Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
Eeyore wrote:
Mr Fox wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:11:38 GMT, dizzy wrote:
Jenn wrote:
What reality have I denied and what have I made up, Arny?
You really should ignore him.
I don't know about that. Jenn doesn't seem to have to expend much
energy in these exchanges to get Krueger running around amd around his
little wheel.
LOL ! You're so right there.
Graham
A few days ago I felt like many sooner or later come to feel
about discussions with Arny the Indefatigable. " Oh, what the hell?
What is the point?" One can't help deciding that he is either
intellectually dishonest.to an nth degree or so paranoid that he feels
he is always under attack by malignant forces and so entitled to use
any weapon, however disgusting, to protect himself.
But now I'm encouraged by a man who shares his audio viewpoint,,
Eeyore, trying to talk sense to him.
So I'm transferring the argument from some 500 messages ago in the "
Kroobotgs feeble assault..." thread to he The discussion was about
analogue vs. digital. I said:
"I quoted to you repeatedly what D'Agostino of Krell,... ...
He interrupts :
"IMO, a well known technical charlatan with a good grasp of marketing
sizzle".
..... Meitner of Bryston and-Museatex...
Krueger: "See above".
..... and Stuart of Meridian
Krueger:interjects "A well-known advocate of digital audio".
had to say about one of your articles of faith; superiority of all digital to all analogue.
Krueger:
"Say what? That's just one more example of dozens, of your abilities to
substitute fantasy for reality, Ludo.
Got any more fairy tales to tell?
They said it publicly where anyone can read it.
Krueger:
"No links provided - good proof that Ludo is making this up as he goes
along."
He, Krueger, is calling *me* a liar!
Now note this: On August 26th '05 -*yes August 2005*- in the "A note
for Mikey" thread in RAO I quoted to our Krueger what I had said to him
once before in the RAHE in 2003.
.. D.Agostino says:, (The Stereophile, Dec.2003,p.78:
D'Agostino:"With DVD-audio and SACD, I think there is a
possibility of equaling vinyl"
Lander: You're not in the turntable business, and you do offer CD
players, but you've said that you *prefer vinyl to the CD*.
D'Agostino: *I still think vinyl is better*, but with the two formats
we're dealing with now, DVD-Audio and SACD, I think there's a
possibility of equaling vinyl-as soon as we decide not to stick with
our old methods of recording. I think we have to go back to the drawing
board as far as how we record SACDs, because I don't think their
potential has been realized.
Note!: just *a possibility*! .And with
SACD! Did not the RAO scientists + Krueger *prove* that SACD is no
better than CD while LP is infinitely worse.
Note!: D'Agostino designs highly respected *transistor* equipment
exclusively. No tubes , no TTs, no vinyl. But our Arny of RAO fame sees
fit to dismiss him as "technical charlatan" and me as a liar.
Not even paranoia justifies this.
Now for another one of Arny's "technical charlatans" high-end designer
Meitner. This one goes back to 2001, Dec 14. Yes, 2001!!.
In "Digital is bad for you" thread in RAHE I quoted to Arny from
Meitner interview in the." Positive feedback " 0802, 2001. Meitner
interviewed by Pappas said: :
"And if listening to music was considered as relaxation and was
supposed to be a way to relieve stress, then PCM, like CD playback,
certainly doesn't do it as well as some of the old analogue stuff
did."
" For sound quality, here's one simple test. I'm doing some
transfers of vinyl LPs onto DSD. And, you know, in DSD this is a
conversion with a minimal amount of damage to the original sound. If
you consider playing back vinyl and liking all the good things about
it, now we can have it in DSD format. We could possibly take some of
the clicks and pops out of it and still have the general good flavor
preserved. The same holds true for analogue tapes and any kind of
conversion"
That was in 2001. and 2005
In July of this year 2006 I said:in "Have we got the wrong end..." July
7
"It was not the first time I quoted D'Agostino to Arny either...
It turns out that Arny CAN read. He needs only five repeats to absorb
Agostino's name and.throw it back at me shouting hurrah.
I made his day because I said Krell instead of "D'Agostino's Krell".
Well. let's have it again: D'Agostino's Krell, D'Agostino's Krell,
D'Agostino's Krell. Eeny, meenie, miny Arny.
And now that we've played children' games how about demonstrating one
is not a schoolyard dunce after all and addressing our powerful mind to
task at hand:
1) Did those two designers ( with many other authorities, not of the
RAO tribe) say that digital has not as yet caught up with analogue
rendition of music or did they not?
2) When will we see that one reference to a professional journal (Name,
year, authors, title, page) that accepted and published the results of
...
....Arny Krueger's research into anything audio: ABX, superiority of
digital, anything, anything at all."
This is the man who dares to talk of my "fairy tales"
Should I repeat all this to him more frequently? Every year? Every
six months? Whatever he may want. I'll oblige.
Ludovic Mirabel
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