S888Wheel wrote:
From: chung
Date: 7/7/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: 8m2Hc.40996$a24.23645@attbi_s03
S888Wheel wrote:
From: "Dennis Moore"
Date: 7/6/2004 8:55 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:
Got to say amen goFab,
Stereophile would have had one notable review if I had been
writing one on the most expensive amp. If it were an inexpensive
product, I would simply say it broken. If it had been this one
for $350K and it was apparent they meant it to be this way,
the review would have redefined the term scathing.
That is your POV. I find it interesting that you would take such a POV
without
actually listening to the product.
I don't think an amp that clips at 2W is worth listening, too. Of
course, some may like the clipped sound, I guess.
Maybe not. But you are making presumptions without actually listening.
How am I making presumptions? If the measurements show that the amp
clips at a low output voltage, then the amp will distort at low output
voltages. Are you saying that I may like the clipped sound?
I believe I recall some part of the review mentioned, "a listening
experience like no other, a way of hearing the music different
than any other".
It went on to say that it was like no other in that it sounded so much more
like live unamplified music. Some people like that.
Yeah, but the fact that someone may like it does not mean that it is not
necessarily bad.
It does for that person and anyone else who has a similar response.
There's no accounting for taste.
I thought taste was considered subjective by objectivists.
And your point being?
Are you now saying
that MF may simply have inferior taste?
"Simply"? It is obvious that someone who can rave about the wonderful
sound of an amp that clips at 2W has, uh, unconventional, taste.
I should think so, considering the broken
manner it was operating most of the time.
Broken? It was not operating as it was designed to operate? to me, broken
means
it doesn't work as it is supposed to work or not at all.
If as goFab says, the rated power is 150W/ch and it clips at 2W, it's
broken. It certainly is not working as it's supposed to.
Or they are not giving straight info on the power rating.
You mean as in lying?
All amps clip at a
certain point.
You buy an amp that is rated at 150W. You find out that it clips at less
than 1/10 of that. It sounds (pun inteneded) broken to me.
Doesn't mean they are broken. Even if their power output is
grossly misrepresented by the marketing.I'm not really clear about this
clipping issue though. The amp is clipping at 2 watts? The sort of clipping
that can damage speakers? I thought clipping was what happened when the signal
exceeds the amps output cpacity and the wave is cut off before it gets to it's
apex? Is that not what clipping is? Is this really happening at 2 watts?
I am glad that now you are realizing the enormity of the problem....