Re: WTB: good 12-16 channel mixer around $500

[Roger W. Norman]

None of us are getting any younger. Believe me, with the work on my patio
slowing to a crawl, I know what I'm talking about! <g>

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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

301-585-4681




"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
news:znr1056976218k@trad...
>
> In article >
writes:
>
> > glad that i can always count on mike to add some entertaining
> > condescension to a thread.
>
> Thank you, thank you, we'll be here all week.
>
> > try watching ebay mike, i see the models i
> > mentioned in my original thread go at this price point on a monthly to
> > weekly basis.
>
> Did you read into my message? If you want to buy a half price console
> on eBay and then fight with crackly pots and intermittent switches,
> plus never really know how good it could sound until you start
> replacing capacitors, go ahead and save your money.
>
> > please try to add something useful to the conversation
> > or leave this inconsequential thread alone.
>
> OK. Keep what you have until you can really afford something that you
> know is better. When it comes to something with as many points of wear
> as an analog console, brand name is just one way of telling them
> apart. What works, what doesn't work, what doesn't work that you can
> live without, and what doesn't work that you'll need to get fixed is
> at least as important. That's the best advice I can give anyone, any
> time, for anything.
>
> > i'm in
> > the process of trying to get ahold of hank alrich (a matter which you
> > actually helped me out on) who's trying to sell a 16 channel
> > soundcraft 200b for $500.
>
> If it's from Hank, you'll know what you're getting. If anything isn't
> right that he hasn't gotten around to fixing, he'll tell you about it.
> If you were buying from a random eBay seller, even one with a "good"
> feedback rating, you're taking a chance.
>
> By the way, if Hank is selling his Soundcraft 200, it's because he's
> found that his Mackie (or, in the studio, his ProTools system) does as
> good a job FOR HIM as the Soundcraft, and is 50 pounds lighter. He's
> not getting any younger, you know.
>
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers - )

[Nathan Hall]

(Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:<znr1056976218k@trad>...
> In article > writes:
> Did you read into my message? If you want to buy a half price console
> on eBay and then fight with crackly pots and intermittent switches,
> plus never really know how good it could sound until you start
> replacing capacitors, go ahead and save your money.

i would rather have something that could use a bit of contact cleaner
and eventually a recapping that provides a "better" to my ears sound
than the typical cheaply made ic based mixers that i refferred to
earlier.

> OK. Keep what you have until you can really afford something that you
> know is better.

problem is, i don't have anything right now. the last record i did was
with a rented spirit fx16, and i wouldnt mind a little step up in
quality.

> By the way, if Hank is selling his Soundcraft 200, it's because he's
> found that his Mackie (or, in the studio, his ProTools system) does as
> good a job FOR HIM as the Soundcraft, and is 50 pounds lighter. He's
> not getting any younger, you know.

apparently he has a 24 channel 8 buss allen & heath now, which i would
fully expect to take over the soundcraft's duties. do a google search
and you'll find him talking about how much better the 200b sounds than
a mackie. on that note, i'm still waiting to hear from him about this,
so hank if you're reading this please drop me an email. thanks

[makeitfunky]

Nathan Hall wrote:
>
> i'm looking to buy a mixer as soon as possible, with the following
> preffered features: good sounding preamps (read: better than
> mackie/soundcraft spirit), good sounding semi-parametric eq, 4 buss,
> +4 op. level, direct outs, fully functional condition, and modularity
> would be a plus. some models i've been trying to find on ebay without
> much luck are: soundcraft 200b and 400b, amek tac, allen & heath
> sr424, soundtracs. if anyone has any other suggestions in this price
> range, feel free to drop me a line. thanks.


Zoom seemingly has the MRS-802CD-Digital Multitrack with CD-R/RW it's a
12 track mixer that has 2 dedicated tracks for drums and it's around
$500 + US. I'm not sure how good it is or what the critics have
to say about it, but it does look interesting.

http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1687&brandID=4

FWIW,
makeitfunky

[Nathan Hall]

"Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message >...
> I mean, look at the requirements for the initial query. Hell, my Solo was
> close to $10k new and it barely meets them.

i'm just going on real life economics and trying to get a good deal.
regardless of why, older consoles with decent features in good shape
are going for a fraction of what they cost new. whether it's digital
technology or streamlined production techniques for newer mixers, i'm
just glad to be getting into this at a time when deals like this do in
fact exist.

