Hey John,

If you are saying that either James T, Bill T, Sean D, or Roger P have any
real idea on these issue's, then let's all hear from them. I know you
won't as I am indeed "calling your bluff"

James T hasn't got a clue about anything except how to make something
cheaper ( and with less quality ). Bill T might have some idea about
Orion, but when pressed, he didn't even know what the filter cut-off slope
was for an Orion product. There is nothing Sean D can add because it is
100% clueless. Roger P is perhaps the one shining star, at least for the
PPI products as he began his career with PPI sanding raw heatsinks in
preparation for subsequent paint and silkscreen. Ask him.

John Andreen


John Durbin wrote:

No they weren't ... they have been buying heat sinks from outside
suppliers for many years. Many of them that would love to collect what
they were owed on the several occasions one company or the other in
Phoenix stiffed them.

Do you even remember wht Art series looked like? It has no fins, a
triangular shape at one edge and a circular roll at the opposite edge.
The top cover was white painted steel with pretty pictures painted on
it. I defy you to find me an Orion that has EVER looked like that.

The original GX amps had the same heat sink as the original HCCA,
predated them actually ... I know, I became an authorized dealer for the
brand in 1987. The GX were black with silver machined accent strips, and
the HCCA were a dark red with the same machined strips. They both used
phantom power DIN inputs, although RCA's were provided for use when you
weren't driving them with an Orion processor. There is a later GX
mechanical design, before it became the SX series and later Extreme stuff.

At the timethe GX came out, PPI was making such models as the 4030,
2075, that kind of stuff. They migrated to the longer, skinny models not
long afterwards - like the big surfboard stuff - 2200, 2350, those kind
of critters. When the Art series came out, it changed the mechanical
look 100% and was very different than anything anyone else in the US was
making or would make, before being replaced itself by the first-gen
PowerClass models in 1987. You are simly wrong in what you're saying -
and I will be glad to have one of the two surviving vice presidents of
Orion and Precision Power, or their amplifier parts procurement manager,
all of whom I work with daily, confirm that you're wrong. Or, you could
just let it go.

JD

Captain Howdy wrote:

Back in those days, Orion ampifier heatsinks were hand crafted, in their
Tempe AZ factory. The Orion GX line was out way before the PPI Art Series
line. The PPI Art Series line came out around the same time as the Orion
SX line of amplifiers. I'm not saying that PPI stole anything. What I am
saying is that they bough the GX line from Orion and repained them and
sold them as their early Art Series line. A short time after the Art
Series came out PPI changed the case to a finless rounded end heatsink
like the one found on the A100 and A200 amplifier. The next time that you
come across a PPI 2075AM, 4200AM or 2150M, take a close look and you'll
see what I mean.

Here is another inferesting fact that many people are unaware of, PPI used
to sell gear under the Phaze Audio name.






In article xcyzb.416545$Fm2.424716@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina"
wrote:


SO? Lots of companies get parts from the same vendors. And how do you
know it was PPI that stole anyone's design (assuming there was any
copying in the first place)?



Paul Vina