between 192kbps and a CDDA. In a club I guess no one
would notice.

--
/ Peter Kaersaa

In article ,
says...
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing
on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher
bitrate but would 192 suffice?

192kbps is fine using LAME, I had some very strange results with
fraunhofer encoder.
In a blindtests with headphones only 10% could tell the
difference between 192kbps and a CDDA. In a club I guess no one
would notice.

--
/ Peter Kaersaa

In article ,
says...
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing
on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher
bitrate but would 192 suffice?

192kbps is fine using LAME, I had some very strange results with
fraunhofer encoder.
In a blindtests with headphones only 10% could tell the
difference between 192kbps and a CDDA. In a club I guess no one
would notice.

--
/ Peter Kaersaa

In article ,
says...
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing
on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher
bitrate but would 192 suffice?

192kbps is fine using LAME, I had some very strange results with
fraunhofer encoder.
In a blindtests with headphones only 10% could tell the
difference between 192kbps and a CDDA. In a club I guess no one
would notice.

--
/ Peter Kaersaa

I think you or anyone else would be very hard pressed to reliably tell the
difference with any competently encoded track.

(enough weasel-words there?)

Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Jase" wrote in message
...
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to
playing
on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher
bitrate but would 192 suffice?

TIA.

just my 2cents worth but

vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth. i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.
mp3 sounds a little thin for big club tracks - just because something
has the same SPL doesn't mean it has the same 'bounce'
still, all things being relative, if all the other djs on the night
play mp3 too, noone will ever notice...


vib


ps. if you're getting paid to dj i hope you're buying the music you
play and not just kazaaing it
karma is a bitch ; )

On 11 Feb 2004 01:11:51 -0800
(vibrations) wrote:

vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth. i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.

either ****E encoding or dj.

dont blame the format.

--
Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup.

On 11 Feb 2004 01:11:51 -0800
(vibrations) wrote:

vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth. i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.

either ****E encoding or dj.

dont blame the format.

--
Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup.

On 11 Feb 2004 01:11:51 -0800
(vibrations) wrote:

vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth. i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.

either ****E encoding or dj.

dont blame the format.

--
Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup.

On 11 Feb 2004 01:11:51 -0800
(vibrations) wrote:

vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth. i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.

either ****E encoding or dj.

dont blame the format.

--
Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup.

"vibrations" wrote in message
om...
just my 2cents worth but

vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth.


Not just in clubs and not to mention texture, tone, detail, depth and
imaging.......


i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.


You can flog Joe Public any old crap but you can't make him listen to
it.......


mp3 sounds a little thin for big club tracks - just because something
has the same SPL doesn't mean it has the same 'bounce'


Agreed entirely.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"vibrations" wrote in message
om...
vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth.

Not just in clubs and not to mention texture, tone, detail, depth and
imaging.......

Agreed, it's best not to mention those things and vinyl in the same breath!

i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.

Sure, there a lot more things going on than just the vinyl Vs digital
source.

You can flog Joe Public any old crap but you can't make him listen to
it.......

Agreed, many prefer new crap.

mp3 sounds a little thin for big club tracks - just because something
has the same SPL doesn't mean it has the same 'bounce'

True, nothing like the bounce from a tone arm when the turntable is knocked!

TonyP.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"vibrations" wrote in message
om...
vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth.

Not just in clubs and not to mention texture, tone, detail, depth and
imaging.......

Agreed, it's best not to mention those things and vinyl in the same breath!

i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.

Sure, there a lot more things going on than just the vinyl Vs digital
source.

You can flog Joe Public any old crap but you can't make him listen to
it.......

Agreed, many prefer new crap.

mp3 sounds a little thin for big club tracks - just because something
has the same SPL doesn't mean it has the same 'bounce'

True, nothing like the bounce from a tone arm when the turntable is knocked!

TonyP.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"vibrations" wrote in message
om...
vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth.

Not just in clubs and not to mention texture, tone, detail, depth and
imaging.......

Agreed, it's best not to mention those things and vinyl in the same breath!

i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.

Sure, there a lot more things going on than just the vinyl Vs digital
source.

You can flog Joe Public any old crap but you can't make him listen to
it.......

Agreed, many prefer new crap.

mp3 sounds a little thin for big club tracks - just because something
has the same SPL doesn't mean it has the same 'bounce'

True, nothing like the bounce from a tone arm when the turntable is knocked!

TonyP.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"vibrations" wrote in message
om...
vinyl still offers the best sound in a club environment, in terms of
impact and depth.

Not just in clubs and not to mention texture, tone, detail, depth and
imaging.......

Agreed, it's best not to mention those things and vinyl in the same breath!

i've seen mp3 dudes drop sets after vinyl ones, and
seen the atmosphere vanish and people leave the floor.

Sure, there a lot more things going on than just the vinyl Vs digital
source.

You can flog Joe Public any old crap but you can't make him listen to
it.......

Agreed, many prefer new crap.

mp3 sounds a little thin for big club tracks - just because something
has the same SPL doesn't mean it has the same 'bounce'

True, nothing like the bounce from a tone arm when the turntable is knocked!

TonyP.