Re: People that have or do listen to both Vinyl and Cd: Basicsurvey/poll [Archive]

Bruce J. Richman

August 5th 03, 09:27 PM

Krueger decides, as his obnoxious custom, to generate one of his usual idiotic
personal attacks:

>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

>
>> A very good question. Especially so, given the fact that neither
>> poster reporting a preference for vinyl thus far, has said anything
>> about how their system is "balanced" (a term not defined btw by the
>> poster making this unsupported claim).
>
>Obviously Richman, you can't read. I guess that Ideologically-Induced
>Reading Comprehension Syndrome (IIRCS) have returned to RAO despite the
>apparent exit of Singh.
>

Your stupidity has once again been demonstrtated, Krueger. One can always
count on you to demonstrate your inability to make ssnse. Perhaps you and your
buddy, Timmy Brown, can find true happiness together as you go about your
merry, hatemongering ways.

Now, since you decided to exhibit your usual deceptive deletion and selective
editing of what you wrote and I wrote in response, I guess I'll just have to
rub your snout in the dirt in which you live again:

Here's the original post from the compulsive liar, Krueger:

Message-id: >

"Max Holubitsky" > wrote in message

>> 1) When listening to music, what format do you listen to more often,
>> every time, etc.?
>
> LP - 45%
> CD - 45%
> Open reel, internet radio, FM, Digital cable radio, cassette, etc -
> 10%
>
>> 2) What are the TWO primary differences you hear between the two (If
>> you do not hear any or the differences are very subtle, please say
>> so)?
>
> CD - better dynamic range, less background noise, flatter frequency
> response
> LP - can listen to longer without "listening fatigue", which makes up
> for most of its technical shortcomings on a day to day basis, for me.

Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

<end of post by Krueger>

As can be seen, Krueger did NOT say anything here about his preference for
CD's. He, quite predictably like the anti-vinyl bigot he has proven to be many
times on RAO, just made a stupid, illogical and undocumented smear against
vinyl, and by extension, Mr. Holubitsky's response to the original poster's
question re. preference. One can always count on Krueger to attack personally
those who favor vinyl. The Google record will also demonstrate that he has
long history of making personal attacks against those who prefer vinyl.

To continue with the illustration of the compulsive liar, Krueger's, juvenile
attempt to misrepresent what I wrote so that he could personally attack it,
below is the response to Krueger's response above:

Dr. Richman said:

Hans wrote:

>"Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
>
>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>>
>>
>"I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
>formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses (no
>debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an analysis
>of the two formats). This is purely subjective and extremely
>appreciated by me for those that complete the following two questions:"
>
>
>Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above text?
>
>/ Hans
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A very good question. Especially so, given the fact that neither poster
reporting a preference for vinyl thus far, has said anything about how their
system is "balanced" (a term not defined btw by the poster making this
unsupported claim).

<end of my post>

So once again, the compulsive liar and deceptive editor of posts, Krueger, has
been caught. The following points are obvious:

(1) Krueger's name was never mentioned by me in the post in which he smeared
both Mr. Holubitsky and his preference for vinyl playback.

(2) Krueger repeated the same unsolicited personal attack and anti-vinyl smear
against Scott (who posts as s888wheel).

(3) In no case was there ANY evidence that either of their systems is
"balanced" towards vinyl playback prersented.

(4) The compulsive liar, Krueger presented no evidence to support his personal
attacks against both of the above posters.

(5) The deceptive editor, Krueger, once again deliberately deleted what I wrote
and tried to misrepresent what I said so he could provide another personal
attack.
In so doing, he succeeded in doing nothing but to demonstrate his well-known
stupidity, lack of honesty, and compulsive need to attack one of his many
"enemies" (a list that grows ever-longer as more and more people disagree with
this odious, paranoid hatemonger).

(6) Krueger demonstrates both how arrogant and stupid he is to believe that he
can get away with such transparent and fraudulent misrepresentations of what
people have said.

So there we have just the latest illustration of why this paranoid, compulsive
liar has become the well-documented, most despised and hated poster on RAO. A
well-earned reputation, in light of the fact that he has personally attacked
without provocation more different individual posters than any other poster on
RAO, now or in the past.

Bruce J. Richman

Arny Krueger

August 5th 03, 09:27 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:

>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>> k

>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>> ...

>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
>>> formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
>>> (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
>>> analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
>>> extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
>>> two questions:"

>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
>>> text?

>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.

And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl bigots
to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.

Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound richer,warmer, more
complex and
more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer, warmer,
more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the LP brings more
of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."

In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass, right?

> Yes, you have the right to make an ass of yourself...

Weil, you seem to have usurped the local franchise for doing that...

What's unclear about " Weil, quit while you are only a this far behind"?

> This just shows the fact that your hatred of the format guides your
> responses on this forum.

Do I hate LP? Well lets put it this way, I was pretty tired of the obvious
audible shortcomings of the LP about 20 years ago. I think that all these
attempts to resuscitate it are pretty strange.

The good news is that the LP CPR is getting more and more veiled, and
despite all the mega-efforts, the format seems to be riding off into the
sunset. Just let digital simulations of the holy rites of dance club
turntablism get a little more reliable, and that will be that.

> Oh yeah, failure to follow instructions duly noted.

Asked and answered once, but far be it from Weil to comprehend simple
English when it goes against his ideology.

dave weil

August 5th 03, 09:43 PM

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>
>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>
>>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>>> k
>
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>>> ...
>
>>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>
>>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
>>>> formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
>>>> (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
>>>> analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
>>>> extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
>>>> two questions:"
>
>>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
>>>> text?
>
>>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>
>And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl bigots
>to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.
>
>Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>
>"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>
>"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound richer,warmer, more
>complex and
>more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer, warmer,
>more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the LP brings more
>of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."
>
>In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass, right?

Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?

>> Yes, you have the right to make an ass of yourself...
>
>Weil, you seem to have usurped the local franchise for doing that...
>
>What's unclear about " Weil, quit while you are only a this far behind"?

Actually, the phrase "only a this far behind" doesn't make sense in
the English language.

>> This just shows the fact that your hatred of the format guides your
>> responses on this forum.
>
>Do I hate LP? Well lets put it this way, I was pretty tired of the obvious
>audible shortcomings of the LP about 20 years ago. I think that all these
>attempts to resuscitate it are pretty strange.
>
>The good news is that the LP CPR is getting more and more veiled, and
>despite all the mega-efforts, the format seems to be riding off into the
>sunset. Just let digital simulations of the holy rites of dance club
>turntablism get a little more reliable, and that will be that.
>
>> Oh yeah, failure to follow instructions duly noted.
>
>Asked and answered once, but far be it from Weil to comprehend simple
>English when it goes against his ideology.

No, you didn't answer it.

Arny Krueger

August 5th 03, 09:44 PM

"Max Holubitsky" > wrote in message

>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.

> Arny - honestly, I think it's the CD player itself. Until recently I
> had all my discs in a Pioneer 101 disc changer - when I had that
> thing, the balance was more like 80% LP and 10% CD - the damn thing
> was very inconvenient to use - a total impulse purchace.

The incovenience may have affected your perceptions of its sound quality.

> I connected my OLD Philips CDP-101 (I think is the model #), which is
> so old that it indicates the current track with a row of LEDs,
> instead of a digital display, and it's actually made in Holland. This
> is among the very first CD players offered to consumers. I connected
> it about a month and a half ago, and since I connected it, I've been
> listening to and buying more, and more CD's, and less and less LPs. A
> more modern CD player would probably help the sound, but having just
> got a new computer, and new tires for the car, I think it will have
> to wait.

The CDP 101 was a Sony player, so that's not it. As I recall (after using it
for about 8 years, but scrapped it in 1991 or so because it quit tracking)
the track counter was a numeric electroluminescent display.

This sounds more like its Phillips counterpart the CD 100. You can find pix
of both at this URL:

http://www.hupse.nl/radio/frameset.htm?sony_cdp101.htm&ContentFrame

dave weil

August 5th 03, 10:14 PM

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:44:01 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"Max Holubitsky" > wrote in message

>
>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>
>> Arny - honestly, I think it's the CD player itself. Until recently I
>> had all my discs in a Pioneer 101 disc changer - when I had that
>> thing, the balance was more like 80% LP and 10% CD - the damn thing
>> was very inconvenient to use - a total impulse purchace.
>
>The incovenience may have affected your perceptions of its sound quality.
>
>> I connected my OLD Philips CDP-101 (I think is the model #), which is
>> so old that it indicates the current track with a row of LEDs,
>> instead of a digital display, and it's actually made in Holland. This
>> is among the very first CD players offered to consumers. I connected
>> it about a month and a half ago, and since I connected it, I've been
>> listening to and buying more, and more CD's, and less and less LPs. A
>> more modern CD player would probably help the sound, but having just
>> got a new computer, and new tires for the car, I think it will have
>> to wait.
>
>The CDP 101 was a Sony player, so that's not it. As I recall (after using it
>for about 8 years, but scrapped it in 1991 or so because it quit tracking)
>the track counter was a numeric electroluminescent display.
>
>This sounds more like its Phillips counterpart the CD 100. You can find pix
>of both at this URL:
>
>http://www.hupse.nl/radio/frameset.htm?sony_cdp101.htm&ContentFrame

There *is* a model from Philips with the number 101 (it's a CD, *not*
a CDP though):

http://www.joeres.de/cd101.htm

Presumably, this is the same player as the CD 100, which was probably
the US model number.

Max Holubitsky

August 5th 03, 10:55 PM

>
>
> http://www.joeres.de/cd101.htm
>
> Presumably, this is the same player as the CD 100, which was probably
> the US model number.

Yep this is exactly it. The metal spindle is cool - it's literally built like a
tank.

Arny Krueger

August 6th 03, 12:13 AM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>>>> k
>>
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>> ...
>>
>>>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>>
>>>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
>>>>> formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
>>>>> (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
>>>>> analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
>>>>> extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
>>>>> two questions:"
>>
>>>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
>>>>> text?
>>
>>>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>>
>> And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
>> bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.
>>
>> Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>>
>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>> "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
>> richer,warmer, more complex and
>> more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
>> warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
>> LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."
>>
>> In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
>> right?
>
> Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?

One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around here have
brought the matter to his attention, even after it was pointed out. Just
goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the group.

dave weil

August 6th 03, 12:28 AM

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:13:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>>>>> k
>>>
>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>>>
>>>>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
>>>>>> formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
>>>>>> (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
>>>>>> analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
>>>>>> extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
>>>>>> two questions:"
>>>
>>>>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
>>>>>> text?
>>>
>>>>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>>>
>>> And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
>>> bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.
>>>
>>> Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>>>
>>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
>>> richer,warmer, more complex and
>>> more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
>>> warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
>>> LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."
>>>
>>> In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
>>> right?
>>
>> Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?
>
>One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around here have
>brought the matter to his attention, even after it was pointed out. Just
>goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the group.

So? Do you think this gives you license to display the same behavior
that you're decrying here?

Arny Krueger

August 6th 03, 01:43 AM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:13:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>>>>>> k
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>>>>
>>>>>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with
>>>>>>> both formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual
>>>>>>> responses (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to
>>>>>>> do with an analysis of the two formats). This is purely
>>>>>>> subjective and extremely appreciated by me for those that
>>>>>>> complete the following two questions:"
>>>>
>>>>>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
>>>>>>> text?
>>>>
>>>>>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>>>>
>>>> And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
>>>> bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.
>>>>
>>>> Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>>>>
>>>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
>>>> richer,warmer, more complex and
>>>> more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
>>>> warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
>>>> LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."
>>>>
>>>> In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
>>>> right?
>>>
>>> Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?
>>
>> One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around
>> here have brought the matter to his attention, even after it was
>> pointed out. Just goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the
>> group.

> So? Do you think this gives you license to display the same behavior
> that you're decrying here?

Weil, tell us how my actions are exactly the same as what I'm decrying, if
you can.

dave weil

August 6th 03, 02:09 AM

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:43:49 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:13:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> k
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with
>>>>>>>> both formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual
>>>>>>>> responses (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to
>>>>>>>> do with an analysis of the two formats). This is purely
>>>>>>>> subjective and extremely appreciated by me for those that
>>>>>>>> complete the following two questions:"
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
>>>>>>>> text?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
>>>>> bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>>>>>
>>>>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
>>>>> richer,warmer, more complex and
>>>>> more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
>>>>> warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
>>>>> LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."
>>>>>
>>>>> In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
>>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?
>>>
>>> One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around
>>> here have brought the matter to his attention, even after it was
>>> pointed out. Just goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the
>>> group.
>
>> So? Do you think this gives you license to display the same behavior
>> that you're decrying here?
>
>Weil, tell us how my actions are exactly the same as what I'm decrying, if
>you can.

Show me where I said "exactly".

You lose.

Again.

S888Wheel

August 6th 03, 06:11 AM

Arny said

>
>And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl bigots
>to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.

>
>Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>

>"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>

>"I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound richer,warmer, more
>complex and
>more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer, warmer,
>more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the LP brings more
>
>of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."

>
>In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass, right?
>

Wrong. There is no analogy for answering a question asked in the football
world. It is simply called answering the question asked in football as well as
in audio.