[Peter B.]

(Nathan Hall) wrote in message >...

>
> > By the way, if Hank is selling his Soundcraft 200, it's because he's
> > found that his Mackie (or, in the studio, his ProTools system) does as
> > good a job FOR HIM as the Soundcraft, and is 50 pounds lighter. He's
> > not getting any younger, you know.
>
> apparently he has a 24 channel 8 buss allen & heath now, which i would
> fully expect to take over the soundcraft's duties. do a google search
> and you'll find him talking about how much better the 200b sounds than
> a mackie. on that note, i'm still waiting to hear from him about this,
> so hank if you're reading this please drop me an email. thanks


Hey Nathan,
Hold out for the 200b from Hank. I just recently picked one up for
$500 (16ch)at a local garage sale. I was looking at an old victrola
for sale and it sparked a conversation about audio. Before I knew it
the previous owner and I were opening up a road case to go over the
console. I'm very happy with it. It's comparable in functions to a
16ch mackie give and take a few. On eBay there are some going for less
than $500 but I'd gladly pay an extra $100 to check it out and talk to
the owner in person about it's history. It sounds great to. The EQ is
a lot of fun to use. I have feeling that if I put the SoundCraft EQ's
inside a mackie, the mackie would burst into flames. $500/16ch works
out to $31.25 a channel. Excellent value. Don't worry about the
console being a little older. The parts inside are very easy to get to
if need be. The layout is very straightforward. The alps faders are
nice and if they ever wore out you could replace them with P&G faders.
Might be overkill but I'm just trying to point out how easy the
console is to take care of. There are mods that can be done to improve
noise specs. I haven't gotten to these yet (too many other projects in
line first).

Yes, decent recordings can and have been made on mackies. I've done a
few and so have many other people. Despite my comment about the EQ I'm
not looking to start a war here. I've just found getting a good to
sound to come much easier with the SoundCraft. With the Mackie there
is a lot of 'searching' to find the sonic sweet spot of the board.
Working with the SoundCraft it seems like I have a good sound in the
console right off the bat and it's up to me not to screw it up.

Just my opinions... nothing more, nothing less...

Peter

[Nathan Hall]

(ThePaulThomas) wrote in message >...
> What part of the country are you in?

louisville, ky

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

Roger W. Norman > wrote:

> None of us are getting any younger.

Shows what you know. I'm at least twice as young as I used to be. Or
twice as childish, anyhow.

ulysses

[Roger W. Norman]

Yeah, but in some cases you're talking penny wise and pound foolish. Unless
you know what shape the unit is in you could be talking about serious
restoration work. Noisy pots and faders, caps needing replacement, etc.
Plus, you still have some pretty strong requirements for $500. I'm not
saying it's impossible, just highly improbable. Particularly in getting
good mic pres, musical EQ and good routing. I wasn't kidding when I said I
had to spend some serious good bucks for something like you're describing.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

301-585-4681




"Nathan Hall" > wrote in message
m...
> "Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message
>...
> > I mean, look at the requirements for the initial query. Hell, my Solo
was
> > close to $10k new and it barely meets them.
>
> i'm just going on real life economics and trying to get a good deal.
> regardless of why, older consoles with decent features in good shape
> are going for a fraction of what they cost new. whether it's digital
> technology or streamlined production techniques for newer mixers, i'm
> just glad to be getting into this at a time when deals like this do in
> fact exist.

[Nathan Hall]

"Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message >...
> Yeah, but in some cases you're talking penny wise and pound foolish. Unless
> you know what shape the unit is in you could be talking about serious
> restoration work. Noisy pots and faders, caps needing replacement, etc.
> Plus, you still have some pretty strong requirements for $500. I'm not
> saying it's impossible, just highly improbable. Particularly in getting
> good mic pres, musical EQ and good routing. I wasn't kidding when I said I
> had to spend some serious good bucks for something like you're describing.

the subject of thread reads "around $500," meaning that i'd like to
see offers up to around $800 or so, but to me $500 would be an optimal
deal. also i listed preferred features, not required.