Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm stereo in the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small footprint of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75 watts front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum 400.4 and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem. Thanks for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

Any amp I can think of will do 3 ohms mono all day long. Besides, loading a
sub into a box will raise it at least a half ohm and in some cases a lot
more.



Paul Vina



"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm stereo in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small footprint of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75 watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum 400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem. Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

What about a JL 300/4?


Paul Vina




"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm stereo in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small footprint of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75 watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum 400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem. Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

I have been talking to manufactures all day and the only ones I have found
so far is Phoenix Gold and the JL.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:UilNb.67970$I06.306954@attbi_s01...
Any amp I can think of will do 3 ohms mono all day long. Besides, loading
a
sub into a box will raise it at least a half ohm and in some cases a lot
more.



Paul Vina



"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm stereo in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small footprint of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75 watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum 400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem. Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

I just traded away one of my JL 300/4's. I wish I had not but, I made a
great deal on it. I have another in my other vehicle. I may have to do
some swapping.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:gjlNb.67977$I06.307121@attbi_s01...
What about a JL 300/4?


Paul Vina




"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm stereo in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small footprint of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75 watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum 400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem. Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

I have been talking to manufactures all day and the only ones I have found
so far is Phoenix Gold and the JL.

Paul's point was that a good amplifier will be able to handle a 3 ohm sub
quite easily, even if they claim it's only capable of handling 4 ohms. The
reason for this is that a) the 3 ohm sub will actually have a higher
impedance than a 4 ohm resistor, due to the impedance dependency on
frequency, the effective impedance added by the box, and power compression;
and b) most of the time, amplifiers aren't driven terribly far beyond their
limits. Good amplifiers are designed to be able to withstand being driven
into clipping rather severely, which produces as much or more heat as
driving lower impedance loads.

The amps that wouldn't be able to handle that sub of yours are the same ones
that can't handle 4 ohm resistors without overheating (these are actually
too common).

That's odd because RF recommends using a 2.66 ohm load on their 2-channel
amps when bridged.



Paul Vina



"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
newskmNb.2269$rh5.1331@okepread04...
I have been talking to manufactures all day and the only ones I have found
so far is Phoenix Gold and the JL.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:UilNb.67970$I06.306954@attbi_s01...
Any amp I can think of will do 3 ohms mono all day long. Besides,
loading
a
sub into a box will raise it at least a half ohm and in some cases a lot
more.



Paul Vina



"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm stereo
in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small footprint
of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75 watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum
400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem.
Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

I know what you mean. I keep thinking about selling my 300/4 and have even
gone so far as to post FS ads, but I don't think I can do it. Every time I
look at it sitting in it's box I think not a chance in hell!



Paul Vina




"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
news:hlmNb.2270$rh5.1423@okepread04...
I just traded away one of my JL 300/4's. I wish I had not but, I made a
great deal on it. I have another in my other vehicle. I may have to do
some swapping.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:gjlNb.67977$I06.307121@attbi_s01...
What about a JL 300/4?


Paul Vina




"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm stereo
in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small footprint
of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75 watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum
400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem.
Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

That is odd. I talked to Rockford yesterday about their Power series amps
and they said it may or may not work at 3 ohms but, they would not recommend
it.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:ermNb.69798$na.40281@attbi_s04...
That's odd because RF recommends using a 2.66 ohm load on their 2-channel
amps when bridged.



Paul Vina



"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
newskmNb.2269$rh5.1331@okepread04...
I have been talking to manufactures all day and the only ones I have
found
so far is Phoenix Gold and the JL.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:UilNb.67970$I06.306954@attbi_s01...
Any amp I can think of will do 3 ohms mono all day long. Besides,
loading
a
sub into a box will raise it at least a half ohm and in some cases a
lot
more.



Paul Vina



"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm stereo
in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small
footprint
of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75
watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum
400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem.
Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

Wow, they used to put it in their amp and sub manuals. They even had it
online in their tech section AND at their annual trainings they preached it
until we were blue in the face. Maybe their amps aren't as solid as they
used to be.




Paul Vina



"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
news:MtnNb.2275$rh5.71@okepread04...
That is odd. I talked to Rockford yesterday about their Power series
amps
and they said it may or may not work at 3 ohms but, they would not
recommend
it.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:ermNb.69798$na.40281@attbi_s04...
That's odd because RF recommends using a 2.66 ohm load on their
2-channel
amps when bridged.