Arny Krueger

August 6th 03, 01:42 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:43:49 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:13:57 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:15 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:46:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> k
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with
>>>>>>>>> both formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual
>>>>>>>>> responses (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to
>>>>>>>>> do with an analysis of the two formats). This is purely
>>>>>>>>> subjective and extremely appreciated by me for those that
>>>>>>>>> complete the following two questions:"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the
>>>>>>>>> above text?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known
>>>>>> vinyl bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
>>>>>> richer,warmer, more complex and
>>>>>> more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds
>>>>>> richer, warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than
>>>>>> playback. So the LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear
>>>>>> in live music."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?
>>>>
>>>> One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around
>>>> here have brought the matter to his attention, even after it was
>>>> pointed out. Just goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the
>>>> group.
>>
>>> So? Do you think this gives you license to display the same behavior
>>> that you're decrying here?
>>
>> Weil, tell us how my actions are exactly the same as what I'm
>> decrying, if you can.
>
> Show me where I said "exactly".

Well then Weil your comparison is meaningless. You're free associating,
again.

Arny Krueger

August 6th 03, 01:44 PM

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

> Arny said
>
>>
>> And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
>> bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.
>
>>
>> Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>>
>
>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>
>> "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
>> richer,warmer, more complex and
>> more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
>> warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
>> LP brings more
>>
>> of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."
>
>>
>> In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
>> right?
>>

> Wrong.

Wrong.

>There is no analogy for answering a question asked in the
> football world.

In a way you're right sockpuppet "Wheel". It wasn't really a question that
was asked.

>It is simply called answering the question asked in football as well as in
audio.

Obviously figurative speech and metaphors are way over your head, Sockpuppet
"Wheel". Perhaps you could get your mother or a teacher at school to explain
it to you at your level.

Thine Deville

August 6th 03, 02:08 PM

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:01:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>For one thing, my existing system was great for playing LPs as far as they
>went, but it lacked the bass response and dynamic range that CDs seemed to
>demand. It sounded harsh and strained on CDs until I upgraded it
>appropriately. Once I did that it never sounded as good as it had with LPs.

LOL!

Nice 'upgrade'.

>Of course my listening standards had undergone a wholesale upgrade along the
>way.

Ah. I see where this is going.

--
Thine

Hans

August 6th 03, 02:56 PM

"Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> "Hans" > wrote in message
> k
> > "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
> > ...
> >
> >> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
> >>
> >>
> > "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
> > formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses (no
> > debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an analysis
> > of the two formats). This is purely subjective and extremely
> > appreciated by me for those that complete the following two
> > questions:"
> >
> >
> > Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above text?
>
> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>
That's just beside the point. It's clearly stated that any debate is
unwanted, and yet you're making comments to every entry in the thread.

As many times before, a topic that could be insteresting is totally screwed
up.

If you want a debate and make your own free speech, please feel free to
start a new topic.

/ Hans

dave weil

August 6th 03, 03:00 PM

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:42:20 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with
>>>>>>>>>> both formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual
>>>>>>>>>> responses (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to
>>>>>>>>>> do with an analysis of the two formats). This is purely
>>>>>>>>>> subjective and extremely appreciated by me for those that
>>>>>>>>>> complete the following two questions:"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the
>>>>>>>>>> above text?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known
>>>>>>> vinyl bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
>>>>>>> richer,warmer, more complex and
>>>>>>> more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds
>>>>>>> richer, warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than
>>>>>>> playback. So the LP brings more of the intrinsic beauty I hear
>>>>>>> in live music."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, he also failed to follow instructions. What's your point?
>>>>>
>>>>> One point would be the fact that none of the vinyl bigots around
>>>>> here have brought the matter to his attention, even after it was
>>>>> pointed out. Just goes to show the hypocrisy that's rampant on the
>>>>> group.
>>>
>>>> So? Do you think this gives you license to display the same behavior
>>>> that you're decrying here?
>>>
>>> Weil, tell us how my actions are exactly the same as what I'm
>>> decrying, if you can.
>>
>> Show me where I said "exactly".
>
>Well then Weil your comparison is meaningless. You're free associating,
>again.

No, it's *not* meaningless.

Failure to admit your mistake duly noted.

Arny Krueger

August 6th 03, 03:41 PM

"Hans" > wrote in message
k
> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>> k
>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
>>> formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
>>> (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
>>> analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
>>> extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
>>> two questions:"
>>>
>>>
>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
>>> text?
>>
>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>>
> That's just beside the point.

It's exactly the point. When you can provide me with a valid copy of the
deed to Usenet, we can talk again!

>It's clearly stated that any debate is
> unwanted, and yet you're making comments to every entry in the thread.

This is just another veiled attempt to create a one-sided debate.

> As many times before, a topic that could be insteresting is totally
> screwed up.

It's a screwed-up topic. The only people think that this is still a
real-world issue are either incredibly biased or incredibly naive.

> If you want a debate and make your own free speech, please feel free
> to start a new topic.

The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a free
pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl collection, its
probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain, you can start digitizing
those portions of it that aren't already available on CD.

Bruce J. Richman

August 6th 03, 03:53 PM

Compulsive liar Krueger wrote:

>"Jacob Kramer" > wrote in message

>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:13:08 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Richman, why not just answer the question instead of spending so
>>> much time and effort to talk around it?
>>
>> Why don't you just answer the original question or shut the **** up,
>> you incomprehensible son of a bitch?
>
>I did answer the original question. Learn to read before you post. Richman's
>disease seems to be catching, unfortunately.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

More meaningless and irrational obfuscation from RAO's most widely despised and
hated poster. This psychopath just keeps mumbling his delusional mantras in
the vain hope that somebody will believe his false gibberish.
Unfortunatrely, he has failed - as usual.

Bruce J. Richman

S888Wheel

August 6th 03, 04:28 PM

Arny said

>
>>> And I might add, the attempts by our local list of well-known vinyl
>>> bigots to slam the CD format and preach LP uber alles.
>>
>>>
>>> Let's talk about this recent vinyl sales pitch by S888Wheel:
>>>

>
>>> "S888Wheel" > wrote in message
>>>

>>> "I find the LPs to be preferable to the CDs. They sound
>>> richer,warmer, more complex and
>>> more tangable (sic) in the same ways that live music sounds richer,
>>> warmer, more complex and more tangable (sic) than playback. So the
>>> LP brings more
>>>
>>> of the intrinsic beauty I hear in live music."

>
>>> In football this would be figuratively S888wheel catching a pass,
>>> right?

I said

>
>> Wrong.
>

Arny said

>
>Wrong.
>

Wrong.

I said

>
>>There is no analogy for answering a question asked in the
>> football world.

Arny said

>
>In a way you're right sockpuppet "Wheel". It wasn't really a question that
>was asked.

Wrong.

I said

>
>>It is simply called answering the question asked in football as well as in
>audio.
>

Arny said

>
>Obviously figurative speech and metaphors are way over your head, Sockpuppet
>"Wheel". Perhaps you could get your mother or a teacher at school to explain
>it to you at your level.

No. It's just that when it is so poorly done like this it really goes under my
feet more or less.

Bruce J. Richman

August 6th 03, 04:46 PM

Dave Weil wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:41:31 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Hans" > wrote in message
k
>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>> ...
>>>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>>>> k
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> "I am very interested to hear about people's experiences with both
>>>>> formats. Please keep the threads limited to individual responses
>>>>> (no debates as this isn't and should have nothing to do with an
>>>>> analysis of the two formats). This is purely subjective and
>>>>> extremely appreciated by me for those that complete the following
>>>>> two questions:"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please tell me what it is that you don't understand in the above
>>>>> text?
>>>>
>>>> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
>>>>
>>> That's just beside the point.
>>
>>It's exactly the point. When you can provide me with a valid copy of the
>>deed to Usenet, we can talk again!
>>
>>>It's clearly stated that any debate is
>>> unwanted, and yet you're making comments to every entry in the thread.
>>
>>This is just another veiled attempt to create a one-sided debate.
>>
>>> As many times before, a topic that could be insteresting is totally
>>> screwed up.
>>
>>It's a screwed-up topic. The only people think that this is still a
>>real-world issue are either incredibly biased or incredibly naive.
>>
>>> If you want a debate and make your own free speech, please feel free
>>> to start a new topic.
>>
>>The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a free
>>pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl collection, its
>>probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain, you can start digitizing
>>those portions of it that aren't already available on CD.
>
>Now the world can see that it's actually Mr. Krueger who is attempting
>to dominate RAO by imposing his will on the group, not guys like
>Middius, boon and myself.
>
>
>
>
>
>

It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any claims re.
preferrence for vinyl or given specifics about what proportion of listening
time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's, the delusional sociopath, Krueger,
nevertheless tries to "accuse" him of "extensive" vinyl listening and
stupidity.

Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid theories
about those who don't share his anti-preference, anti-vinyl, anti-tube
hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and beecome despised by more individual
posters than any other participant in RAO.

He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his lack of
contact with reality on a daily basis.

Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman

August 6th 03, 05:27 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:

>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

>
>> It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any
>> claims re. preferrence for vinyl or given specifics about what
>> proportion of listening time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's, the
>> delusional sociopath, Krueger, nevertheless tries to "accuse" him of
>> "extensive" vinyl listening and stupidity.
>
>Richman, you're just deceptively quoting yourself here.
>

A lie, Krueger. Prove that Hans has said he prefers vinyl and has an
"extensive" (your term, not mine) vinyl collection. You can't even admit that
you attacked him without provocation simply because he admits to liking more
than one type of source material. Do you really expect anybody to believe
your?

>> Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid
>> theories about those who don't share his anti-preference, anti-vinyl,
>> anti-tube hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and beecome despised
>> by more individual posters than any other participant in RAO.
>
>Richman, I have these delusions and paranoid theories that you prefer tubes
>and vinyl. Why don't you prove me wrong!
>

Why don't explain why you attacked Hans, Krueger? Why did you decide to add
yet another "enemy" to your constantly growing list of flame targets?
And while you're add it, Krueger, define "vinyl bigot" for all of us who see
you use this derogatory term on an almost daily basis.

>LOL!
>

Meaningless attempt to shift responsibility duly noted. No doubt laughing at
his own ineptitude.

>> He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his
>> lack of contact with reality on a daily basis.
>
>21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like everybody
>knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on.
>
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>
>
>

Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL, Manley
Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall, Basis,
Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A. Michell, and many
others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been reading or listening to
Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his delusional and paranoid propaganda.

ROFLMAO! - as are all rational readers - at Krueger's anti-vinyl, anti-tube,
anti-individual preference attempts to reinvent reality!

Bruce J. Richman

Arny Krueger

August 6th 03, 05:53 PM

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>
>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any
>>> claims re. preference for vinyl or given specifics about what
>>> proportion of listening time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's,
>>> the delusional sociopath, Krueger, nevertheless tries to "accuse"
>>> him of "extensive" vinyl listening and stupidity.
>>
>> Richman, you're just deceptively quoting yourself here.
>>
>
> A lie, Krueger. Prove that Hans has said he prefers vinyl and has an
> "extensive" (your term, not mine) vinyl collection.

I don't have to because I never said that this is necessarily how things
are.

Richman, you're either suffering from delusions or short-term memory loss.
Here's what I said that is relevant:

"Enjoy your vinyl collection, its probably pretty extensive."

Note that this says nothing certain about his preference or non-preference
for vinyl.

> You can't even
> admit that you attacked him without provocation simply because he
> admits to liking more than one type of source material.

I don't believe that Hans has made a public statement about his preference
for vinyl. I see two posts by him, neither of which says anything direct
about his preference for vinyl or CD. My statement is obviously speculative,
based on its use of the word "probably".

> Do you really expect anybody to believe your?

Next time a complete sentence, please?

>>> Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid
>>> theories about those who don't share his anti-preference,
>>> anti-vinyl, anti-tube hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and
>>> beecome despised by more individual posters than any other
>>> participant in RAO.

>> Richman, I have these delusions and paranoid theories that you
>> prefer tubes and vinyl. Why don't you prove me wrong!

> Why don't explain why you attacked Hans, Krueger?

Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question.

> Why did you decide to add yet another "enemy" to your constantly growing
list of flame
> targets?

Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question.

>And while you're add it, Krueger, define "vinyl bigot" for
> all of us who see you use this derogatory term on an almost daily
> basis.

You can look up those words in a dictionary and get as close to my meaning
as you need to, Richman.

>> LOL!

> Meaningless attempt to shift responsibility duly noted. No doubt
> laughing at his own ineptitude.

Non-sequitor following a number of non-responsive comments. Senile dementia,
anybody?

>>> He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his
>>> lack of contact with reality on a daily basis.

>> 21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like
>> everybody knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on.

>> ROTFLMAO!

> Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL,
> Manley Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall,
> Basis, Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A.
> Michell, and many others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been
> reading or listening to Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his
> delusional and paranoid propaganda.

None of these are mainstream companies. Mainstream companies like Pioneer
probably lose more units in shipping in a month than the whole lot of these
make in several years, altogether.

> ROFLMAO! - as are all rational readers - at Krueger's anti-vinyl,
> anti-tube, anti-individual preference attempts to reinvent reality!

Richman is obviously in total denial of the fact that all of these *major*
commercial forces in his imagination are tiny boutique brands with a
miniscule share in the total market for audio components.

