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Joakim Wendel wrote:
That NAIM CD is excellent i believe...

Still i will not accept Vinyl (the records) being a worse media than CD
but agree that the playback units all have different flaws EXCACTLY as
does the CD medium.

Your sentence above does not make sense. How can the playback units all
have different flaws EXACTLY as does the CD medium?

Are you comparing playback units vs CD medium? That's obviously a
meaningless comparison. Or are you really comparing vinyl vs CD as
media? How can the vinyl have different flaws EXACTLY as CD? Very
confusing. BTW, what are the flaws of the CD medium?
Yes, confusing i agree! The vinyl is a very good media, the typical
flaws of vinyl playback are f.e pops and clicks, rumble on the player
and IMHO a little muddier bass, none of which is on the media. The flaw
of the CD is brickwall filter removing all information above a certain
frequency, something that is not happening in real life, this to some
extent is audible on timbre of instruments and soundstaging allthough as
i said it's not all that bad if you have a really really good player.


The thing with vinyl is all older really good recordings still are no
less than great on a good vinyl - You NEED a really good player to enjoy
this if you are the little bit sensitive.

You seem to be saying that a good vinyl recording will sound good, if
the recording is good and played on good vinyl equipment. Not sure if
that's worth pointing out...
Yup, its worth noting that a mediocre LP player sounds awful.


The thing with CD is that there are zillions of STINKING recordings out
and LOTS of great ones too but you NEED a really good CD-player to
enjoy if You are the little bit sensitive for the typical CD flaws.

OK, are you saying that CD as a medium has flaws because of the zillions
of STINKING recordings out there? You seem to be confusing the
capability of a medium with bad recordings.
No, but a bad CD played on a bad CD-player will sound as awful as a bad
Vinyl on a bad vinyl player maybe even worse

And isn't it true that there are also zillions of STINKING vinyl
recordings out there? That and poorly manufactured vinyl discs?
Absolutely, this is not a flaw of the technique but lack of skill using
it.


Lets say we have a recording that is fantastic, (mastered for vinyl and
another master for CD) the Vinyl will display the flaws that are the
special weak spot of vinyl and the CD will maybe, maybe, maybe display
the special weak spot typical for CD.

What in your opinion is maybe "the special weak spot typical for CD"?
As i said, soundstage and timbre of instruments, timbre of voices etc,
not a big deal. (OTOH a weak spot is also that i find sloppier mastering
nowadays on CD compared to new vinyl, maybe most, but not all, mastering
for vinyl puts an extra effort in?)

I'd be happy with a NAIM CD-player and my Linn LP12 and a ELP for some
records... A REALLY happy listener of music!
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J.


Perhaps all you were trying to say is that there are good recordings and
there are bad recordings.

All i wanted to say is that the information stored on a well mastered
vinyl disc is excellent, the information on a CD is possibly good too
but lacks the info above the filter.
To be happy playing back these 2 media you'll need a player that matches
the level of your sensitivity. I find it useless to complain about the
vinyl, just as useless as saying there are no way to make a CD sound
good, there IS.
Different qualities, different problems.

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