How to choose a subwoofer for a small room?

[HONG KONGer]

Just for my bed room, which kind of sub should I buy?

[Arny Krueger]

"HONG KONGer" > wrote in message


> Just for my bed room, which kind of sub should I buy?

How low (frequency wise) do you want to go?

[Arny Krueger]

"HONG KONGer" > wrote in message


> I want to buy the Sunfire Junior cos it's small that I need. It can
> go down to 22Hz 0-3dB. So I would like to get a sub that can go down
> to 22Hz.

So are you saying that you are looking for something that competes
head-to-head with the Sunfire Junior?

IOW do want something that is at least as small, goes as least as deep, and
costs no more, preferably less?

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "HONG KONGer" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Just for my bed room, which kind of sub should I buy?
>>
>> How low (frequency wise) do you want to go?

[HONG KONGer]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> So are you saying that you are looking for something that competes
> head-to-head with the Sunfire Junior?

Exactly

> IOW do want something that is at least as small, goes as least as deep,
and
> costs no more, preferably less?

Yes. But I don't know what is IOW.

[Nousaine]

"HONG KONGer" wrote:



>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>> So are you saying that you are looking for something that competes
>> head-to-head with the Sunfire Junior?
>
>Exactly
>
>> IOW do want something that is at least as small, goes as least as deep,
>and
>> costs no more, preferably less?
>
>Yes. But I don't know what is IOW.

I've not evaluated the Jr but the Hsu VTF-2 outperforms the Sunfire True by a
fair margin.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:44:10 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

>> Nousiane shilled:
>>
>>> I've not evaluated the Jr but the Hsu VTF-2 outperforms the Sunfire
>>> True by a fair margin.
>>
>> Clearly Hsu had the good sense to dump Clerkenstein as their Usenet
>> spokesborg following his meltdown last month. It's a testimony to
>> their dreadful marketing skills, however, that they believe the odious
>> Nousiane will convey a greater credibility to their cheesy line of
>> subs. Not only are Hsu's products unlikely to be the equal of those
>> marketed through traditional channels, but since you can only get them
>> mail order, you won't know if you like it until you've already bought
>> and paid for it.
>
>What Middius apparently doesn't know is that speakers, particularly
>subwoofers *never* sound the same in your listening room as the store. I
>think that just about anybody who bought speakers and took them home and
>listened to them knows that, so go figure.
>
>Therefore you *never* know if you like a give speaker until you've already
>bought and pay for it.

Mr. Krueger, please post when you're sober.

<guffaw>

>Time to look at retailer return policies, no?

No, time for you to seek help for your abuse problem.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:58:07 -0500, dave weil >
wrote:

>On 02 Aug 2003 19:10:41 GMT, (Nousaine) wrote:
>
>> "HONG KONGer" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>>>> So are you saying that you are looking for something that competes
>>>> head-to-head with the Sunfire Junior?
>>>
>>>Exactly
>>>
>>>> IOW do want something that is at least as small, goes as least as deep,
>>>and
>>>> costs no more, preferably less?
>>>
>>>Yes. But I don't know what is IOW.
>>
>>I've not evaluated the Jr but the Hsu VTF-2 outperforms the Sunfire True by a
>>fair margin.
>
>That's the thing about you guys. You don't seem to read.
>
>There's no way that the VTF-2 "outperforms" the Sunfire in 33% of
>what's important to the poster.
>
>Try reading the subject header to give you a clue about what I'm
>talking about.

BTW, when I said "you guys", I didn't mean Mr. Krueger, in this case
at least, since he seemed to at least respect the needs of the poster,
by asking pertinent questions.

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

>
> There's no way that the VTF-2 "outperforms" the Sunfire in 33% of
> what's important to the poster.

Prove it.

Then brush up on your reading comprehension skills Weil, and note that the
question was not about the Sunfire, but rather the question was about the
Sunfire Junior.

[Nousaine]

"Arny Krueger" wrote:



>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>>
>> There's no way that the VTF-2 "outperforms" the Sunfire in 33% of
>> what's important to the poster.
>
>Prove it.
>
>Then brush up on your reading comprehension skills Weil, and note that the
>question was not about the Sunfire, but rather the question was about the
>Sunfire Junior.

Even so the VTF-2 is marginally larger, has susbstantially greater output,
similar feature set and extension and costs much less than either model.

[Margaret von Busenhalter]

"Nousaine" > wrote in message
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> "HONG KONGer" wrote:
>
>
>
> >"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> So are you saying that you are looking for something that competes
> >> head-to-head with the Sunfire Junior?
> >
> >Exactly
> >
> >> IOW do want something that is at least as small, goes as least as deep,
> >and
> >> costs no more, preferably less?
> >
> >Yes. But I don't know what is IOW.
>
> I've not evaluated the Jr but the Hsu VTF-2 outperforms the Sunfire True
by a
> fair margin.

Do not believe Nousaine's dishonest saleshacking. He's associated with Hsu.

The truth is that Hsu subwoofers are cheaply and poorly constructed and many
of them develop rattles and noises after only a few months. The company is
famous for claiming that these rattles are "bass" or "part of the music".
Hsu is such garbage that they have to saleshack internet with scammers like
Nousaine because no honest dealer will carry the line.

The Sunfire is CLEARLY a SUPERIOR product.


Cheers,

MvB

[dave weil]

On 02 Aug 2003 22:21:33 GMT, (Nousaine) wrote:

>"Arny Krueger" wrote:
>
>
>
>>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>>>
>>> There's no way that the VTF-2 "outperforms" the Sunfire in 33% of
>>> what's important to the poster.
>>
>>Prove it.
>>
>>Then brush up on your reading comprehension skills Weil, and note that the
>>question was not about the Sunfire, but rather the question was about the
>>Sunfire Junior.
>
>Even so the VTF-2 is marginally larger,

And this seems to be among the most important of the criteria
mentioned by the poster. I wouldn't even say "marginally" larger. I'd
say at least a third larger.