Hans

August 6th 03, 06:28 PM

"Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> "Hans" > wrote in message
> k

> >> Your attempts to abridge my rights to free speech.
> >>
> > That's just beside the point.
>
> It's exactly the point. When you can provide me with a valid copy of the
> deed to Usenet, we can talk again!
>
Usenet do have a set of necessary basic rules. Without theese rules there
would be totally chaos, no reason for topics, senseless discussions without
purpose, completely waste of time.

> >It's clearly stated that any debate is
> > unwanted, and yet you're making comments to every entry in the thread.
>
> This is just another veiled attempt to create a one-sided debate.

Again, the topic and comments indicated that this was a Survey/poll, and not
a general debate for and against the medias. Fairly simple to understand for
everybody.

>
> > As many times before, a topic that could be insteresting is totally
> > screwed up.
>
> It's a screwed-up topic. The only people think that this is still a
> real-world issue are either incredibly biased or incredibly naive.
>

Maybe, but you surely made a fine job screwing it up, just like a bull in a
china store.

> > If you want a debate and make your own free speech, please feel free
> > to start a new topic.
>
> The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a free
> pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl collection, its
> probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain, you can start digitizing
> those portions of it that aren't already available on CD.
>

You're quite a guy. Without knowing anything at all about my preferences you
surely assumes a lot. I've been a collector of records since the 60., and in
mid 80. i had about 1600 lp's. Someone then decided to steal my entire
collection together with the rest of my equipment, and since then i switched
to digital media. No point in starting a new record collection.

I have used cd's as the only media since 84, and been satisfied with this
media since then. My equipment today is a cd-player with tube based
line-stage, a home buildt "Grounded Grid" tube preamplifier and a Threshold
SA-3 power-amp, because my AR9-LSI speakers is very hard to handle. This
combination of vacuum tubes and SS is the perfect match for me, because the
tubes gives the music a certain touch of being there, and the Threshold can
deliver power enough to pass on all the details together with a beautiful
sound stage. Please feel free to disagree, but you can change my opinion.

I'll guess you're wrong in every way, so next time please do your homework
before you attack them.

/ Hans

Arny Krueger

August 6th 03, 06:48 PM

"Hans" > wrote in message
k
> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...

>> The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a
>> free pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl
>> collection, its probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain,
>> you can start digitizing those portions of it that aren't already
>> available on CD.

> You're quite a guy.

Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.

>Without knowing anything at all about my
> preferences you surely assumes a lot.

Let's see. I said:

"Enjoy your vinyl collection, its probably pretty extensive."

> I've been a collector of
> records since the 60., and in mid 80. i had about 1600 lp's. Someone
> then decided to steal my entire collection together with the rest of
> my equipment, and since then i switched to digital media. No point in
> starting a new record collection.

Ah, the voice of overwhelming reason and underlying nostalgia. I again sense
wistful thinking about that lost LP collection.

In short, I may have sensed state of mind, not state of current collection
of recordings.

The big difference between you and me is that I sold off my 1,200+ LP
collection after I voluntarily obtained my first CD player because I quickly
became disappointed with their sound quality.

> I have used cd's as the only media since 84, and been satisfied with
> this media since then. My equipment today is a cd-player with tube
> based line-stage, a home buildt "Grounded Grid" tube preamplifier and
> a Threshold SA-3 power-amp, because my AR9-LSI speakers is very hard
> to handle. This combination of vacuum tubes and SS is the perfect
> match for me, because the tubes gives the music a certain touch of
> being there, and the Threshold can deliver power enough to pass on
> all the details together with a beautiful sound stage. Please feel
> free to disagree, but you can change my opinion.

I'm sure I can't change your opinion so I won't even try. Ditto for your
behavior.

> I'll guess you're wrong in every way, so next time please do your
> homework before you attack them.

Except I may not have been wrong in every way. I just misinterpreted some
signals and got others sorta right.

BTW, there does not appear to be much homework to do. I can't find one
previous post for you in google, prior to these few posts right here and
now.

Therefore, what I saw was the best I could get.

Hans

August 6th 03, 07:18 PM

"Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> "Hans" > wrote in message
> k

> > You're quite a guy.
>
> Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.
>
I have no hidden agendas whatsoever. I just had a hope that this topic would
be interesting to follow.

> Ah, the voice of overwhelming reason and underlying nostalgia. I again
sense
> wistful thinking about that lost LP collection.
>

Off course. I had a lot of records never since published on cd. I made a
choice and never looked back. Water under the bridge.

> > I have used cd's as the only media since 84, and been satisfied with
> > this media since then. My equipment today is a cd-player with tube
> > based line-stage, a home buildt "Grounded Grid" tube preamplifier and
> > a Threshold SA-3 power-amp, because my AR9-LSI speakers is very hard
> > to handle. This combination of vacuum tubes and SS is the perfect
> > match for me, because the tubes gives the music a certain touch of
> > being there, and the Threshold can deliver power enough to pass on
> > all the details together with a beautiful sound stage. Please feel
> > free to disagree, but you can change my opinion.
>
> I'm sure I can't change your opinion so I won't even try. Ditto for your
> behavior.
>

I'll just leave all the beating and attacking to you. You're really good at
that.

> > I'll guess you're wrong in every way, so next time please do your
> > homework before you attack them.
>
> Except I may not have been wrong in every way. I just misinterpreted some
> signals and got others sorta right.
>
I don't think so, not even close.

> BTW, there does not appear to be much homework to do. I can't find one
> previous post for you in google, prior to these few posts right here and
> now.
>
I've been active since fido-net, so your Google must be defective, or you
can't guess my sir name. It's by the way in my e-mail address.

> Therefore, what I saw was the best I could get.
>
Maybe it's because that i normally don't bother to discuss with trolls like
you, but you will fit nicely in my kill filter, so mr. Krueger:

PLONK

Don't bother to answer, you're gone.

/ Hans

Bruce J. Richman

August 6th 03, 07:33 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:

>Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's also interesting to observe that although Hans has not made any
>>>> claims re. preference for vinyl or given specifics about what
>>>> proportion of listening time is spent listenng to vinyl vs. CD's,
>>>> the delusional sociopath, Krueger, nevertheless tries to "accuse"
>>>> him of "extensive" vinyl listening and stupidity.
>>>
>>> Richman, you're just deceptively quoting yourself here.
>>>
>>
>> A lie, Krueger. Prove that Hans has said he prefers vinyl and has an
>> "extensive" (your term, not mine) vinyl collection.
>
>I don't have to because I never said that this is necessarily how things
>are.
>

Another lie from the delusional Krueger. You've indictred yourself by your own
words below. Unfortunate that as usual, you can't admit that you continually
try and distort what others say and then lie repeatedly. You really are quite
delusional and totally without conscience, as are classic sociopaths.

>Richman, you're either suffering from delusions or short-term memory loss.
>Here's what I said that is relevant:
>

You're not qualified to evaluate the mental status of other people. About the
only thing you *are* qualified to do, Krueger, and only by experience, not
talent, is to distort and misrepresent what others have said.

>"Enjoy your vinyl collection, its probably pretty extensive."
>
>Note that this says nothing certain about his preference or non-preference
>for vinyl.
>

So, are you now going to claim that people "enjoy" media that they don't
prefer? Does this also explain why you encouraed Hans to "grow a brain"? LOL!

>> You can't even
>> admit that you attacked him without provocation simply because he
>> admits to liking more than one type of source material.
>
>I don't believe that Hans has made a public statement about his preference
>for vinyl. I see two posts by him, neither of which says anything direct
>about his preference for vinyl or CD. My statement is obviously speculative,
>based on its use of the word "probably".
>

You speculate about many things, but never identify them as such, except when
forced to admit that you're making it up as you go along, as in this case. You
also have been proven to be a compulsive liar about many documented facts on
RAO. And no, I don't have to cite Google records, as they are readily
available, and many on this NG have come to the same conclusioin regarding your
compulsive lieing.

>> Do you really expect anybody to believe your?
>
>Next time a complete sentence, please?
>

The sorry response from an exposed compulsive liar. When once again exposed as
a sociopathic liar and anti-vinyl, anti-individual preference propagandist, he
tries to discredit others by relying on smearing smelling errors. Of course,
the retarded sociopath known as Krueger regularly makes spelling errors,
grammatical mistakes, and frequently also makes incomprehensible statements.
This has been pointed out many times by those who just laugh at his inability
to communicate in logical, rational terms with his many "enemies".

LOL!

>>>> Another example of why Krueger, riddled with delusions and paranoid
>>>> theories about those who don't share his anti-preference,
>>>> anti-vinyl, anti-tube hatemongering agenda, has antagonized and
>>>> beecome despised by more individual posters than any other
>>>> participant in RAO.
>
>>> Richman, I have these delusions and paranoid theories that you
>>> prefer tubes and vinyl. Why don't you prove me wrong!
>
>> Why don't explain why you attacked Hans, Krueger?
>
>Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question.
>

In other words, you can't explain it and are afraid to admit that you just like
to flame people that disagree with your anti-vinyl, anti-individual preference
campaign against all who don't buy your self-serviing PC-driven hogwash.
Thanks for once again showing us all your stupidity and cowardice.

>> Why did you decide to add yet another "enemy" to your constantly growing
>list of flame
>> targets?
>
>Non-responsive to a clear and obvious question.
>

Yet another example of Krueger's inability to answer reasonable questions when
confronted with his own anti-vinyl, anti-individual propaganda attempts. About
all this sociopath can do is cut-and-paste his repetitive lies. Apparently,
he's out to multiply his lies by using a more efficient method than having to
repeat them through normal conversation. Quite appropriate for this robotic
flamer to use cut-and-paste methodology as a substitute for the more normal
interpersonakl dialogue at which he has proven to be so inept.

>>And while you're add it, Krueger, define "vinyl bigot" for
>> all of us who see you use this derogatory term on an almost daily
>> basis.
>
>You can look up those words in a dictionary and get as close to my meaning
>as you need to, Richman.
>

IOW, Krueger, you can't define it and now admit that you just throw out
derogatory terms and engage in name-calling in a futiloe effort to brainwash
others. Quite predictable for an anti-vinyl, anti-individual-preference flamer
such as yourself.

>>> LOL!
>
>> Meaningless attempt to shift responsibility duly noted. No doubt
>> laughing at his own ineptitude.
>
>Non-sequitor following a number of non-responsive comments. Senile dementia,
>anybody?
>

Illogical, irrational response from a paranoid and quite delusiional, proven
compulsive liar.

>>>> He's quite irrational, and continues to give us all examples of his
>>>> lack of contact with reality on a daily basis.
>

<lack of response duly noted. Obviously, Krueger couldn't dispute this factual
observation. His daily ravings about vinyl, sockpuppets, conspiracies, etc.
provide quite convincing evidence of his poor ties to reality>

>>> 21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like
>>> everybody knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on.
>
>>> ROTFLMAO!
>
>> Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL,
>> Manley Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall,
>> Basis, Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A.
>> Michell, and many others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been
>> reading or listening to Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his
>> delusional and paranoid propaganda.
>
>None of these are mainstream companies. Mainstream companies like Pioneer
>probably lose more units in shipping in a month than the whole lot of these
>make in several years, altogether.
>
>

Of course, to Krueger, mainstream is no doubt defined by rack system hardware
and who can sell the cheapest products on the open market. Once again, this
anti-vinyl, anti-individual-preference shill for the digitization and
computerization of all sonic material, fails to deal with the reality of RAO.
His McDonald's/statistics arguments have been shown to be as fllawed as logic
in his prior attempts to "lie with statistics" re. vinyl sales and other facts
of life with which he disagrees. Given his parnoid distrust of high-end audioi
manufacturers, publications, and all who enjoy the expression of individual
preferences, his deliberate attempt to deny the significance of all the
companies lilsted above is quite predictable. He really should start his own
NG, where he, DimTim, and McKelvey can debate the merits of rack systems. I'd
suggest they call it rec.digitalaudio.bestbuy.

>> ROFLMAO! - as are all rational readers - at Krueger's anti-vinyl,
>> anti-tube, anti-individual preference attempts to reinvent reality!
>
>Richman is obviously in total denial of the fact that all of these *major*
>commercial forces in his imagination are tiny boutique brands with a
>miniscule share in the total market for audio components.
>

Krueger is obviously unable to communicate with readers of a newsgroup in which
brands other than mass-markett Japanese rack systems and their components is
the main focus of conversation. His delusional, paranoid thoughts about many
respected, long-term audio manufacturers with unassailable credentials just
serves to illustrate his total lack of reality contact. No wonder his
credibility when it comes to disussing 'audio opinions" - the subject of this
group by title - especially as it relates to what most people here actually use
in their everyday listening systems - is totallly absent.

Let;s hear from all the Pioneer users who agree with Krueger's deluisional
assessment of what people on audio NG's listen to in terms of their equipment
and music sources!!!

ROFLMAO!!! at this PC/digital-driven robot's inability to recognize what RAO
posters listen to and use in their daily musical environments. Hint: Pioneer
and similkar Japanese mass-market brands are not at the top of the list.

Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman

August 6th 03, 07:51 PM

Hans wrote:

>"Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>> k
>
>> > You're quite a guy.
>>
>> Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.
>>
>I have no hidden agendas whatsoever.

I don't think that any of us except Krueger thought you did. But then again,
he has some rather strange and paranoid ideas about "agendas". He tends tapply
them to almost all who disagree with him.

I just had a hope that this topic would
>be interesting to follow.
>

I think that you will find that aside from those of us who are continually
attacked bvy Krueger because we don't happen to share his anti-vinyl,
anti-tube, anti-individual-preference, (and I guess we now have to add
pro-mass-market) biases, others will answer your question in a factual,
nonagrumentative way.

