On Mar 31, 3:37*am, Patrick Turner wrote:
On Mar 30, 10:49*pm, "Watt? Me worry?" wrote:
On Mar 29, 2:20 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:34 pm, Patrick Turner wrote:
Its a little known fact that one may take advantage of the UL
connection even when you don't like to.
Most ppl think the UL connection for EL34 always means 43% screen
taps.
This % was always regarded as optimal because triode like THD is
achieved and Rout reduced to give Rout = RL. But this was mainly for
class AB PP amps.
With pure class A1 PP amps or SE class A1 amps there is no reason why
ppl should not use UL taps at 75% of the P turns.
One might say well the triode connection is the best but you'll only
get about 6W from an EL34 in triode. The power output is rarely more
than 27% of power input because the Ea minimum swing is restricted by
the onset of grid current. But when you look at the load lines you can
see that one could swing a bit further if you had the tube in pentode
and get 9W from 24W of idle power.
Well, To get the swing you need, try screen taps up to 75%.
The Ra will then be about 2k which is not much above triode Ra of
1,250 ohms.
And RL can be say about 5k, so the DF is still OK, and linearity
virtually equal to triodes.
I have tried this trick in conjunction with CFB windings where the CFB
= 12.5% and UL taps are at 62.5% of the total P turns. If the OPT has
5K:5 ohm ratio, you get Rout = 1.1 ohm.
Overall gain is then like a 300B, about 4.5, Va-k divided by Vg-0V.
About 48Vrms to the grid is needed for clipping.
I get 8.5W with Ea = 350V, Ia + Ig2 = Ik = 66mA. Distortion is
virtually all 2H until near clipping.
Patrick Turner.
Clever, this, Patrick, for those who can wind their own iron. Those of
us who have buy our iron out of a catalogue have to be satisfied with
half your power. From
http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/...0ON%20AMPS.htm
we have this simple SE EL34 integrated linestage built with only
three valves (envelopes, actually, as there are in total four valves)
to drive an efficient speakers (also shown at the above site):
http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/...L34-SEntry.jpg
More power to your arm, pal.
Andre Jute
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Hi RATs!
Yes, trying to make it loud using the amplifier is just another way to
waste as much time and money as is available 
Power output is measured using a steady signal, either Sin wave or
white noise. A constant signal allows accurate measurement.
Music is, at least in the olden times, was, not a constant signal.
This is where the two major politcal parties of the audio arena
diverge. Do we want accurate information or beautiful Music. Both
sides assume they know the truth. We will never know the truth. We are
human, not smart 
My EL34 amp was UL, factory. It is now triode, with a diode and an R
between Plate and Screen. The Z of the OPT is now much greater than
optimal for max power output. It does sound really good
Hi Al,
What ya hiding here with this business of a DIODE plus screen stopper
resistor between anode and screen???
Just wtf does the diode actually do, in your own words, in your own
time?
Patrick Turner.
And the classic EL34/6CA7 has been replaced by 6BQ6-GTB, further
reducing power output. Oh, the horror 8*P
It does sound really, really good.
None of us knows everything, but, some of us just do whatever sounds
"nice".
Life ain't a Force March for everyone, some of us Samba.
Ole!
Happy Ears!
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Yeah, I wondered about Al's wildly placed (artistic?) diode, then
decided to say nothing. Who knows, April Fool's Day may come early in
Tube Garden Time. Hell, hi-fi is so wild and wonderful, Al might
actually have discovered The One True Faith. However that may be, I
was going to leave it to you or John to be the first to say anything
-- and perhaps look like curmudgeons when the Nobel Prize Committee
calls at La Casa Marcy... Or maybe that will be the I. G. Noble Prize
Committee. Has it caught fire yet, Al?
Andre Jute
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. --H.H.Munro
("Saki")(1870-1916)
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for the tube audio constructor"
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containing vital gems of wisdom"
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