no useful info wrote:

Neal,
Very well put. I did not mean to convey that meaningless positivism is
a point of good parenting. But what I got from the thread, with all the male
rage that came out, was that the emphasis is on the wrong thing. Perhaps I
would feel differently if I had been witness to more difficult children.

There was not a single use of the word "love" in the thread.

the entire origination was about punishment. So, that was what was dealt
with.