For the record (no pun intended), I have about 1600 LPs and 200 CDs. I enjoy
listening to both formats, but spend most of my listening time enjoying LPs. I
also have what I would consider to be a high-end mobile audio system (I do a
lot of driving to various hospitals, ERs, etc.) which is primarily tape-based
(Nakamichi TD-1200 Type 2 Mobile Dragon). Therefore, I do a lot of home taping
from my record/CD collection so that I can enjoy both formats in my car. I
prefer not to take chances with possible CD recorder/CD car player
incompatibility issues that can come up when dealing with CD-RW's and CD-R's.

>> Ah, the voice of overwhelming reason and underlying nostalgia. I again
>sense
>> wistful thinking about that lost LP collection.
>>
>
>Off course. I had a lot of records never since published on cd. I made a
>choice and never looked back. Water under the bridge.
>
>> > I have used cd's as the only media since 84, and been satisfied with
>> > this media since then. My equipment today is a cd-player with tube
>> > based line-stage, a home buildt "Grounded Grid" tube preamplifier and
>> > a Threshold SA-3 power-amp, because my AR9-LSI speakers is very hard
>> > to handle. This combination of vacuum tubes and SS is the perfect
>> > match for me, because the tubes gives the music a certain touch of
>> > being there, and the Threshold can deliver power enough to pass on
>> > all the details together with a beautiful sound stage. Please feel
>> > free to disagree, but you can change my opinion.
>>
>> I'm sure I can't change your opinion so I won't even try. Ditto for your
>> behavior.
>>
>
>I'll just leave all the beating and attacking to you. You're really good at
>that.
>
>> > I'll guess you're wrong in every way, so next time please do your
>> > homework before you attack them.
>>
>> Except I may not have been wrong in every way. I just misinterpreted some
>> signals and got others sorta right.
>>
>I don't think so, not even close.
>
>> BTW, there does not appear to be much homework to do. I can't find one
>> previous post for you in google, prior to these few posts right here and
>> now.
>>
>I've been active since fido-net, so your Google must be defective, or you
>can't guess my sir name. It's by the way in my e-mail address.
>
>> Therefore, what I saw was the best I could get.
>>
>Maybe it's because that i normally don't bother to discuss with trolls like
>you, but you will fit nicely in my kill filter, so mr. Krueger:
>
>PLONK
>
>Don't bother to answer, you're gone.
>
>/ Hans
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Bruce J. Richman

George M. Middius

August 6th 03, 08:00 PM

Hans said to ****-for-Brains:

> Don't bother to answer, you're gone.

If only it were that easy.........

Arny Krueger

August 6th 03, 09:25 PM

"Hans" > wrote in message
k
> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>> k
>
>>> You're quite a guy.
>>
>> Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.
>>
> I have no hidden agendas whatsoever.

Then you're not self-aware. You and Richman make quite a pair.

dave weil

August 6th 03, 10:54 PM

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:48:36 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"Hans" > wrote in message
k
>> "Arny Krueger" > skrev i en meddelelse
>> ...
>
>>> The fact that you are beating on me and giving sockpuppet "Wheel" a
>>> free pass pretty well tips your hand, Hans. Enjoy your vinyl
>>> collection, its probably pretty extensive. When you grow a brain,
>>> you can start digitizing those portions of it that aren't already
>>> available on CD.
>
>> You're quite a guy.
>
>Not really, but my radar for hidden agendas is fair-to-middling.

that just about says it all...

S888Wheel

August 7th 03, 12:01 AM

>> Arny said
>
>>>>> Typical of a system that has been balanced to favor LPs.
>

>
>> I said
>
>>>> Perhaps you could cite a specific system "balanced to favor LPs" and
>>>> describe how such a system favors LPs.

>
>> Arny said
>>
>>> Been there done that.
>

I said

>
>> Typical dodge when caught in your bull****. You don't have an answer
>> do you?

Arny said

>
>Of course I have an answer which is reproduced below. You're quite
>delusional, aren't you sockpuppet Wheel?
>

Personal attack noted. It is you who are simply wrong about the facts here.
there is no such system cited below. alluding to an unspecified system is not
what i asked for. There is no mention of the actual components in any system
anywhere in your post. You know, speakers, electronics and the like.

>
>
>> Arny said
>
>>> When CD's first came out I was an early adopter. I
>>> found that my vinyl-based system (TD-125/SME 3009II/Shure V-15) came
>>> up short when it came to exploiting CD technology.

I said

>
>> Just because your old system sucks does not mean my current system is
>> balanced for LPs.

Arny said

>
>Irrelevant to the question you asked, sockpuppet "Wheel".

Wrong. It is totally relevant. I asked you to cite an example of a system that
is balanced to favor LPs. You didn't do it. You went on about your old crappy
system which is irrelevant.

Arny said

> Here, I'll
>reproduce it for you to jog your memory. Perchance you're suffering from
>senile dementia and your short-term memory is shot?
>

>"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>
>> Perhaps you could cite a specific system "balanced to favor LPs" and
>> describe how such a system favors LPs.
>

Yes Arny, I know what I asked you. You haven't offered an answer yet.

Arny quotes me

>
>> Your failure to answer the question just shows your
>> comment was empty antivinyl propaganda.
>

Arny said

>
>When you keep changing the question and denying you asked the question you
>just asked, it gets a little hard to appear responsive, sockpuppet "Wheel".
>

No and no. I have not changed the question, I have not denied I asked the
question I asked and you have not answered the question. It is a simple
question. Obviously the problem is you cannot answer it because your original
claim is bull****.

>
>> Arny said
>
>>> For one thing, my existing system was great for playing LPs as far
>>> as they went, but it lacked the bass response and dynamic range that
>>> CDs seemed to demand.

I said

>
>> Again your old crappy system has nothing to do with my question.
>

Arny said

>
>Prove that my old system was crappy, Sockpuppet Wheel.

Why? You have adnitted as much in kinder words.

Arny said

>
>BTW, your comment is irrelevant to the question you asked,

That is only because your response was irrelevant.

Arny said

>sockpuppet
>"Wheel".

Bizarre attempt at a personal attack noted. If you think I am a sockpuppet
doesn't that mean you are talking to a sockpuppet? wouldn't that make you a bit
ridiculous?

Arny said

>Here, I'll reproduce it for you to jog your memory. Perchance
>you're suffering from senile dementia and your short-term memory is shot?
>

No Arny, I am not suffering from any such problems. Personal attack noted. I
remember what I asked as stated before. You still have yet to answer it.

>
>> Arny said
>
>>> It sounded harsh and strained on CDs until I upgraded it
>>> appropriately.
>

I said

>
>> Since you fail to mention what the upgrades were or what the harsh
>> sounding CDs were , for all we know, you dumbed down your system to
>> compensate for crappy sounding CDs.
>

Arny said

>
>You didn't ask what the upgrades were,

No I didn't. It should be obvious to anyone that without stating what they were
your post lacked the needed perspective to have any meaning. So what I said is
true, for all we know you were dumbing down your system to compensate for
crappy CDs. You also need to disclose what CDs you were listening to if your
post is to have any meaning to others.

Arny said

>
>Given that you can't remember a simple question you asked from one post to
>the next sockpuppet Wheel, that seems futile.
>

Your attempt to dance around a simple question based on manufactured personal
attacks is noted. Since you seem to now be familiar with the question given you
have repeted it now several times, why not try answering it? Oh yeah, that
would show you were full of crap to begin with.

Rest of redundant and irrelevant post deleted for sake of other readers

S888Wheel

August 7th 03, 12:24 AM

I said

>
>> Arny, you are in way over your head in this area. Don't make a fool of
>> yourself. You already told us about your equipment.
>

Arny said

>
>You just said that I didn't tell you about my equipment or its upgrades.
>

Nope. We know what turntable you have to be specific. I have no idea what
speakers and electronics you had when you got your first CD player and I have
no idea what speakers and electronics you bought when you "upgraded" your
system.

I said

>
>> Why go through all this anecdotal crap without naming any brand names
>> when all you had to do was answer a straight question?
>

Arny said

>You didn't ask for brand names, sockpuppet "Wheel". Why would I remember all
>these details about brand names 20 years later? I'll reproduce the question
>you did ask for you to jog your memory with.

> Perchance you're suffering from
>senile dementia and your short-term memory is shot?
>

You are redundant if nothing else. But lets look at that question.

" Perhaps you could cite a specific system "balanced to favor LPs" and describe
how such a system favors LPs"

Wow, you have repeted it now numerous times and you still don't get it. Your
anecdote fails to cite any specific system "balanced to favor LPs." All of your
posts fail to do so. Do you know how to cite a system? You name the components.
That requires one to name brand names and models. Duh.

I said

>
>>Cite an example of an actual system that has been balanced for LPs then
>> explain how it is balanced for LPs. Then we can compare and contrast
>> it to my system which you claim is balanced for LPs.

Arny said

>
>Since the sound quality and timbre of a system is highly dependent on the
>room its in, that's a ludicrous question and an impossible analysis.
>

Given the fact that you made the claim about systems being balanced to favor
LPs including my system your inability to be able to cite such a system simply
further demonstrates what a load of crap your claim was about systems being
balanced to favor LPs. What a shock.

Arny said for the umpteenth time.

>
>I'll reproduce the question you asked for you to jog your memory with.
>Perchance you're suffering from senile dementia and your short-term memory
>is shot?

>
>"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>

>
>> Perhaps you could cite a specific system "balanced to favor LPs" and
>> describe how such a system favors LPs.

>
>This question seems to have quite a bit of latitude for possible answers,
>no?

One would think so. So given the multitude of possible answers why is it you
cannot come up with one?

Arny said

>
>>> You will notice that many LP bigots (Greg Singh
>>> was a example of a RAO regular with this problem) just don't seem to
>>> be able to find the subwoofer of their dreams, and this can be one
>>> reason why.

I said

>
>> Then explain those of us who have found such subwoofers to our
>> satisfaction and other speaker systems with full base extension that
>> still prefer LPs.

Arny said

>
>Does such a person exist?

Yes.

>Please provide a specific example with all brand
>names and models. Include complete details of sound and vibration isolation.

Oracle Delphi MkV table. Graham 2.0 arm. Audioquest 7000 cartridge. Audio
Research Reference phono preamp, Audio Research reference 600 amps. Vandersteen
model 5 speakers. The only isolation is that which is built into the Oracle
table. This just one example.

Arny said

>
>If there are no problems with the CD side of their system, why would they
>prefer LP?
>

Because it sounds better to them. Duh

Arny said

>
>>> They finally took steps to straighten
>>> out the timbre cartridges or get cartridges that could be spectrally
>>> straightened out.
>>> It generally didn't take too long for them for forget
>>> about vinyl anyway because not much new is happening in that
>market,
>>> relatively speaking.
>

I said

>
>> Wrong, as usual when it comes to LPs.

Arny said

>
>If everybody still remembers and uses LPs, why have their sales fallen by
>about 99% of market share?
>

Irrelevant to the issue. You made a claim that not much new is happening in the
LP market. That is clearly wrong. Sales percentage has nothing to do with it.

I said

>
>> There is plenty going on. You just don't know about it or care about it.

Arny said

>
>Heck, even vinyl bigots admit that there are relatively few new LP releases
>compared to the massive number of CD releases.

Your claim was an absolute claim not a relative comparitive claim. So your
point is irrelevant as usual. There are plenty of releases on LP to keep LP
enthusiasts quite happy. There is plenty going on in the LP market. You are
simply wrong.

Arny said

> Are you really so delusional
>as to think that the number of LP releases compares favorable to the number
>of Cd releases?

Are you really so delusional that you think I made any such claim? Are you so
delusional that you cannot see that your claim made no reference to CDs in
comparison and that it was an absolute claim and a false claim?

Arny said

>If so, provide recent audited statistics from an independent
>source to back up your claims.
>

Are you so delusional about my claims that you are now demanding a back up
claims I never made?

Moi

August 7th 03, 03:27 AM

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 09:01:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote in >:

>Today, most of my friends who still listen to vinyl routinely do so by means
>of CD-R proxies. Several of them have become quite expert at straightening
>out the well-known deficiencies of vinyl, often delivering a musical product
>that is quite CD-like. IOW quiet, running at the right speed, and with
>pleasant, even realistic dynamics and spectral balance. All through the
>*magic* of digital processing.

Errm... magic? Did you mean to use quotation marks and instead used
asterisks, or were you really highlighting the fact that digital
processing is "magical" to you?

---
"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."

Moi

August 7th 03, 03:39 AM

On 06 Aug 2003 16:27:50 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
wrote in >:

>>21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like everybody
>>knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on.
>>
>>ROTFLMAO!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL, Manley
>Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall, Basis,
>Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A. Michell, and many
>others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been reading or listening to
>Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his delusional and paranoid propaganda.

I suspect Krooger isn't too familiar with those names. I think you
should pump these out to give the Kroo-man a sense of recognition:

Creative Labs, Soundblaster, Altec Lansing, Seagate, Plextor,
Fraunhofer, MP3, Kazaa, Napster, Grokster, Sony, Labtec...

Ahh -- "Cheepniss." The Kroo will be in familiar territory here -- if
it's made of plastic (maybe a little thin sheet aluminum) and breaks
in less than 2 years, it receives the official seal of Kroog-approval
as "modern" and "good specs - recommended."

