"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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The context was clearly stated at the beginning of the
post that I replied to:
"Vinyl basically died in less than 10 years.
Which was falsely corrected by the following statement:
" Ignoring the previous 80 years of course."
The official date of the invention of the phonograph
was 1877, but that wasn't when the vinyl LP was
invented.
But as YOU correctly point out, YOU never said LP, and
Dick correctly states vinyl dates from 1872!
Actually, I said:
"If it existed in some lab, there still weren't any
production
quantities of it. Vinyl as a production product was a
product of the U.S. synthetic rubber program of WW2."
Nope, that was later and still wrong.
Prove it. Show that there were a variety of mainstream products made of
vinyl prior to WW2.
Note for example that the patent for vinyl electrical tape was applied for
in 1946:
"Experiments were conducted combining new plasticizers with the white,
flour-like vinyl resin. Finally, in January 1946, inventors Snell, Oace, and
Eastwood of 3M applied for a patent for a vinyl electrical tape with a
plasticizer system and non-sulfur-based rubber adhesive that were
compatible. The first commercially available version of the tape was sold
for use as a wire-harness wrapping."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_tape
Also note the following in the same article:
"In the early 1940s, vinyl plastic emerged as a highly versatile material
for a wide range of applications, from shower curtains to cable insulation.
Making it work for tape, however, was a different story."
What the article doesn't say is that the emergence of vinyl products in the
early 1940s was almost entirely funneled into the war effort. For example
there was no production of automobiles or airplanes for any purpose but the
war.
Vinyl LPs are very different products than the
predecessor 78 rpm technology, in my view.
You are welcome to it. Most others would disagree the
*technology* was all that different though.
The results were very different. The means were evolutionary at their core,
but their implementation fostered other significant changes in actual
practice. For example magnetic cartridges and electronic amplification had
been around for decades, but the vinyl LP finally sent acoustical playback
packing.
And I still claim acetate 78's etc. were similar
technology to microgroove LP's, whilst CD digital
technology was completely new.
While 78s can be made to sound good, in general the ones
that were sold to consumers in the day were poor
sounding even under ideal conditions, and were usually
played on fairly crude equipment. Acoustic playback was
not unusual. The playing time per side sucked. LPs
pretty well forced electronic playback to become the
rule and allowed at least one movement of a classical
piece per side.
You really are clutching at straws Arny to try and
justify your statement : "Vinyl basically died in less
than 10 years"
That's the one I disputed, and still do. You have still
provided no clarification or justification that would
make it correct.
MrT.