Paul Vina



"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
newskmNb.2269$rh5.1331@okepread04...
I have been talking to manufactures all day and the only ones I have
found
so far is Phoenix Gold and the JL.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:UilNb.67970$I06.306954@attbi_s01...
Any amp I can think of will do 3 ohms mono all day long. Besides,
loading
a
sub into a box will raise it at least a half ohm and in some cases a
lot
more.



Paul Vina



"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm
stereo
in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small
footprint
of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75
watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot
of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum
400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem.
Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

I got several more emails today from companies saying they do not recommend
it. I think I have decided to move my JL 300/4 into this install for now.
Run the fronts with 75 x 2 and the rear at 150. Then, buy me a JL 300/2 for
my other vehicle. I was running the 300/4 bridged in the other vehicle
anyway. Thanks for all the input.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:9DCNb.75219$8H.112930@attbi_s03...
Wow, they used to put it in their amp and sub manuals. They even had it
online in their tech section AND at their annual trainings they preached
it
until we were blue in the face. Maybe their amps aren't as solid as they
used to be.




Paul Vina



"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
news:MtnNb.2275$rh5.71@okepread04...
That is odd. I talked to Rockford yesterday about their Power series
amps
and they said it may or may not work at 3 ohms but, they would not
recommend
it.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:ermNb.69798$na.40281@attbi_s04...
That's odd because RF recommends using a 2.66 ohm load on their
2-channel
amps when bridged.



Paul Vina



"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
newskmNb.2269$rh5.1331@okepread04...
I have been talking to manufactures all day and the only ones I have
found
so far is Phoenix Gold and the JL.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:UilNb.67970$I06.306954@attbi_s01...
Any amp I can think of will do 3 ohms mono all day long. Besides,
loading
a
sub into a box will raise it at least a half ohm and in some cases
a
lot
more.



Paul Vina



"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm
stereo
in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small
footprint
of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75
watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done
alot
of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold
Tantrum
400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem.
Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

I feel you on that one. I need to get a 300/2 for my midbasses and a 1000/1
for the IDMAX.


Paul Vina




"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
news:NAHNb.3090$rh5.1599@okepread04...
I got several more emails today from companies saying they do not
recommend
it. I think I have decided to move my JL 300/4 into this install for now.
Run the fronts with 75 x 2 and the rear at 150. Then, buy me a JL 300/2
for
my other vehicle. I was running the 300/4 bridged in the other vehicle
anyway. Thanks for all the input.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:9DCNb.75219$8H.112930@attbi_s03...
Wow, they used to put it in their amp and sub manuals. They even had it
online in their tech section AND at their annual trainings they preached
it
until we were blue in the face. Maybe their amps aren't as solid as
they
used to be.




Paul Vina



"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
news:MtnNb.2275$rh5.71@okepread04...
That is odd. I talked to Rockford yesterday about their Power series
amps
and they said it may or may not work at 3 ohms but, they would not
recommend
it.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:ermNb.69798$na.40281@attbi_s04...
That's odd because RF recommends using a 2.66 ohm load on their
2-channel
amps when bridged.



Paul Vina



"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
newskmNb.2269$rh5.1331@okepread04...
I have been talking to manufactures all day and the only ones I
have
found
so far is Phoenix Gold and the JL.


"Paul Vina" wrote in message
news:UilNb.67970$I06.306954@attbi_s01...
Any amp I can think of will do 3 ohms mono all day long.
Besides,
loading
a
sub into a box will raise it at least a half ohm and in some
cases
a
lot
more.



Paul Vina



"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in
message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm
stereo
in
the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small
footprint
of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do
50-75
watts
front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done
alot
of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold
Tantrum
400.4
and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest
problem.
Thanks
for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder

If you're looking for a new amp. then the PG Ti500 should be able to fit the
bill for you. 75x4 @4ohms, 150x4 @2ohms, 1ohm stereo capable (does not put
out more more but will handle the load) 250x2 bridged @ 4ohms and 2ohms
(does not put out more more but will handle the load)

If you're looking at used the PG ZX450 and the ZX475ti are essentially the
same amplifier re-branded.

"C & C Machine, Inc." wrote in message
m...
Here is what I need. A 4 channel amp that will run at 3 ohm stereo in the
front and bridge the rear to run 3 ohms mono. Need a small footprint of
around 14" x 12". Also, would like something that will do 50-75 watts front
and 200+ rear. I know this is a tall order but, I have done alot of
research and the only thing I have found is a Phoenix Gold Tantrum 400.4 and
600.4. Finding the 3 ohms bridged has been the biggest problem. Thanks for
any help.



--
Douglas Conder





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