ROFLMAO!

---
"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."

Moi

August 7th 03, 03:46 AM

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:57:11 +0200, "Hans" >
wrote in >:

>My main concern about the digital media today is, that never before has so
>many releases sounded so awfull than today. Overmastered, no dynamics, no
>sound stage (everything in a little box), distorted, way to loud. It seems
>that many producers has got a total brainmeltdown, not knowing what they're
>doing, but that's an entirely different story.

Agreed... CD's these days (the past couple years especially) sound so
bad that it overwhelms any theoretical differences -- in truth, nearly
all of CD's supposedly superior dynamic range is utterly wasted with
the majority of studio (non-classical) releases these days. Ohhh...
ear pain. Horrible stuff.

---
"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."

Bruce J. Richman

August 7th 03, 04:06 AM

Tim wrote:

>On 06 Aug 2003 16:27:50 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
>wrote in >:
>
>
>>>21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like everybody
>>>knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on.
>>>
>>>ROTFLMAO!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL, Manley
>>Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall, Basis,
>>Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A. Michell, and
>many
>>others. No doubt, all these companies haven't been reading or listening to
>>Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread his delusional and paranoid
>propaganda.
>
>I suspect Krooger isn't too familiar with those names. I think you
>should pump these out to give the Kroo-man a sense of recognition:
>
>Creative Labs, Soundblaster, Altec Lansing, Seagate, Plextor,
>Fraunhofer, MP3, Kazaa, Napster, Grokster, Sony, Labtec...
>
>Ahh -- "Cheepniss." The Kroo will be in familiar territory here -- if
>it's made of plastic (maybe a little thin sheet aluminum) and breaks
>in less than 2 years, it receives the official seal of Kroog-approval
>as "modern" and "good specs - recommended."
>
>ROFLMAO!
>
>---
>"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
>computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."
>
>
>

You're probably right. Brands associated essentially with computer gear don't
require such Krueger-alien properties as sensitivity, emotion, or preference to
be "utilized" or is that "ditigitized". As long as they can be robotoically
switched on and off, that's good enough. I think your list of his preferred
"gear" is quite comprehensive, but in all fairness, you should have probably
also included WalMart.

Bruce J. Richman

Arny Krueger

August 7th 03, 11:37 AM

Fool Moi tries to follow in the foolish footsteps of fool Richman. Trouble
is, Moi is even a bigger fool than Richman. At least Richman can do a
credible job of dropping names for his favorite market niche.

"Moi" > wrote in message

> On 06 Aug 2003 16:27:50 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
> wrote in >:
>
>
>>> 21st century reality is digital and solid state. It seems like
>>> everybody knows this but Richman and a few hangers-on.

>>> ROTFLMAO!

>> Tell it to the folks at Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, Cary, VTL,
>> Manley Laboratories, Jadis, Jolida, VPI, Rega, Project, Music Hall,
>> Basis, Clearaudio, Thorens, Grado, Shure, Sumiko, Nottingham, J.A.
>> Michell, and many others. No doubt, all these companies haven't
>> been reading or listening to Krueger's pathetic attempts to spread
>> his delusional and paranoid propaganda.

Watching Richman marginalize himself is really pretty funny. There's
actually a valid mainstream audio company on that list - Shure. I suspect
that Shure does more business in a year than the whole rest of the list put
together. But phono cartridges are a very minor part of their business. No
fools, they.

> I suspect Krooger isn't too familiar with those names.

I own or have owned products made by Conrad Johnson, Rega, Thorens, Grado,
and Shure.

> I think you should pump these out to give the Kroo-man a sense of
recognition:

> Creative Labs, Soundblaster, Altec Lansing, Seagate, Plextor,
> Fraunhofer, MP3, Kazaa, Napster, Grokster, Sony, Labtec...

Your blatant ignorance is showing again sockpuppet "Moi". Plextor is in fact
the market quality leader when it comes to CD & DVD drives. Seagate is one
of the companies that leads the hard drive market. The name Sony is well
known as a quality brand in the audio marketplace, as well as the computer
market. None of these companies have a reputation for being cheap. In fact,
in their respective markets, they are well known for premium-priced
products.

> Ahh -- "Cheepniss."

Sockpuppet Moi, you can't even spell proper forms of the word cheap right,
which makes you wrong and stupid-looking on yet another level.

> The Kroo will be in familiar territory here -- if
> it's made of plastic (maybe a little thin sheet aluminum) and breaks
> in less than 2 years, it receives the official seal of Kroog-approval
> as "modern" and "good specs - recommended."

You've shown yourself to be an ignoramus yet again, sockpuppet Moi. Welcome
back to RAO, you'll fit right in with the others like you. You can stand
over there with Middius and Phillips.

When I saw you first post again here several days ago Moi, I was wondering
how many pleas for help you'd have to receive from Middius and his clique
before you got your hands dirty again. So what did those guys do to get you
to come back? Obviously, they know they are losing their collective asses
and needed help in the worst way.

And here you are Moi, giving them help in the worst way!

> ROFLMAO!

You do laughing hyena well, sockpuppet Moi.

> ---
> "It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
> computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."

No audio engineers, no new recordings of music. Yet another example of your
ignorance and short-sightedness, sockpuppet Moi.

Arny Krueger

August 7th 03, 11:46 AM

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

> You're probably right. Brands associated essentially with computer
> gear don't require such Krueger-alien properties as sensitivity,
> emotion, or preference to be "utilized" or is that "ditigitized".

I love it when borderline sociopaths like Richman start fantasizing that
inanimate objects have emotion. It really shows how alien they are to
humanity.

> As long as they can be robotoically switched on and off, that's good
> enough. I think your list of his preferred "gear" is quite
> comprehensive, but in all fairness, you should have probably also
> included WalMart.

You're free-associating, Richman. I never shop at WalMart or KMart. But
maybe a little Target.

Arny Krueger

August 7th 03, 11:47 AM

"Hans" > wrote in message
k

> My main concern about the digital media today is, that never before
> has so many releases sounded so awfull than today. Overmastered, no
> dynamics, no sound stage (everything in a little box), distorted, way
> to loud. It seems that many producers has got a total brainmeltdown,
> not knowing what they're doing, but that's an entirely different
> story.

I agree. One reason I've started making my own recordings.

Bruce J. Richman

August 7th 03, 05:03 PM

Arny Kruege wrote:

>"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

>
>> You're probably right. Brands associated essentially with computer
>> gear don't require such Krueger-alien properties as sensitivity,
>> emotion, or preference to be "utilized" or is that "ditigitized".
>
>I love it when borderline sociopaths like Richman start fantasizing that
>inanimate objects have emotion. It really shows how alien they are to
>humanity.
>

Very predictable response from a compulsive liar and delusional creep that
can't comprehend clearly written English sentences. Read it again, moron.
You've just confirmed for all of RAO that you lack the personal qualities
necessary - as listed above - to be able to exhibit "sensitivity, emotion or
preference". Too bad you, in your haste, to display your ineptitude, ignored
the word, "require".
Perhaps your digital work station forgot to "tell" you how to respond in a
manner that rational people can understand. Now, I'll let you get back to your
robotic cutting-and-pasting of responses - so typical of one whose
interpersonal skills resemble those of a digital work station.

>> As long as they can be robotoically switched on and off, that's good
>> enough. I think your list of his preferred "gear" is quite
>> comprehensive, but in all fairness, you should have probably also
>> included WalMart.
>
>You're free-associating, Richman. I never shop at WalMart or KMart. But
>maybe a little Target.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

There's nothing wrong with free associating, Krueger. It's long been an
accepted part of therapeutic practice. But as you regularly demonstrate with
your ignorant misuse of terms like "borderline", "sociopath", and "free
associate", you don't even know what these words mean. Not surprising given
your lack of competence in either describing or evaluating human behavior of
any form. Next time try using the word "speculating" and you might be somewhat
closer to the truth. (Sorry if the use of the word, "truth", offends you; I
realize it's not something you like to deal with very often).

Bruce J. Richman

Howard Ferstler

August 7th 03, 06:34 PM

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in message >...
> Hans wrote:

> >My main concern about the digital media today is, that never before has so
> >many releases sounded so awfull than today. Overmastered, no dynamics, no
> >sound stage (everything in a little box), distorted, way to loud. It seems
> >that many producers has got a total brainmeltdown, not knowing what they're
> >doing, but that's an entirely different story.
> >
>
> I would tend to agree with you. I think a lot of this has to do with the CD
> industry's desire to appeal to the "mass market" of boombox users, those who
> favor PC burners for "digital playback", and advocates of the "all CD/DVD
> players and electronics sound alike so buy the cheapest" philosophy. After
> all, why cater to such a small niche as those who choose to believe in
> individual preferences and tolerance for the views and preferences of others?

My computer has been disconnected for days (home-improvement
requirements, etc.), but I just cranked it up and took a look at RAO.

If you clowns would develop some genuine musical taste you would not
be in such a fix. Classical recordings (many of which I review and
will continue to review for The Sensible Sound) are as good as ever,
and many are better than ever. Even low-priced labels like Naxos are
delivering superb performances and sound.

Again, if all one listens to is modern-crap-junko music (if we can
call such noise "music" at all), then you obviously have a point. The
music is created for those with little in the way of musical taste or
an appreciation for good sound.

And all decently built CD and DVD players do indeed sound alike,
Clyde.

Back to my home-improvement work. Have a good rant.

Howard Ferstler

Bruce J. Richman

August 7th 03, 06:59 PM

Howard Ferstler wrote:

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in message
>...
>> Hans wrote:
>
>> >My main concern about the digital media today is, that never before has so
>> >many releases sounded so awfull than today. Overmastered, no dynamics, no
>> >sound stage (everything in a little box), distorted, way to loud. It seems
>> >that many producers has got a total brainmeltdown, not knowing what
>they're
>> >doing, but that's an entirely different story.
>> >
>>
>> I would tend to agree with you. I think a lot of this has to do with the
>CD
>> industry's desire to appeal to the "mass market" of boombox users, those
>who
>> favor PC burners for "digital playback", and advocates of the "all CD/DVD
>> players and electronics sound alike so buy the cheapest" philosophy. After
>> all, why cater to such a small niche as those who choose to believe in
>> individual preferences and tolerance for the views and preferences of
>others?
>
>My computer has been disconnected for days (home-improvement
>requirements, etc.), but I just cranked it up and took a look at RAO.
>

Of course. You couldn't help yourself, right, Clarabelle. If you had
continued to keep your computer disconnected you could have improved not only
your home, but also your mental health.

>If you clowns would develop some genuine musical taste you would not
>be in such a fix. Classical recordings (many of which I review and
>will continue to review for The Sensible Sound) are as good as ever,
>and many are better than ever. Even low-priced labels like Naxos are
>delivering superb performances and sound.
>

Thanks for these words of wisdom and elitist snobbery, Clarabelle. Do you have
any ideas about what type of music the people on RAO might listen to on a
regular basis? Of course not. At least there doesn't seem to be any evidence
here that you have botherred to try and find this basic fact out. Of course, I
can speak only for myself, but it just so happens that this writer has a rather
large collection of classical music recordings and I listen to them on a
regular basis. As an aside, it is a commonly known (and published) fact that
classical music sales via CD comprise a very miniscule proportion of current CD
sales. Labels like Naxos, who simply don't have the financial resources to
compete with the BMG's and Sony's of the recording industry, are often hard
pressed (pun intended) to hire well-known orchestras and/or soloists to compete
with the better known "names" of yesteryear (and even today).

>Again, if all one listens to is modern-crap-junko music (if we can
>call such noise "music" at all), then you obviously have a point. The
>music is created for those with little in the way of musical taste or
>an appreciation for good sound.
>

And that music is what the vast majuority of the listening public buys - by
your definition. As usual in your ignorant arrogance, you try and define "good
music" to include only what you personally like. The late, great Arthur
Fiedler (who was a friend of my family's) was once asked whether classical
music was "better" than other types of music. His answer, and I'm paraphrasing
here, was that there are only 2 types of music, and they are not
genre-specific, "good music' and "bad music". Unlike ignorant clowns like you,
Clarabelle, he also put his words in to action. His Boston Pops concerts
generally included guest soloists from a wide variety of different musical
genres (e.g. Al Hirt, Chet Atkins, the Siegal-Schwall Blues Band, even Julia
Childs (lol), and assorted rock musicians as well. But then, unlike you,
Clarabelle, he was a man of both tolerance and intelligence when it came to
musical enjoyment and performance.

>And all decently built CD and DVD players do indeed sound alike,
>Clyde.
>
>Back to my home-improvement work. Have a good rant.
>
>Howard Ferstler
>
>
>

I'd suggest you concentrate more on your mental health improvement, Clarabelle.
You could begin by acknowledging that only the voices in your head know
anybody named Clyde - lol.

As for ranting, it appears that you've just been ranting quite a bit about all
the musical tastes of all the CD/DVD userrs that you imagine don't share your
elitist and tunnel-vision sensibilities. You've also been defending, by
association, your good friend, Krueger, who rants continually about the
prefernces of those that happen to enjoy vinyl playback.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Clarabelle. Honk your horn in
Tallahassee, not here.

