Chung wrote:
wrote:
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On 19 Apr 2005 23:54:39 GMT, wrote:
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
Heads up now, what really launched CD into
the mass market was *classical* music listeners, i.e. people
who
live
with live music.
Stewert gets his facts wrong again. What really launched CD into
the
masss market was the availablity of portable CD players and car
CD
players. The classical music listeners are very much a niche
market
that barely impact the commercial scene over all. By the way,
many
classical music lovers do not spend much time with live music.
This comes from a guy who has just attempted to tell someone who
*owns* a grand piano, what sustained notes from it sound
like......
What does Chungs inability to recognize that a sustained note from
a
live piano is not solifd but cmplex and constantly changing in
tone?
Does it make my true statement a false one? Where is your logic?
Well, you choose to mis-interpret Chung's statement in a way that you
could attack Chung's ability to listen. Despite the subsequent
clarification by Chung. One would think that this is a display of
your
tendency to argue on semantics, and to burn the strawman.
The statement that "many classical music lovers do not spend much
time
with live music" is patently false.
Absolute balony. One need only look at concert ticket sales to see
this.
Most classical music lovers I know
of play instruments, attend concerts and recitals, and a lot them
have
children who play classical music.
Well that is a sound scientific rebutal of my claim. Not.
Out of curiosity, do you consider the jazz music market a "niche
market
that barely impact the commercial scene overall"?
Unfortunately, yes. Are you aware of the sales being done in the music
industry?
Unfortunately for Wheeler, he doesn't get to write history books,
and
the plain *facts* of the matter are that CD sales in the first two
years were below predictions, until the word began to spread among
classical music lovers that this new medium simply did not suffer
from
wow and flutter (which, contrary to Wheeler's bizarre opinion, are
horribly destructive of solo piano music), and had such low
background
noise that all kinds of musical subtleties became noticeable,
which
had previously been swamped by surface noise. It was the classical
market which dragged CD out of the red in the early years, and
everyone but you is well aware of this - ask any record store
owner
who was in business in the '80s, or of course go straight to RIAA
sales archives.
Fortunately for audiophiles Pinkerton does not get to rewrite
history.
The *fact* is that CD sales took off exactly when portable CD
players
and car CD players became widely available at affordable prices.
Fortunately for people who enjoy CDs the success of that medium was
driven by somethging more than a niche market like classical music.
Certainly portable players and car players helped to boost
volumes,
but note that they did not become widespread (especially car
players),
until well after CD was firmly established.
Wrong.
You are wrong, CD displaced vinyl several years before the widespread
use of portable players and car players.
Now you are ridiculously wrong. Lps were never displaced by CD in the
first place. They were displaced by cassettes and for the very same
reason. Portability and car play.
As early as 1989, CD's already
outsold vinyl LP's by a ratio of 2.7 to 1.
In 1989 Cd was still not the dominant medium for music consumption.
Nice try. Funny, It had been on the market for six years by then.
Funny, when it did become the dominant medium it was when car players
and portable CD players did become common and affordable.
In 1989, portable and car CD
players were not in widespread use. For home audio, CD became the
dominant medium as early as in the mid-to-late 80's.
Guess again. Actually dont guess, just look at sales.
Of course, for
mobile audio, CD did not replace cassette until mobile CD players
became
popular in the mid-90's.
Sorry Stewert. You don't know what people were doing with their
cassettes. We can look at sales. Sales support my claim not yours.
Wouldn't you call a medium that outsold vinyl LP 2.7 to 1 "firmly
established"?
Seems you are now trying to change the subject.
Scott Wheeler