"S888Wheel" wrote in message
news:MtmIc.58267$MB3.50681@attbi_s04...
From: (Nousaine)
Date: 7/10/2004 10:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: mm4Ic.66433$XM6.20336@attbi_s53

(S888Wheel) wrote:

From: chung

...snip to content.... That is your POV. I find it interesting that
you
would take such a POV
without
actually listening to the product.

I don't think an amp that clips at 2W is worth listening, too. Of
course, some may like the clipped sound, I guess.

Maybe not. But you are making presumptions without actually
listening.

How am I making presumptions?

You said you don't think the amp in question is worth listening to
without
listening to it. I find that a bit presumptuous.

This attitude is typical of another high-end platitude "You are
unqualified
to
comment on a product that you've never listened to."

Well, I suppose some people are comfortable forming opinions about sound
they
haven't heard. I'm not one of those people.

This is simply another
merchandising technique to forestall critical comment.

No. I am not involved in merchandising. I simply don't like to make
presumptions that you seem to be comfortable making. I am surprised that
some
one who has spent so much time decrying audiophiles who let their biases
affect
there purchasing decisions would so easily fall victim to his own biases.

It assumes that there
are special evaluative qualities which only high-end promoters (including
buyers) possess. And only insiders can have access.

No it doesn't. It presumes that the listening experience is the final
arbitrator of quality. For many of us that is the purpose of the hobby. To
listen. There is nothing wrong with being more interested in measurements
than
listening pleasure if that is what intersts you. To each his own.

A false choice. Those of us concerned with what the measurements reveal are
interested in them BECAUSE they relate to better listening, at least for us.
The hobby is still called high-fi and that has a meaning. Anything that
gets us closer to the intent of the artist by removing distortion, noise,
compression, or whatever might be hiding the choices made by the artist and
the engineer is a benefit. I don't really care about other preferences,
they are yours and you're welcome to them, but if they include things like
flawed playback devices, they are LOWER-fi.