Bruce J. Richman

Moi

August 7th 03, 08:02 PM

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:37:50 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote in >:

>When I saw you first post again here several days ago Moi, I was wondering
>how many pleas for help you'd have to receive from Middius and his clique
>before you got your hands dirty again. So what did those guys do to get you
>to come back?

Actually, I'll tell you precisely why I came back.

I happened to browse by Furious.com, and read the latest couple
editions of Boon's "Vinyl Corner" articles there... in one of them, he
mentions the audio newsgroups (either this one specifically, or the
rec.audio.* newsgroups in general).

After reading his (imo excellent) columns, I thought "hmmm, oh yeah.
Wonder what's happening on rec.audio.opinion lately."

It's really quite that simple, Arny... no conspiracy theories, no evil
"Middius and his clique" influences, etc. You really need some help,
my friend -- you've created a self-fulfilling prophesy with your
paranoia. Nobody's out to get you but you think they are, so you act
accordingly -- which makes people want to "get you."

ROTFL!

Cheers...

---
"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."

Bruce J. Richman

August 7th 03, 08:15 PM

Moi (Tim) wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:37:50 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>wrote in >:
>
>>When I saw you first post again here several days ago Moi, I was wondering
>>how many pleas for help you'd have to receive from Middius and his clique
>>before you got your hands dirty again. So what did those guys do to get you
>>to come back?
>
>Actually, I'll tell you precisely why I came back.
>
>I happened to browse by Furious.com, and read the latest couple
>editions of Boon's "Vinyl Corner" articles there... in one of them, he
>mentions the audio newsgroups (either this one specifically, or the
>rec.audio.* newsgroups in general).
>
>After reading his (imo excellent) columns, I thought "hmmm, oh yeah.
>Wonder what's happening on rec.audio.opinion lately."
>
>It's really quite that simple, Arny... no conspiracy theories, no evil
>"Middius and his clique" influences, etc. You really need some help,
>my friend -- you've created a self-fulfilling prophesy with your
>paranoia. Nobody's out to get you but you think they are, so you act
>accordingly -- which makes people want to "get you."
>

Prove it. LOL! Moi, we missed you at the last meeting of the clique. Oops, I
hope Krueger isn't reading this! Oh well, don't forget to come to the next one
- we're going to be electing officers, playing vinyl, and having a contest to
see who can come bup with the best uses for CDs.

>ROTFL!
>
>Cheers...
>
>---
>"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
>computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Bruce J. Richman

George M. Middius

August 7th 03, 08:23 PM

Moi said to ****-for-Brains:

> It's really quite that simple, Arny... no conspiracy theories, no evil
> "Middius and his clique" influences, etc.

I would appreciate it if you would please stop making light of my vast
and potent powers of mind-control. TIA.

Moi

August 7th 03, 08:49 PM

On 07 Aug 2003 19:15:27 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
wrote in >:

>Prove it. LOL! Moi, we missed you at the last meeting of the clique. Oops, I
>hope Krueger isn't reading this! Oh well, don't forget to come to the next one
>- we're going to be electing officers, playing vinyl, and having a contest to
>see who can come bup with the best uses for CDs.

To me, the best use for CD's is to play them.

Of course, I wouldn't want do do this around Krueger, as he'd just
start jumping up & down and exclaiming "See! Ha-Ha! You're playing
CD's! I told you vinyl sounded bad!" Then I'd have to hit him over
the head with a stack of 200g LP's, and I really wouldn't want to do
that -- those heavyweight LP's can be expensive, and I'd hate to
damage any of them.

Moi

August 7th 03, 09:11 PM

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:42:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote in >:

>"Moi" > wrote in message

>
>> After reading his (imo excellent) columns, I thought "hmmm, oh yeah.
>> Wonder what's happening on rec.audio.opinion lately."
>
>Right Moi, and you came back and said something like Yecch and disappeared
>for a while.
>
>> It's really quite that simple, Arny... no conspiracy theories, no evil
>> "Middius and his clique" influences, etc.
>
>That doesn't explain the facts.

Well... if paranoid conspiracy theories do the job for you, who am I
to complain? Enjoy them.

>>Nobody's out to get you but you think they are, so you act
>> accordingly -- which makes people want to "get you."
>
>Dream on, fool!

Like I said.

Only -- may I suggest that you try one of the relatively benign
SSRI's? I understand that Paxil (paroxetine) and Luvox (fluvoxamine)
can be quite effective. Your problem really could just be as simple
as a brain chemical imbalance, and this is easily treated with very
effective and relatively side-effect free medications.

Arny Krueger

August 7th 03, 09:23 PM

"Moi" > wrote in message

> Only -- may I suggest that you try one of the relatively benign
> SSRI's? I understand that Paxil (paroxetine) and Luvox (fluvoxamine)
> can be quite effective.

Reading the bottles on your bed stand again, Moi?

> Your problem really could just be as simple
> as a brain chemical imbalance, and this is easily treated with very
> effective and relatively side-effect free medications.

Why would I believe a long distance medical diagnosis from an unqualfied
person who is under a doctor's care due to his mental state?

Moi

August 7th 03, 09:36 PM

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:23:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote in >:

>"Moi" > wrote in message

>
>> Only -- may I suggest that you try one of the relatively benign
>> SSRI's? I understand that Paxil (paroxetine) and Luvox (fluvoxamine)
>> can be quite effective.
>
>Reading the bottles on your bed stand again, Moi?

Well, it was worth a try anyway...

>> Your problem really could just be as simple
>> as a brain chemical imbalance, and this is easily treated with very
>> effective and relatively side-effect free medications.
>
>Why would I believe a long distance medical diagnosis from an unqualfied
>person who is under a doctor's care due to his mental state?

More unfounded theories? Arny, Arny, Arny... again, you've put
yourself in an impossible bind. These drugs really could help you get
out of this self-imposed mess, yet you refuse to take them and accuse
the messenger of "being under a doctor's care due to his mental state"
(of course, without any backing evidence).

I suppose it's pointless to recommend drugs -- like many people
similar to yourself, you appear to believe that the world is insane
and you're the only sound-minded person around.

Arny Krueger

August 7th 03, 09:57 PM

"Moi" > wrote in message

> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:23:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote in >:

>> "Moi" > wrote in message
>>

>>> Only -- may I suggest that you try one of the relatively benign
>>> SSRI's? I understand that Paxil (paroxetine) and Luvox
>>> (fluvoxamine) can be quite effective.

>> Reading the bottles on your bed stand again, Moi?

> Well, it was worth a try anyway...

Yawn.

>>> Your problem really could just be as simple
>>> as a brain chemical imbalance, and this is easily treated with very
>>> effective and relatively side-effect free medications.

I'll bet that low side-effect aspect is very important to you, Moi.

>> Why would I believe a long distance medical diagnosis from an
>> unqualified person who is under a doctor's care due to his mental
>> state?

I need a laugh, Moi. Tell us why you're so conversant with these common
psychologically therapeutic drugs. Make it a good story that doesn't
implicate you.

;-)

> More unfounded theories? Arny, Arny, Arny... again, you've put
> yourself in an impossible bind. These drugs really could help you get
> out of this self-imposed mess, yet you refuse to take them and accuse
> the messenger of "being under a doctor's care due to his mental state"
> (of course, without any backing evidence).

Blather, blather, blather.

> I suppose it's pointless to recommend drugs -- like many people
> similar to yourself, you appear to believe that the world is insane
> and you're the only sound-minded person around.

Not at all. The world is full of wonderful people, virtually all just fine.
Ditto for Usenet, although the environment seems to promote quite a bit more
extremism and controversy.

Then there's RAO... It's a very unique place. More nuts per square foot than
the ground under my walnut tree. Go figure.

Moi

August 7th 03, 10:20 PM

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:57:02 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote in >:

>>> Why would I believe a long distance medical diagnosis from an
>>> unqualified person who is under a doctor's care due to his mental
>>> state?
>
>I need a laugh, Moi. Tell us why you're so conversant with these common
>psychologically therapeutic drugs. Make it a good story that doesn't
>implicate you.

A Google search on the term "antidepressants." I'm not sure whether
that "implicates me" of something (other than being able to use a
search engine) in your paranoid universe, but if it does, do tell...

>> More unfounded theories? Arny, Arny, Arny... again, you've put
>> yourself in an impossible bind. These drugs really could help you get
>> out of this self-imposed mess, yet you refuse to take them and accuse
>> the messenger of "being under a doctor's care due to his mental state"
>> (of course, without any backing evidence).
>
>Blather, blather, blather.

A very intelligent response, thanks.

>Then there's RAO... It's a very unique place. More nuts per square foot than
>the ground under my walnut tree. Go figure.

Yes, your presence seems to drive quite a few people (figuratively)
nuts. You do get that much-needed attention, tho...

Bruce J. Richman

August 7th 03, 10:43 PM

Moi wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:42:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>wrote in >:
>
>>"Moi" > wrote in message

>>
>>> After reading his (imo excellent) columns, I thought "hmmm, oh yeah.
>>> Wonder what's happening on rec.audio.opinion lately."
>>
>>Right Moi, and you came back and said something like Yecch and disappeared
>>for a while.
>>
>>> It's really quite that simple, Arny... no conspiracy theories, no evil
>>> "Middius and his clique" influences, etc.
>>
>>That doesn't explain the facts.
>
>Well... if paranoid conspiracy theories do the job for you, who am I
>to complain? Enjoy them.
>
>>>Nobody's out to get you but you think they are, so you act
>>> accordingly -- which makes people want to "get you."
>>
>>Dream on, fool!
>
>Like I said.
>
>Only -- may I suggest that you try one of the relatively benign
>SSRI's? I understand that Paxil (paroxetine) and Luvox (fluvoxamine)
>can be quite effective. Your problem really could just be as simple
>as a brain chemical imbalance, and this is easily treated with very
>effective and relatively side-effect free medications.
>
>
>
>

Hi, Moi. I don't wish to interfere with your well-intentioned desire to help
Krueger reduce his paranoid ideation and other assorted internal demons.
However, a few modifications may be necessary. Prozac's main use is in the
treatment of depression, although it has been used for other conditions as
well. Since it is, for many people, and "energizing" SSRI (serotonin reuptake
inhibitor), it might not be wise to suggest this to one with what are sometimes
called "active" symptoms of psychosis or thought disorder such as the paranoid
conspiracy theiries frequently voiced by Krueger on RAO. There is the danger
that it might actually exacerbate rather than diminish his rage and paranoia,
especially in this environment, surrounded by so many real and imagined
"enemies". As for Luvox, it's most widely known usage, AFAIK, is for the
treatment of obsessive-compulsive disorder. I suppose one could make the case,
based on his compulsive ravings and rantings about vinyl equipment and media,
as well as his compulsive need over a 7 year period to insult and attack more
individual posters on RAO than anybody else (by a wide margin), that OCD is a
reasonable label to attach tohis behavior. Be that as it may, I would
respectfully suggest, that at least one of the more current anti-psychotic
medications such as Zyprexa or Risperidol might be worth a clinical trial. Of
course, these should be administered under a Board-certified psychiatrist's
supervision and ongoing aqssessment.

>
>
>

Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman

August 8th 03, 01:21 AM

Parl Dermer wrote:

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote:
>
>>Hi, Moi. I don't wish to interfere with your well-intentioned desire to
>help
>>Krueger reduce his paranoid ideation and other assorted internal demons.
>>However, a few modifications may be necessary. Prozac's main use is in the
>>treatment of depression, although it has been used for other conditions as
>>well. Since it is, for many people, and "energizing" SSRI (serotonin
>reuptake
>>inhibitor), it might not be wise to suggest this to one with what are
>sometimes
>>called "active" symptoms of psychosis or thought disorder such as the
>paranoid
>>conspiracy theiries frequently voiced by Krueger on RAO. There is the
>danger
>>that it might actually exacerbate rather than diminish his rage and
>paranoia,
>>especially in this environment, surrounded by so many real and imagined
>>"enemies". As for Luvox, it's most widely known usage, AFAIK, is for the
>>treatment of obsessive-compulsive disorder. I suppose one could make the
>case,
>>based on his compulsive ravings and rantings about vinyl equipment and
>media,
>>as well as his compulsive need over a 7 year period to insult and attack
>more
>>individual posters on RAO than anybody else (by a wide margin), that OCD is
>a
>>reasonable label to attach tohis behavior. Be that as it may, I would
>>respectfully suggest, that at least one of the more current anti-psychotic
>>medications such as Zyprexa or Risperidol might be worth a clinical trial.
>Of
>>course, these should be administered under a Board-certified psychiatrist's
>>supervision and ongoing aqssessment.
>
>I don't care what medication Krooger is put on so long as it renders
>him unable to operate a keyboard.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Couldn't he then use voice recognition software? But seriouskly, I think your
proposed additional treatment goal for him is one that most of us could buy off
on. LOTS!

Actually, in the days when drugs like Thorazine and Chlorpromazine, and to a
lesser extent Haldol, were among the most widely used antipsychotic
medications, the side effects might have given you your wish. Unless combind
with certain other medications such as Cogentin or Artane (which were not
availabe many years ago), many of the people who used these drugs developed
mild-to-severe tremors in the hands and sometimes the mouth area as well - an
unfortunate side effect associated with these drugs. Keyboard use would have
been fairly difficult if not impossible.

BTW, I think we forgot one of the most important drugs of all that he would
benefit from - Sodium Pentothal, commonly known as "truth serum".

If it works on him, it will work on anyone!

Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman

August 8th 03, 02:19 AM

Parl wrote:

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote:
>
>>>I don't care what medication Krooger is put on so long as it renders
>>>him unable to operate a keyboard.
>>
>>Couldn't he then use voice recognition software?
>
>Has anybody yet devised the algorithm that can convert "Sqauaaawk!!!"
>into decipherable text?
>

jProve it. In addition, show that a Krooglish module is not available for VR
software.

>>But seriouskly, I think your
>>proposed additional treatment goal for him is one that most of us could buy
>off
>>on. LOTS!
>>
>>Actually, in the days when drugs like Thorazine and Chlorpromazine, and to a
>>lesser extent Haldol, were among the most widely used antipsychotic
>>medications, the side effects might have given you your wish. Unless
>combind
>>with certain other medications such as Cogentin or Artane (which were not
>>availabe many years ago), many of the people who used these drugs developed
>>mild-to-severe tremors in the hands and sometimes the mouth area as well -
>an
>>unfortunate side effect associated with these drugs. Keyboard use would
>have
>>been fairly difficult if not impossible.
>
>I'm sure when a medical professional is given the rare opportunity to
>prescribe for Mr Krueger, a brief encounter with said individual will
>result in a serious review of the frankly miraculous properties of
>these antiquated chemicals. He is indeed, a "special" case.
>
>>BTW, I think we forgot one of the most important drugs of all that he would
>>benefit from - Sodium Pentothal, commonly known as "truth serum".
>>
>>If it works on him, it will work on anyone!
>
>Alas, Kroogers head is hard-wired.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Bruce J. Richman

Hans

August 8th 03, 05:12 AM

"Parl Dermer" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
> "Hans" > wrote:
>
> >i had about 1600 lp's. Someone then decided to steal my entire
> >collection together with the rest of my equipment,
>
> Frickin' hell.. that's quite a job!

I'd live at ground floor, easy undisturbed access to the backside of the
house, no doggies around at the neighbours, and i was admitted 3 days at the
local hospital.

They must have been pretty well organized because, apart from the lp's and
record player they took the rest: A Phase Linear Dual 500, two Phase Linear
400's, a Phase Linear 4000, my electronic crossover and my JBL4333 in sand
filled cabinets.

None of the items ever surfaced again, and even today i haven't got a clue
who i might have been. I really felt sick about it for a couple of years,
and moved away from the neighbourhood at first chance.

Hope this never happens to others.

/ Hans

Moi

August 8th 03, 07:57 AM

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:59:46 +0100, Parl Dermer >
wrote in >:

>"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>>I sold off my 1,200+ LP
>>collection after I voluntarily obtained my first CD player because I quickly
>>became disappointed with their sound quality.
>
>....and you've been bitter ever since. Congratulations!

Considering how bad early CD's and players were (horrendous
quantization noise, up to and including "metallic, robotic" fadeouts
and note releases) it appears "both stupid and bitter" might be a
better description. Anyone who would trade a good sounding LP for the
horrors of early digital either had a tin ear or a terrible analog
playback system (or both).

Arny Krueger

August 8th 03, 10:11 AM

"Moi" > wrote in message

> On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:59:46 +0100, Parl Dermer >
> wrote in >:
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>> I sold off my 1,200+ LP
>>> collection after I voluntarily obtained my first CD player because
>>> I quickly became disappointed with their sound quality.

>> ....and you've been bitter ever since. Congratulations!

I've been far happier with the sound quality of the playback of my
recordings ever since.

> Considering how bad early CD's and players were (horrendous
> quantization noise, up to and including "metallic, robotic" fadeouts
> and note releases) it appears "both stupid and bitter" might be a
> better description.

You shoulda gotten a good player the first time around, Moi. My first CD
player cost me $900, and it was worth every penny.

> Anyone who would trade a good sounding LP for the
> horrors of early digital either had a tin ear or a terrible analog
> playback system (or both).

And that is why Richman is now claiming that my last vinyl playback system
before CDs is still too rich for his blood?

LOL!

Arny Krueger

August 8th 03, 10:14 AM

"Hans" > wrote in message
k
> "Parl Dermer" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
>> "Hans" > wrote:
>>
>>> i had about 1600 lp's. Someone then decided to steal my entire
>>> collection together with the rest of my equipment,
>>
>> Frickin' hell.. that's quite a job!
>
> I'd live at ground floor, easy undisturbed access to the backside of
> the house, no doggies around at the neighbours, and i was admitted 3
> days at the local hospital.
>
> They must have been pretty well organized because, apart from the
> lp's and record player they took the rest: A Phase Linear Dual 500,
> two Phase Linear 400's, a Phase Linear 4000, my electronic crossover
> and my JBL4333 in sand filled cabinets.

What with all that shrieky-sounding legacy JBL garbage, the flame linear
crap and the gritty-sounding vinyl, it sounds to me like someone was trying
to do you a favor.

Are you sure this wasn't an intervention staged by some of your audio
friends?

Daniel

August 8th 03, 01:00 PM

"Hans" > wrote in message >...
> "Parl Dermer" > skrev i en meddelelse
> ...
> > "Hans" > wrote:
> >
> > >i had about 1600 lp's. Someone then decided to steal my entire
> > >collection together with the rest of my equipment,
> >
> > Frickin' hell.. that's quite a job!
>
> I'd live at ground floor, easy undisturbed access to the backside of the
> house, no doggies around at the neighbours, and i was admitted 3 days at the
> local hospital.
>
> They must have been pretty well organized because, apart from the lp's and
> record player they took the rest: A Phase Linear Dual 500, two Phase Linear
> 400's, a Phase Linear 4000, my electronic crossover and my JBL4333 in sand
> filled cabinets.
>
> None of the items ever surfaced again, and even today i haven't got a clue
> who i might have been. I really felt sick about it for a couple of years,
> and moved away from the neighbourhood at first chance.
>
> Hope this never happens to others.
>
> / Hans

I had all my records stolen once in the 1970s, the day after moving
into my first college apartment. I think it was someone in the
neighborhood, after seeing us move in.

Later that summer, someone else stole my KLH stereo and the records I
bought to replace the first set. It was only around 50 records each
time, but still...

The second thief was probably a so-called friend, the rich kid in our
crowd, as it turned out. One of his favorite hobbies, right after
wrecking cars, was stealing from his friends (a bike from one girl, a
car stereo from my roommate, for which he got caught, more I never
knew about specifically). I don't know for sure, but he had dropped me
off at my girlfriend's house in another neighborhood about an hour
before the theft.

The "friend" couldn't have been the first thief, as I didn't know him
then.

S888Wheel

August 8th 03, 01:02 PM

<<
If you clowns would develop some genuine musical taste you would not
be in such a fix. Classical recordings (many of which I review and
will continue to review for The Sensible Sound) are as good as ever,
and many are better than ever. Even low-priced labels like Naxos are
delivering superb performances and sound.
>>

Psudo-intelectual snobery noted. Tell us, do you actually write the reviews or
do you just copy the liner notes and take credit for them?

Arny Krueger

August 8th 03, 01:54 PM

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

> <<
> If you clowns would develop some genuine musical taste you would not
> be in such a fix. Classical recordings (many of which I review and
> will continue to review for The Sensible Sound) are as good as ever,
> and many are better than ever. Even low-priced labels like Naxos are
> delivering superb performances and sound.
> >>
>
>
> Psudo-intelectual snobery noted. Tell us, do you actually write the
> reviews or do you just copy the liner notes and take credit for them?

Do tell us about all the reviews you've had printed in *any* magazine, web
site, or club meeting announcement, sockpuppet "Wheel".

If you weren't so numb from the neck up sockpuppet Wheel that would have
really hurt. But, I'm sure it causes you no pain whatsover. I can't hurt
what's already dead!

dave weil

August 8th 03, 02:09 PM

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:12:01 +0200, "Hans" >
wrote:

>"Parl Dermer" > skrev i en meddelelse
...
>> "Hans" > wrote:
>>
>> >i had about 1600 lp's. Someone then decided to steal my entire
>> >collection together with the rest of my equipment,
>>
>> Frickin' hell.. that's quite a job!
>
>I'd live at ground floor, easy undisturbed access to the backside of the
>house, no doggies around at the neighbours, and i was admitted 3 days at the
>local hospital.
>
>They must have been pretty well organized because, apart from the lp's and
>record player they took the rest: A Phase Linear Dual 500, two Phase Linear
>400's, a Phase Linear 4000, my electronic crossover and my JBL4333 in sand
>filled cabinets.

Did you check the local body shop? Maybe they needed a welding device
<chuckle>.

>None of the items ever surfaced again, and even today i haven't got a clue
>who i might have been. I really felt sick about it for a couple of years,
>and moved away from the neighbourhood at first chance.
>
>Hope this never happens to others.

Seriously, that sucks. My house was broken into during the 70s. There
was this guy that the press dubbed Bigfoot. That's because he kicked
in doors (dead bolts were no match for this guy).

I got home one day to find my two doors wide open (the security glass
door was knocked almost off of its hinges - never figured out how he
did it).

On the floor was a trickle of LPs leading from the porch to the LP
collection. Also gone were the amp and preamp. I guess he found the
EPI EMT-5s (or whatever those puppies were called) just too darn
heavy.

Fortunately that hasn't happened since. Maybe it's the alarm system
that I turn on when I leave the house - yes Powell, I'm not an
idiot...or maybe it's just the alarm company signs in every window and
on the lawn...

dave weil

August 8th 03, 02:21 PM

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:14:14 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"Hans" > wrote in message
k
>> "Parl Dermer" > skrev i en meddelelse
>> ...
>>> "Hans" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> i had about 1600 lp's. Someone then decided to steal my entire
>>>> collection together with the rest of my equipment,
>>>
>>> Frickin' hell.. that's quite a job!
>>
>> I'd live at ground floor, easy undisturbed access to the backside of
>> the house, no doggies around at the neighbours, and i was admitted 3
>> days at the local hospital.
>>
>> They must have been pretty well organized because, apart from the
>> lp's and record player they took the rest: A Phase Linear Dual 500,
>> two Phase Linear 400's, a Phase Linear 4000, my electronic crossover
>> and my JBL4333 in sand filled cabinets.
>
>What with all that shrieky-sounding legacy JBL garbage, the flame linear
>crap and the gritty-sounding vinyl, it sounds to me like someone was trying
>to do you a favor.
>
>Are you sure this wasn't an intervention staged by some of your audio
>friends?

Apparently you've changed your tune since you wrote this:

<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=phase+linear+arny&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=levO2.422%24wL5.135%40news.flash.net&rnum=21>

Me:
>I'm not talking about them "testing" like they etch glass, and so the
>reference to reference gear is irrelevant, I'm talking about the pain to
>the ears with some of that early gear, up to and including
>Phase Linear in the 70s.

You:
Some of that was real, some seems to have been imagined. Some writers
thought that the PL 400 was a very transparent amp in its day. I've
done some "just listening" comparisons involving it, and the result is
that I don't slam it like others who have not had the educational
experience seem to pleasure themselves by doing.

Glad to see that you apparently now agree with my statement. And that
you are now willing to slam them.

Thank you.

dave weil

August 8th 03, 02:22 PM

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 12:08:51 +0100, Thine Deville
> wrote:

>On 08 Aug 2003 00:21:02 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
>wrote:
>
>>>I don't care what medication Krooger is put on so long as it renders
>>>him unable to operate a keyboard.
>
>>Couldn't he then use voice recognition software?
>
>He'd need a specially EQd mike for that to work.

But it would lie to him, so what's the pont?

Arny Krueger

August 8th 03, 03:08 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:14:14 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Hans" > wrote in message
>> k
>>> "Parl Dermer" > skrev i en meddelelse
>>> ...
>>>> "Hans" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i had about 1600 lp's. Someone then decided to steal my entire
>>>>> collection together with the rest of my equipment,
>>>>
>>>> Frickin' hell.. that's quite a job!
>>>
>>> I'd live at ground floor, easy undisturbed access to the backside of
>>> the house, no doggies around at the neighbours, and i was admitted 3
>>> days at the local hospital.
>>>
>>> They must have been pretty well organized because, apart from the
>>> lp's and record player they took the rest: A Phase Linear Dual 500,
>>> two Phase Linear 400's, a Phase Linear 4000, my electronic crossover
>>> and my JBL4333 in sand filled cabinets.
>>
>> What with all that shrieky-sounding legacy JBL garbage, the flame
>> linear crap and the gritty-sounding vinyl, it sounds to me like
>> someone was trying to do you a favor.
>>
>> Are you sure this wasn't an intervention staged by some of your audio
>> friends?
>
> Apparently you've changed your tune since you wrote this:
>
>
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=phase+linear+arny&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe
=off&selm=levO2.422%24wL5.135%40news.flash.net&rnum=21>
>
> Me:
>> I'm not talking about them "testing" like they etch glass, and so the
>> reference to reference gear is irrelevant, I'm talking about the
>> pain to the ears with some of that early gear, up to and including
>> Phase Linear in the 70s.
>
> You:
> Some of that was real, some seems to have been imagined. Some writers
> thought that the PL 400 was a very transparent amp in its day. I've
> done some "just listening" comparisons involving it, and the result is
> that I don't slam it like others who have not had the educational
> experience seem to pleasure themselves by doing.
>
> Glad to see that you apparently now agree with my statement. And that
> you are now willing to slam them.

