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Default Bought a new cell-phone/MP3 player, a Blackberry 8300

Funny story, I ended up returning the Blaclberry for a host of reasons.
First, IT DID echo as you predicted and I DID NOT want to spend the
ridiculous amount of money Alpine wants for a Bluetooth adaptor. For
instance, I COULD spend $200 so I wouldn't need that extra Sirius Sportster
device, my Alpine 9855 would be my SAT radio reciever and have NEARLY all
the functionality of the Sportster. BUT WHY?!?!?!?!?! The Sportster has a
larger screen, 60 minutes worth of digital recording capability so I can
pause songs, replay them later, ect. The ONLY reason to buy it is to reduce
the clutter of devices mounted on my dash, but who the hell cares? Frankly,
the more displays, the more info.

In fact, that is still why I frequently use my portable DVD mounted on the
top of my dash (you can see pictures of it on Car Domain) becaue although
discs generally SUCK (they skip, the laser lense gets dirty, ect) because I
can display 30 songs at once and skip through pages of songs to find the one
I want, rather than skipping through one at a time. For this reason alone,
I still use DVD's for MP3's quite often, although I have an 8 gig nano.
When they come out with a portable DVD player with a 8-10" screen that has
an SD card input, NOW THAT will be something I will likely buy as I will be
able to combine the reliability of large capacity (8-16 gig) flash memory
with a large screen to display lists of songs at once to choose from.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT. Again, remember, I am a surfer when it comes to music
and anything that helps me display and scroll through large quantities of
titles is what I really like AND WANT. But I also LOVE flash memory as dics
are so DAMN unreliable, especially in an automotive environment where they
are often thrown around and you have extreme heat and cold effecting the
discs. I would love to do away with discs altogether and it is ONLY the
large screen size that keeps me still making MP3 DVD's.

Anyway, I returned the Blakcberry as I just found my good, old fashion nano
easier to use and my old phone works fine. I realized why buy a product I
will not be using most of the features (Bluetooth, Internet, Games, Planner,
ect.). The ONLY thing it had going for it was it's MP3 player that would
stop the song when a call came in, BUT I OWN 3 FLASH MP3 PLAYERS ALREADY AND
A GOOD, RELIABLE LG phone.

So it's gone, that's that. Frankly, your advice had MUCH to do with my
decision as the echo thing was ridiculous and I don't mind using the single
wire earpiece, microphone my LG has. It is NOT worth spending $200 on an
Alpine Bluetooth adaptor.

So that's that.

Nick



And the main reason, I'M CHEAP!!!!!!

"Mister.Lull" wrote in message
...
Well you'll be happy to know that the Alpine attachment will (well,
should) cancel out the feedback!

My problem was using a bluetooth device that didn't integrate with the
HU at all (except of course to plug in for sound), and therefore
couldn't recognize any sound to cancel out. The attachments that
fully interface with a deck are specifically designed to make sure
that my problem doesn't happen. :-)

Let's hear that sigh of relief!

~Mister.Lull

On Jun 9, 4:12 pm, "MOSFET" wrote:
So there's a heads-up for you,
if you want to connect your new phone to your stereo, make sure that
there's some sort of feedback cancellation.

Wow, thanks for the heads-up. That's EXACTLY what I was thinking when I
bought the phone, a call comes in, pauses my music, press one button and
my
stereo becomes my cell-phone speaker. Now I haven't transferred my service
over to the phone yet (I just got it), I have just been playing with all
the
other stuff the phone can do like downloading apps and trasnferring my
music
to it. Unlike my sister-in-law's Samsung phone (the model number escapes
me, but it's fancy too with querty keyboard and she can surf the net and
send Emails with it), the Blackberry has a 3.5" output so it works
perfectly
as my new in-car MP3 player (I wouldn't have bought it if it didn't have a
3.5" headphone output). So I, like you, imagined being able to integrate
my
cell-phone with my stereo, I hadn't thought about the feedback issue but
you're right, that's something to consider. For instance, I hate it when
you're talking to someone on a cell-phone and they have you on "speaker",
most phones do not take the feedback problem into account and you hear
yourself 1/2 second after you've said something, making talking very
difficult (for a while I thought this was due to problems with the cell
connection until I finally figured out what was going on and needless to
say
I now ask anyone I talk to to turn the speakerphone function off).

But man, I hadn't even considered that this very problem could now be mine
as well. I've never in the past considered integrating my cell-phone with
my stereo as you have to buy a Bluetooth adaptor for my Alpine and so on.
If I get calls in my car, I just use the single cord ear-piece/microphone
my LG came with. You have no idea how many calls I have missed when I have
my stereo cranked. It annoys my wife to no end.

So like you, the idea of integrating my MP3 player and stereo with my
phone
was part of what made the Blackberry so attractive to me. I mean, I will
use the planner and perhaps some of the other apps but I am not planning
on
paying to connect to the internet, I just don't forsee needing to send or
recieve emails to anyone so badly that I can't simply wait until I get
home.
I mean, I think it's cool that the feature is there and I know my
sister-in-law uses her new Samsung all the time to surf the net and send
Emails, but her computer is not connected to the net and she is rarely at
home, so it makes perfect sense for her to have on-the-go internet access.

In going through the owner's manual, I don't see anything that would
indicate the Blackberry has any type of feedback supression. Hmmmm.....
Once I'm connected (I'm waiting for a Cingular SIM card I bought over the
Internet, I know I could get one for free if I commited to some kind of
plan, but I hate being tied down like that) I will see if that's a problem
for me as well, my hunch is that it will be. Oh well, at least I won't
miss
calls anymore as this is my permenant MP3 player and MP3's are all I
listen
to. But it sounds like I probably won't be able to use my stereo as my
phone "output" as I hoped, I'll have to work something else out. You're
right, I'm sure that's not exactly how they designed the phone to work in
the car (they assume you'll use Bluetooth in some manor like a cordless
earpiece or the cheap non-Bluetooth simple corded ear-piece/microphone
like
I use now).

Besides turning the volume down and moving the microphone, how else do you
deal with that problem as I will no doubt have the same issue?

I actually have NEVER used the shuffle feature of ANY music device I have
ever owned in my entire life. I am the type who seems to always want to
hear a particular song NOW (or at least a particular genera of music,
NOW).
MANY years ago I used to always be changing CD's, like I always was
putting
a CD in to hear one single song, then putting in another and so on. Today
I
have my music broken up into about 10 directories (catagories of music) so
I
don't have to shuffle through a thousand songs to hear the one I want
(this
is how I have done it for at least 10 years now, first on a collection of
several CD's (each a different genera), then directories on a single DVD
when I got a DVD burner, and then later directories on my flash drive MP3
players) and I am always forwarding or reversing to hear a particular
song.
So a problem with the shuffle function will clearly not be a problem for
me.

But like I said I'm concerned about this feedback issue and am curious how
I
can still integrate my stereo with my phone, avoid Bluetooth (as I don't
want to spend $150 on an Alpine Bluetooth adaptor), but not annoy those on
the other end with feedback. Hmmmm...... Ideas?

Nick