On 6 Oct 2005 02:40:34 GMT, "Harry Lavo" wrote:

Theories about what is wrong, and possibly why, first. Once you have a
theory, it can be tested. That's what Mark and Michael have provided. Then
come the tests. You simply reject the possible theory, because it threatens
the tests you believe in. That is called faith, not science.

You have it completely back-asswards. First come the *observations*,
then the theory to account for those observations. We have *zero*
observations on which to base any theory. We do however have perfectly
good explanations for why people *think* they hear differences when
none exist.

On the other hand, those of you who have swiped abx testing from audiometric
research have never validated it for your intended use of it...and such
validation is essential because of the questions Mark and Michael raise (and
I and others before them).

It is validated every day - that you don't agree with this does not
alter tha facts of the matter. If you had any real interest in the
subject, you would attempt to make some observations in support of
your own philosophy, instead of mere armchair speculation such as is
indulged in by Mark and Michael.

Moreover, the Oohashi test provided a glimmer of
evidence that results are different between monadic testing of musical
segments with after the fact reporting, and short-snippet, quick-switch
testing without adequate time for emotional reaction to register nor musical
context to be established.

A glimmer, but totally uncorroborated.

There is no reason an open scientific mind couldn't accept the possibility
that Mark and Michael are correct, and work to help test the hypothesis by
beginning to think/talk about ways to confirm or deny the theory/hypothesis.
That unfortunately has not been the reaction here.

Actually, an open scientific mind is always on the lookout for
unexplained observations - thereby lies fame and the Nobel Prize!
However, Mark , Michael and you offer mere speculation which flies in
the face of all the well-known, well-reasoned and well-supported
reasons for things being as they are. There is nothing for an open
mind to investigate - unless it is so open that the brain has fallen
out.

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering