[Patrick Turner]

Flipper farted these turds of crap at the world......


Just what the world needs, another self-righteous fascist.

And how typical of you to equate the pacifist Amish with terrorist
thugs.

Flipper is a nutcase who has serious difficulties with comprehension
of plain english language emails. Just how he concludes that I "equate
the pacifist Amish with terrorist thugs" is hard for most to
understand, IMHO. I think its the Ga-Ga link. Most probably, the Amish
elders and the moderate peace loving god loving people of Indonesia
share the same view that Lady Ga-Ga is performing trollop, a plain
slut, an un-readeemable sample of brazen ****ery, someone to be
despised and banned and disrespected whenever she / it appears in some
place in their territory. So, with a bit of a shove and shout at
Government, she can be persuaded to **** off, and take her devilish
corrupting, unworthy, dopey, evil crap elsewhere to people who have
lesser standards and morals, in places like the USA.

We had a small band of shielas put on a "slut walk" through city
streets. Lady Ga-Ga is their heroine. Well, these whingers about the
usual war of the sexes got mainly a yawn from the public. Luckily, Oz
is a fairly tolerant country and if 1/2 a dozen shielas wanna do
something wacky like parade half naked etc, and its not life
threatening, we just let 'em, they get it out of their system, and
probably in 5 years nobody will recall who Lady Ga-Ga was, or remember
her extremely forgetable talent. In Afghanistan, Gaga would be stoned
as she walked in the street. The country has lots of stones
everywhere. Its a whole country fulla fukkin stones. So its only
natural a cultural habit of stoning has arisen. The same culture just
does not evolve where most open spaces have lawns and good looking
fields of nice grass.
Indonesia is a predominantly Muslim nation, about 200 million, and
sure, like in the USA and Norway recently, they get a few terrorists.
A few blew up a crowded Bali nightspot. They don't like the sluttish
habits of westerers misbehaving. I went to Bali for a month in 1981,
and I know what they mean. I am just wondering what the crime rates
are for the USA and Indo, say, shootings per 100,000 people, drug
abuse % etc. I'm always amused by self righteous americans saying how
marvellously good the USA is, Same here, ppl say Oz is just only
wonderful. But I know that everywhere one goes there is both good and
bad, and in many places in the world, addopting the USA style of life
is considered a huge step backwards.

I always think anyone including flipper should be challenged when
calling anyone else a fascist. Spouting abuse is flipper's speciality.

Oh, and BTW flipper, I AM a pacifist too, and in the 1960s when our
Government had a national ballot system of selection of 20 yr olds for
national Service, they could not count on me to help their amoral
efforts to "Go all the way with LBJ" and send conscripted soldiers to
Vietnam. I could, with a sizable % of other Australians, see that the
Viet conflict was plain wrong. Half the men in Oz who'd been to WW2
only 20 years before held the views I had. Luckily for me, my number
in the ballot didn't come up, so I didn't have to become a real draft
dodger like those who did who spent years hiding from the police and
ultra right wing behaviours of western governments at that time.
Remember when the CIA and USA government in particular constantly
interferred with whole countries to advance domination of them and
exploit them for business interests, and to "stop the spread of
socialist communism". Well, fear of socialism was unfounded because it
imploded by itself, because if you deny private ownership and freedom,
soon you have a dysfunctional society which produces nothing but
nothing, and they basically go broke, especially if we point thousands
of nuclear armed missiles at them so they have to make a few to point
at us. So had the USA just ignored Vietnam, and let Vietnam decide its
own fate and politics, the later inevitable swing to capitalism would
have occurred faster.

Robert McNamara appeared in a famous movie to explain how wrong the
USA had been about Vietnam. Lord Valve said to me once the West won
because although 3 millions "gooks" died, the US "only" lost 50,000.
Well, what an utterly insane comment to make, but a lot in the USA and
here too think the same evil way, and they didn't like copping the
defeat which Vietnam was. There are still rightwing ppl who, like
fascists, think anyone who don't agree with them is a traitor and
should be executed if they won't serve in War X or War Y or War Z.

But the trend is that people have woken up a bit about joining up to
go to Afghanistan, and of course to win a war there means shooting
most of the men, women and children, maybe 20 million, and ordinary
peace loving americans won't do it, and if they were willing, it'd
cost too much. So instead, the US is investing very heavily in UAV or
"drones" and I heard these drones are to be equipped with software to
make the decision about what to bomb. So, just launch these things,
and have 'em hovering over your possible enemy, and they just take out
ppl here and there for the next 20 years, lots of women and children
included. Now who is the terrorist? Of course in Ghan and Pakistan,
there ARE terroists and old fashioned plain old arsoles, so why pick a
fight with them? The US should just defend itself. Then there is the
question of what happens after the US and Oz is forced out of Ghan?
Well, I reckon the Ghan army might break apart into waring tribes and
the economy will collapse, and evermore reliance on producing heroine
will be tried. Oh yeah, Ghan will have trouble with so many arsoles.
But, it's been like that for thousands of years. Attacking other
countries is not our defense. The expense of ME wars seems rather
unjustified, and has put the West into parlous financial conditions.
Seems like the brown skins with turbans are winning, but they get
nothing from it - the Afghans have never really taken kindly to
successive invasions over centuries, and I'm sure they'd rather not
have had to fight us.

Meanwhile I heard Karzai is makin all sorts of deals with the Chinese
so that joint ventures can proceed to exploit Ghan's vast mineral
wealth and to give useful employment to hordes of eager young Afghan
men who'd love to work rather than devise IEDs to defeat yanks, or
grovel in the dust growing opium. But Karzai and his corrupt cronies
ain't so strong, and it could all collapse so easy like a house of
cards, and nobody can ever go into Ghan to exploit it. Eventually,
Ghan might fall to a foreign power when the rest of the world's
resources dwindle and national governments fade. Armies of only
thousands armed with millions of drone UAVs may become affordable by
multinational companies to "stabilise unsympathetic populations".
There is reason to imagine the world could be a lot worse in 50 years,
or 100 years, or 1,000 years. What some would now call worse may be
seen later as better, glorious in fact. Reality becomes warped.
"Fascist" is such a limited word these days as the varieties of evil
doers diversifies. Humanity has this dreadfully inventive war gene.
But hey, I won't be here, I'm getting old. I'm real lucky to have
lived without being shot at by police of my own country, or by men of
another country who were easily conned into defending it after I was
sent over there to shoot at them.

There are a lot of people to admire in the USA, and I am much better
off to know them. But gee, I can only challenge the others with
emails, a bit like throwing eggs and tomatoes. I hope the UAV flying
overhead does not award a "high priority target point score" to me and
my evil typing habits. It used to be much more messy, remember Laos
and Cambodia and so many B52s?

Patrick Turner.