As usual you can't read, Weil.

This time you missed so much stuff that it's not even worth pointing it out
to you.

Bruce J. Richman

August 8th 03, 06:35 PM

Moi wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:59:46 +0100, Parl Dermer >
>wrote in >:
>
>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>>I sold off my 1,200+ LP
>>>collection after I voluntarily obtained my first CD player because I
>quickly
>>>became disappointed with their sound quality.
>>
>>....and you've been bitter ever since. Congratulations!
>
>Considering how bad early CD's and players were (horrendous
>quantization noise, up to and including "metallic, robotic" fadeouts
>and note releases) it appears "both stupid and bitter" might be a
>better description. Anyone who would trade a good sounding LP for the
>horrors of early digital either had a tin ear or a terrible analog
>playback system (or both).
>
>
>
>
>
>

In compulsive liar Krueger's case, bitter, stupid and both would appear to be
the choices. Logic and Krueger are mutually exclusive. But dedicated
anti-vinyl, atni-tube, anti-subjerctive-opinion, anti-individual preference
zealots like Krueger don';t care about such trivial considerations as logic,
evidence or truth since they've never met a lie they couldn't easily embrace
and promote.

Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman

August 8th 03, 06:39 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:

>
>"Moi" > wrote in message

>> On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:59:46 +0100, Parl Dermer >
>> wrote in >:
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I sold off my 1,200+ LP
>>>> collection after I voluntarily obtained my first CD player because
>>>> I quickly became disappointed with their sound quality.
>
>>> ....and you've been bitter ever since. Congratulations!
>
>I've been far happier with the sound quality of the playback of my
>recordings ever since.
>
>> Considering how bad early CD's and players were (horrendous
>> quantization noise, up to and including "metallic, robotic" fadeouts
>> and note releases) it appears "both stupid and bitter" might be a
>> better description.
>
>You shoulda gotten a good player the first time around, Moi. My first CD
>player cost me $900, and it was worth every penny.
>
>> Anyone who would trade a good sounding LP for the
>> horrors of early digital either had a tin ear or a terrible analog
>> playback system (or both).
>
>And that is why Richman is now claiming that my last vinyl playback system
>before CDs is still too rich for his blood?
>
>LOL!
>
>
>
>

Prove it. LOL! Obviously, compulsive liar Krueger is now pathetically and
desperately trying to once agiain distort and misrepresent what I've said. And
all because I pointed out that - as is fraudulent and deceptive havit - he
tried to cherry pick an analogue prouct to "prove" his faulty argument that
analog gear was more expensive or as expensive as reel-to-reel tape recorders
such as Revox and Tandberg on an average basis 25 to 35 years ago.

With each new lie, Krueger just adds to his lack of credibility.

LOL!

Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman

August 8th 03, 06:41 PM

Thine wrote:

>On 08 Aug 2003 00:21:02 GMT, (Bruce J. Richman)
>wrote:
>
>>>I don't care what medication Krooger is put on so long as it renders
>>>him unable to operate a keyboard.
>
>>Couldn't he then use voice recognition software?
>
>He'd need a specially EQd mike for that to work.
>
>--
>Thine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I think you're 100% correct. Allowances for Krooglish, mendacity and
shrillness would no doubt have to be made.

Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman

August 8th 03, 06:53 PM

Scott wrote:

><<
>If you clowns would develop some genuine musical taste you would not
>be in such a fix. Classical recordings (many of which I review and
>will continue to review for The Sensible Sound) are as good as ever,
>and many are better than ever. Even low-priced labels like Naxos are
>delivering superb performances and sound.
> >>
>
>
>Psudo-intelectual snobery noted. Tell us, do you actually write the reviews
>or
>do you just copy the liner notes and take credit for them?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Need you ask? I have to confess to something like this, although not literally
in my college days. I was a DJ at our college FM radio station, and hosted a
classical music show. My lead-in was Ketelby's In A Persian Market - a piece I
enjoy to this very day (on - gasp - a CD containing a nice collection of
Ketelby selections - "In A Monastery Garden" on London 444786). By way of
providing some information for the listeners concerning the composers and
compositions I wis playing on the air, I would scan the record jackets, find
some interesting biographical data or history about the particular composition,
and then basically edit and paraphrase it on the air.
It appears that some of the listeners assumed I had this encyclopedic knowledge
about the Baroque, Romantic and Modern Eras of Classical music since I would
then get frequent favorable comments about the show. Needless to say, I didn't
disabuse them of this impression. (In point of fact, my mother worked for the
Boston Symphony Orchestra when I was quite young, and I was brought up with a
heavy exposure to classical music, played a couple of musical instruments in
HS, college and professional bands, and sang in both glee clubs and choirs
during those years. So I *did* have more than a smattering of knowledge in
some of these area :) :) ).

Bruce J. Richman

Arny Krueger

August 8th 03, 07:14 PM

"Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

> And all because I pointed out that - as
> is fraudulent and deceptive havit - he tried to cherry pick an
> analogue product to "prove" his faulty argument that analog gear was
> more expensive or as expensive as reel-to-reel tape recorders such as
> Revox and Tandberg on an average basis 25 to 35 years ago.

Yup, I dared to compare the price of my circa 1970 Thorens/SME/Shure vinyl
rig to the Revox A77 I owned at the same time. Pardon me for thinking that
these two popular somewhat upscale alternatives were not "cherry picked" but
typical of the time.

Let me guess. In 1970 Richman was listening to audio gear by Playskool. Or
perhaps he was just a gleam in the eye of the Miami Dolphins...

Bruce J. Richman

August 8th 03, 07:35 PM

Krueger continues his usual, rather predictable, character assassination
campaign:

>Bruce J. Richman" > wrote in message

>
>> And all because I pointed out that - as
>> is fraudulent and deceptive havit - he tried to cherry pick an
>> analogue product to "prove" his faulty argument that analog gear was
>> more expensive or as expensive as reel-to-reel tape recorders such as
>> Revox and Tandberg on an average basis 25 to 35 years ago.
>
>Yup, I dared to compare the price of my circa 1970 Thorens/SME/Shure vinyl
>rig to the Revox A77 I owned at the same time. Pardon me for thinking that
>these two popular somewhat upscale alternatives were not "cherry picked" but
>typical of the time.
>
>Let me guess. In 1970 Richman was listening to audio gear by Playskool. Or
>perhaps he was just a gleam in the eye of the Miami Dolphins...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

One can always tell when the slanderer, liar and delusional imbecile, Krueger,
has been exposed for his usual fraudulent representations. He descends into
the cesspool he's created on RAO with his usual personal, ad hominem attacks.
Sadly, his creativity or supposed "wit" comes out more like imbecility nad
apparent "****". This retarded sociopath can't even reasonably approximate my
age, birthplace or anything else about me.

His combination of stupidity and psychotic ramblings gains more exposure on RAO
with every utterance of this compulsive liar and slanderer.

His inability to even remotely counter the overwhelming evidence that has once
again torpedoed his bull**** about analog audio equipment is duly noted.

LOL!

Bruce J. Richman

Moi

August 8th 03, 07:53 PM

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:54:59 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote in >:

>Do tell us about all the reviews you've had printed in *any* magazine, web
>site, or club meeting announcement, sockpuppet "Wheel".
>
>If you weren't so numb from the neck up sockpuppet Wheel that would have
>really hurt. But, I'm sure it causes you no pain whatsover. I can't hurt
>what's already dead!

What ever happened to "tough love," you lying POS? Now you're trying
to hurt people?

Hypocrite.

S888Wheel

August 9th 03, 04:07 AM

Howard said

>> If you clowns would develop some genuine musical taste you would not
>> be in such a fix. Classical recordings (many of which I review and
>> will continue to review for The Sensible Sound) are as good as ever,
>
>> and many are better than ever. Even low-priced labels like Naxos are
>> delivering superb performances and sound.

I said

>
>> Psudo-intelectual snobery noted. Tell us, do you actually write the
>> reviews or do you just copy the liner notes and take credit for them?

Arny said

>
>Do tell us about all the reviews you've had printed in *any* magazine, web
>site, or club meeting announcement, sockpuppet "Wheel".

About as many as you. Is the fact that I am not a writer by trade lost on you?
OTOH I and my work have been the subject of numerous magazine articles and
books. What about you Arny? How many magazine articles have been printed about
your work?

Arny said

>
>If you weren't so numb from the neck up sockpuppet Wheel that would have
>really hurt.

Personal attack noted. Lack of awarness that I am not a writer also noted. Or
was that just failed logic on your part Arny?

Arny said

>But, I'm sure it causes you no pain whatsover.

Of course it causes me no pain whatsoever for you to point out I have never
published any reviews on audio anywhere. that isn't what I do. It isn't
something I have ever tried to do.

Arny said

> I can't hurt
>what's already dead!

Personal attack noted. Arny, you can't hurt those who don't take you or your
opinions seriously. You are simply not important to me.

George M. Middius

August 9th 03, 05:12 AM

S888Wheel said to ****-for-Brains:

> What about you Arny? How many magazine articles have been printed about your work?

If you consider Mr. **** to be a piece of work, then he's been
featured in three or four articles in psychology journals.

Arny Krueger

August 9th 03, 06:13 AM

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

> Howard said

>>> If you clowns would develop some genuine musical taste you would not
>>> be in such a fix. Classical recordings (many of which I review and
>>> will continue to review for The Sensible Sound) are as good as ever,

>>> and many are better than ever. Even low-priced labels like Naxos are
>>> delivering superb performances and sound.

> I said

>>> Psudo-intelectual snobery noted. Tell us, do you actually write the
>>> reviews or do you just copy the liner notes and take credit for
>>> them?

> Arny said

>> Do tell us about all the reviews you've had printed in *any*
>> magazine, web site, or club meeting announcement, sockpuppet "Wheel".

> About as many as you.

OK, list 'em out, because I've had a few magazine articles that I wrote
published. The last one was in The Audiophile Voice a few years ago.

>Is the fact that I am not a writer by trade lost on you?

OK sockpuppet wheel so you're another bozo with a big mouth and nothing to
back it up.

> OTOH I and my work have been the subject of numerous
> magazine articles and books.

So sockpuppet Wheel, you're a well-known pedophile like Marc Phillips and
George Middius?

> What about you Arny? How many magazine
> articles have been printed about your work?

Just the ones I wrote. But unlike you, I don't attract crime reporters.

> Arny said

>> If you weren't so numb from the neck up sockpuppet Wheel that would
>> have really hurt.

> Personal attack noted. Lack of awareness that I am not a writer also
> noted. Or was that just failed logic on your part Arny?

I should have figured that you weren't a writer from the illiterate way you
write, sockpuppet Wheel.

> Arny said
>
>> But, I'm sure it causes you no pain whatsoever.

> Of course it causes me no pain whatsoever for you to point out I have
> never published any reviews on audio anywhere. that isn't what I do.

OK sockpuppet wheel, so you're not only a widely-reported pedophile and
proud of it, but you're also a hypocrite.

> It isn't something I have ever tried to do.

It would take a little thinking, creativity and literacy. Hmm three strikes
sockpuppet Wheel, and you're out!

> Arny said
>
>> I can't hurt what's already dead!

> Personal attack noted. Arny, you can't hurt those who don't take you
> or your opinions seriously. You are simply not important to me.

Sure sockpuppet wheel, that's why you write all these extensive posts to me.
I'm so unimportant to you!

LOL!

Arny Krueger

August 9th 03, 07:39 PM

"S888Wheel" > wrote in message

>> Howard said
>
>>>> If you clowns would develop some genuine musical taste you would
>>>> not be in such a fix. Classical recordings (many of which I review
>>>> and will continue to review for The Sensible Sound) are as good as
>>>> ever,
>
>>>> and many are better than ever. Even low-priced labels like Naxos
>>>> are delivering superb performances and sound.
> >>
>
>
> <<
>> I said
>
>>>> Psudo-intelectual snobery noted. Tell us, do you actually write the
>>>> reviews or do you just copy the liner notes and take credit for
>>>> them?
> >>
>
>
> <<
>> Arny said
>
>>> Do tell us about all the reviews you've had printed in *any*
>>> magazine, web site, or club meeting announcement, sockpuppet
>>> "Wheel".
> >>
>
> Arny said
>
>
> <<
> OK, list 'em out, because I've had a few magazine articles that I
> wrote published. The last one was in The Audiophile Voice a few years
> ago. >>
>
> You have written published reviews? Cite them.
>
>
> I said
>
>
> <<
>> Is the fact that I am not a writer by trade lost on you?
> >>
>
>
> Arny said
>
>
> <<
> OK sockpuppet wheel so you're another bozo with a big mouth and
> nothing to back it up. >>
>
>
> Personal attack noted. Failed logic that if one is not a writer they
> must be a "bozo with a big mouth and nothing to back it up " also
> noted. But then what does that make you by your own logic? Some one
> far lower in the pecking order than Howard?
>
>
> I said
>
> <<
>
>> OTOH I and my work have been the subject of numerous
>> magazine articles and books.
> >>
>
>
> Arny said
>
> <<
> So sockpuppet Wheel, you're a well-known pedophile like Marc Phillips
> and George Middius?
> >>

> Now you have crossed the line.

So what are you going to do sockpuppet "Wheel"?

Cry, wet your pants or what?

BTW sockpuppet "Wheel", thanks for agreeing that Marc Phillips and George
Middius are known to you to be pedophiles.