Mind Stretchers
On 6/12/2012 7:09 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
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So, you have an epiphany that tells you those of use who prefer direct
radiating speakers are nuts, and reflected sound is the only way to have
realism, BUT you need other people to invest time, money, and energy into
exploring *if* you *may* be right about said epiphany?
I used no such terms. I explained the perceptual effects and correlated them
to radiation pattern etc.
No, the description is mine. You've provided no counterpoint to my
interpretation, however.
And, please, explain why you continue to avoid my simple direct question
about whether if you and I disagree about a system being realistic, is one
of us wrong? Could it be that you know full well that either way you
answer requires that you accept that individual preference is a prime
factor? And that, further, there can be no "paradigm" that explains the
whole theory of "correct" stereo reproduction unless you exclude
preference as a variable? Not *the* variable as you attempt to claim, but
a major variable.
Keith, Floyd Toole's entire career has been devoted to a series of studies
on listener preferences in various loudspeaker and rooms tests. The
assumption is that the more preferable speakers have some qualities that are
more correct w respect to reproduction.
Did I ask about Floyd Toole? No, I asked you a direct question and you
you dodge, weave, obfuscate, and refuse to answer. Why? Never mind, I
know why.
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This is essentially what I have been doing on an anecdotal basis for the
last 30 years, after I discovered somthing very significant about speaker
positioning.
In your opinion.
You say you have never heard of the hole in the middle effect, except from
me. That doesn't put you in a very good light, knowledge wise.
It puts you in a far worse light integrity-wise. You claimed that
audiophiles have complained for decades about this problem. I relayed
that I have not heard such complaints from any audiophiles except you.
Please quote anyone else in this group who has complained about this issue.
You say maybe
you prefer a boxy sound,
That, is a crock. You are being disingenuous and you know it. I have
taken great pains to disabuse you of such misperceptions yet you persist.
or that some people may prefer directional
speakers, and that sounds more like live to you. OK, fine. Dave Moran calls
it the "honking" effect, where the high frequencies narrow in their
radiation pattern as FR goes up.
And the relevance would be? Dave Moran is an arbiter of my preferences
and perceptions based upon...?
Sieffried Linkwitz asked the musical question straight out, which radiation
pattern, speaker positioning, and room treatments lead to greater realism in
the reproduction. I have been studying these factors for a long time, and
have given my anwers and a theory on why it works that way.
Yes you have. And we've debated that theory, only to have you become
more bellicose and confrontational as others have failed to accept your
theory, sans evidence or supporting theoretical construct. This is not
an effective means of persuasion.
If you say it is
no more than a preference one way or another,
You know what, Gary, it is clear you are going to continue to
misrepresent what others (at least I) say, repeatedly, no matter how
often you are corrected, and no matter how clear and unambiguous those
corrections are. You are not arguing a theory, you are pursuing a pogrom.
Since you refuse to pursue a forthright discussion, I'll devote no more
time to it.
Keith
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