nyob123 wrote
EddieM wrote
nyob123 wrote
EddieM wrote
nyob123 wrote
EddieM wrote



Sniipp and disgreed to all the things you said.
Feel free to repaste though.



So, on the final ask, why don't you now answer the question. And that
rather simple question is :


What if Michael Fremer carried out a Subjective Evaluation between two
two components of equal class in a local audio saloon over there in
L.A.
and, towards the end, he came to conclude that there was a positive
subtle difference between the two, could this mean that he's hearing
things ?

In the situation you describe, very likely, but again, the same would be
true for anyone doing that kind of listening.

YOU mean to tell me that if Mr. Sean Olive carried out a Subjective
Evaluation between two components of equal class over there at Harman
and that, towards the end, if he came to conclusion that there was a
positive subtle difference between the two then, according to you, he is
very likely hearing things ?


Now you are changing the situation. Earlier you said the situation would
be an audio "saloon", at least that was the case you set up for Fremer.


Changing ? You wish.

It's not a wish it's what you said just a few paragraphs ago:


What if Michael Fremer carried out a Subjective Evaluation between two
components of equal class in a local audio saloon over there in L.A.
and, towards the end, he came to conclude that there was a positive
subtle difference between the two, could this mean that he's hearing
things ?


And as I have pointed out below that he is still in the "saloon."



I'm referring to the level of ability when listening to discern subtle
difference. That is, about the function and the ability to hear itself
when using the ears to hear differences -- which does not change for any
Subjective "listening" Evaluation.

It can be influenced by various biases, which is why removing them and doing
a blind comparison, level matched, is best.


I am talking about the "acuity" of their "ability to discern" subtle
differences and NOT about the influence of various biases. That is,
the ability to discern do not change for any Subjective "listening"
Evaluation.



So if Michael Fremer carry out a subjective listening Evaluation at audio
"saloon" and detect positive subtle diff., he is very likely hearing
things.

But if Mr. Olive carrys out Subjective "listening" Evaluation at Harman
and detect positive subtle difference, he is likely to not hear things.


Could you describe to me the specific differences in their senses
leading you to validate that Michael Fremer is very likely hearing things?


Olive would not likely be doing any sighted evaluations himself. They tend
to use groups of trained listeners in blind comparisons.


I'm not asking you if whether Mr. Olive would still be doing Subjective
Evaluation himself or use a group of trained listener. I'm asking you to
describe the specific differences regarding their sense to detect.

I thought that was clear. Let me ask again (as I hope) to be equally precise:

What is/are the specific differences to their senses with regard to the
"ability itself" in detecting for sound differences -- leading you to
validate that Michael Fremer is very likely hearing things ?



What is Mr. Olive "doing" there at Harman that causes him to NOT hear
things ----------- if both him and Michael Fremer's "ability to detect"
has not change when carrying out Subjective Evaluation ?



I sniiiippp and disagree with all your comments hereafter.
But feel free to re-paste.


You disagree before I even respond? What a open minded guy you are.


I was referring to the comments you made below the part I snip.




I'm sorry if you don't like being told the truth. Feel free to continue
being the moron I always knew you were.


( You better pay attention to your position now because there is the
presence of imminent danger.)