Roger wrote:


"RPS" emitted :

: Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick.

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

Jupiter Audio produce speakers which match at least one of your
criteria...


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LOL !!!

What happened to the milk delivery route?



Bruce J. Richman

George M. Middius wrote:


Bruce J. Richman said:

A brand well known to audiophiles but perhaps not to you would be
Vandersteen.
Their speakers are reasonably priced, have terrific sound for the money,
and
among other things, have excellent bass considering their cost/size and are
time aligned for better soundstaging ability. Well worth checking out.


Are Vandys bipolar? Er, dipolar. Uh.... Don't you have to put them in the
middle of the room?


They are dipolar in terms of radiation pattern. And sure, you probably should
put them 2-3 feet from the back wall for optimum sound, but certainly not "in
the middle of the room". That said, they have a fairly small foot print. And
it's been my experience that *most* speakers sound best in not placed flush
against the back wall. And Vandersteen's certainly do *not* need bass
reinforcement by being closer to a wall.

I have recommended them to several friends, and they have gotten excellent
sound placing no more than 2 feet out from the wall behind them. Of course,
room acoustics will always make a difference and should be taken in to account
when auditioning speakers.



Bruce J. Richman

From: George M. Middius
Date: 10/27/2004 1:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:



Bruce J. Richman said:

A brand well known to audiophiles but perhaps not to you would be
Vandersteen.
Their speakers are reasonably priced, have terrific sound for the money,
and
among other things, have excellent bass considering their cost/size and are
time aligned for better soundstaging ability. Well worth checking out.


Are Vandys bipolar? Er, dipolar. Uh.... Don't you have to put them in the
middle of the room?


They are not dipole but they do sound best with room to breath. Side walls are
a bigger issue than back walls. You need at least 2 feet off the back wall and
three feet off the side walls. The more the better. They will work in a
dedicated small listening room.

Roger wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" emitted :

: Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick.

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

Jupiter Audio produce speakers which match at least one of your
criteria...


------------------------
http://tinyurl.com/6xjkt



LOL !!!

What happened to the milk delivery route?

Haven't you heard? All UK cows have been deployed by president Bush,
reporting on Middle East intelligence matters. They will be submitting
a document on Iran's WMD next..


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Are you sure one of them didn't end up in France and give a rather moronic
sewer worker "mad cow disease" ?

If it isn't one thing, it's an udder.



Bruce J. Richman

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
George M. Middius wrote:


Bruce J. Richman said:

A brand well known to audiophiles but perhaps not to you would be
Vandersteen.
Their speakers are reasonably priced, have terrific sound for the money,
and
among other things, have excellent bass considering their cost/size and
are
time aligned for better soundstaging ability. Well worth checking out.


Are Vandys bipolar? Er, dipolar. Uh.... Don't you have to put them in the
middle of the room?


They are dipolar in terms of radiation pattern. And sure, you probably
should
put them 2-3 feet from the back wall for optimum sound, but certainly not
"in
the middle of the room". That said, they have a fairly small foot print.
And
it's been my experience that *most* speakers sound best in not placed
flush
against the back wall. And Vandersteen's certainly do *not* need bass
reinforcement by being closer to a wall.

I have recommended them to several friends, and they have gotten excellent
sound placing no more than 2 feet out from the wall behind them. Of
course,
room acoustics will always make a difference and should be taken in to
account
when auditioning speakers.



My vandersteen 4's sound best about 3 feet from the wall, in a 13 X 20 room
..

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: George M. Middius
Date: 10/27/2004 1:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:



Bruce J. Richman said:

A brand well known to audiophiles but perhaps not to you would be
Vandersteen.
Their speakers are reasonably priced, have terrific sound for the money,
and
among other things, have excellent bass considering their cost/size and
are
time aligned for better soundstaging ability. Well worth checking out.


Are Vandys bipolar? Er, dipolar. Uh.... Don't you have to put them in the
middle of the room?


They are not dipole but they do sound best with room to breath. Side walls
are
a bigger issue than back walls. You need at least 2 feet off the back wall
and
three feet off the side walls. The more the better. They will work in a
dedicated small listening room.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: George M. Middius
Date: 10/27/2004 1:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:



Bruce J. Richman said:

A brand well known to audiophiles but perhaps not to you would be
Vandersteen.
Their speakers are reasonably priced, have terrific sound for the money,
and
among other things, have excellent bass considering their cost/size and
are
time aligned for better soundstaging ability. Well worth checking out.


Are Vandys bipolar? Er, dipolar. Uh.... Don't you have to put them in the
middle of the room?


They are not dipole but they do sound best with room to breath. Side walls
are
a bigger issue than back walls. You need at least 2 feet off the back wall
and
three feet off the side walls. The more the better. They will work in a
dedicated small listening room.



Yes, I just measured, mine are 2 1/2 feet off the rear
wall and 2 1/2 feet off the side walls. Considering that my
room is 13 feet narrow, I couldn't do much more off the side walls.
Vandesteen 4

Roger McDodger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" emitted :


Are you sure one of them didn't end up in France and give a rather moronic
sewer worker "mad cow disease" ?

I only eat rats to prevent contamination.

Lactionel?

This could be interpreted as a first symptom...

One that I really like, though they are expensive, is Shamrock Audio.
(checks) humm - seems their site is offline. Too bad, they were
good speakers(actually they also had plans and a kit as well as
a good discussion group on that site)

Well, when you sell a good speaker for la-la prices, staying in
business is hard. Just ask our local "expert" about his wonderful
speaker company. Btw - has he sold more than one pair of those
hopelessly average things? We told him not to use such a small
cabinet and that ribbon tweeter like that, but he's denser than
my mother's fruitcake.

Oh well - back to serious things:
Ellis Audio makes a very simmilar speaker for half the price, which
is one of my top "little known but kick-ass" speakers.

http://www.ellisaudio.com/

Nice site, good guy, plenty of real information about
speakers in general. $1300 a pair seems like a bargain,
considering how much work goes into his cabinets.
Or you can get a kit for $675, which is very near his
actual cost.

He is running this as a hobby more than a business, so
the markup is closer to retail stores(bicycles, hardware, etc)
rather than the 300-400% over cost that you see in the audio
industry. This is the best deal that I know of other than
the Magnepan MMGs. I couldn't make a pair of MMGs for
close to $550, and they shred anything else in the price-range
into little bits. No contest at all. The downside is that
you need a 4 ohm amplifier.

From his page on upgrading the 1801 to 1801b:
"If you don't have any SonicCaps and want them, it will cost $145+10s/h.
This retains only 1 capacitor from the previous crossover.

The cost reflects the retail cost of components + $15 for development."

$15 profit on a new crossover assembly is nuts in business,
but he's running this as a hobby, so take advantage of the situation
before he changes his mind

George M. Middius wrote:


Clyde Slick said:

Too bad Arnii isn't Catholic. He'd keep a whole raft of priests busy
with his confessions.

But the priests might not like extra competition for the altar boys.

Good point. Arnii, if you're reading this, I suggest a stealth approach --
tell the priest you can make stuff happen. You might add that you never
deliver any "merchandise" without sampling it first. Nothing beats
recruiting under the banner of the priesthood.



He could always tell them he's an expert in "dithering", and that he'd be happy
to demonstrate his skills in this area.






Bruce J. Richman