Yes they do have pretty large Xmax stroke (=more dbs), but their ts
params and light cone materials make for some great SQ subs as well.
Ive never heard an ED or Treo first hand, so I really cant comment, but
have a low/loud reputation as well.

Garrett

Steve Grauman wrote:

Not sure what your budget is, but check the adire shiva or DPL12,
although I think both are considerably more $$$ than the pioneer.
Dayton titanic series are also great IMHO.

Aren't those all SPL subs? And where do Elemental and Treo fall in?