> has susbstantially greater output,
>similar feature set and extension and costs much less than either model.

And yet, he specified that the "extension" of the Sunfire was what he
was looking for.

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On 02 Aug 2003 22:21:33 GMT, (Nousaine) wrote:
>
>> "Arny Krueger" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's no way that the VTF-2 "outperforms" the Sunfire in 33% of
>>>> what's important to the poster.
>>>
>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> Then brush up on your reading comprehension skills Weil, and note
>>> that the question was not about the Sunfire, but rather the
>>> question was about the Sunfire Junior.
>>
>> Even so the VTF-2 is marginally larger,
>
> And this seems to be among the most important of the criteria
> mentioned by the poster. I wouldn't even say "marginally" larger. I'd
> say at least a third larger.
>
>> has susbstantially greater output,
>> similar feature set and extension and costs much less than either
>> model.
>
> And yet, he specified that the "extension" of the Sunfire was what he
> was looking for.

So Weil, you are saying that a subwoofer should be rejected because it has
more bass extension?

[Arny Krueger]

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:15:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>> There's no way that the VTF-2 "outperforms" the Sunfire in 33% of
>>> what's important to the poster.

>> Prove it.

> Is or is not one of the most important items mentioned the size of the
> unit?

It's very unlikely that two subwoofers would be identical. Most people don't
care about size unless its grossly different, or the larger speaker is
difficult or impossible to use because of its size.

> Does the VTF-2 outperform the Sunfire in that important category?

If the VTF-2 were 0.001" larger than the Sunfire Junior, then it would in
fact outperform the VTF-2 in terms of size. How meaningful would that be?

The size of the Sunfire Junior is Dimensions: 9" by 9" by 9" .

The size of the VTF-2 is 16"(height) x 16"(width) x 19.5"(depth)

One would have to have very tight space constraints for this to be a serious
consideration.


>> Then brush up on your reading comprehension skills Weil, and note
>> that the question was not about the Sunfire, but rather the question
>> was about the Sunfire Junior.

> Sunfire being shorthand for the Sunfire Junior - referring obviously
> to the indicated subwoofer.

Sunfire being a name that relates equally well to five different products.
It's just as valid here as "Hsu" a name that relates equally well to at
least 9 different products.

> Nice try though.

[dave weil]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 05:03:21 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On 02 Aug 2003 22:21:33 GMT, (Nousaine) wrote:
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no way that the VTF-2 "outperforms" the Sunfire in 33% of
>>>>> what's important to the poster.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>>
>>>> Then brush up on your reading comprehension skills Weil, and note
>>>> that the question was not about the Sunfire, but rather the
>>>> question was about the Sunfire Junior.
>>>
>>> Even so the VTF-2 is marginally larger,
>>
>> And this seems to be among the most important of the criteria
>> mentioned by the poster. I wouldn't even say "marginally" larger. I'd
>> say at least a third larger.
>>
>>> has susbstantially greater output,
>>> similar feature set and extension and costs much less than either
>>> model.
>>
>> And yet, he specified that the "extension" of the Sunfire was what he
>> was looking for.
>
>So Weil, you are saying that a subwoofer should be rejected because it has
>more bass extension?

I'm saying that it might be irrelevant.

I'm mainly saying that it's quite easy to see a subwoofer being
rejected for being physically too large.

[dave weil]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 05:10:13 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:15:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's no way that the VTF-2 "outperforms" the Sunfire in 33% of
>>>> what's important to the poster.
>
>>> Prove it.
>
>> Is or is not one of the most important items mentioned the size of the
>> unit?
>
>It's very unlikely that two subwoofers would be identical. Most people don't
>care about size unless its grossly different, or the larger speaker is
>difficult or impossible to use because of its size.

NOW you've gone int o the area of not caring what someone wants.

Here are the clues that show that this is CLEARLY not the case:

"How to choose a subwoofer for a _small_ room"?

"I want to buy the Sunfire Junior cos it's small that I need"

> IOW do want something that is at least as small, goes as least as deep,
>and costs no more, preferably less?

Yes.

Note that you said, "at least as small". The HSU is CLEARLY not at
least as small.

>> Does the VTF-2 outperform the Sunfire in that important category?
>
>If the VTF-2 were 0.001" larger than the Sunfire Junior, then it would in
>fact outperform the VTF-2 in terms of size. How meaningful would that be?

But it would *barely* be larger.

>The size of the Sunfire Junior is Dimensions: 9" by 9" by 9" .
>
>The size of the VTF-2 is 16"(height) x 16"(width) x 19.5"(depth)
>
>One would have to have very tight space constraints for this to be a serious
>consideration.

That's your idea and you can't reasonably make this statement, because
YOU DON"T KNOW whether something that is over a third larger would be
an issue. This person wants it for their bedroom. They apparently want
it to be inobtrusive. If they live in Hong Kong, one of the most
crowded cities in the world, it's likely that every square inch is at
a premium.

>>> Then brush up on your reading comprehension skills Weil, and note
>>> that the question was not about the Sunfire, but rather the question
>>> was about the Sunfire Junior.
>
>> Sunfire being shorthand for the Sunfire Junior - referring obviously
>> to the indicated subwoofer.
>
>Sunfire being a name that relates equally well to five different products.
>It's just as valid here as "Hsu" a name that relates equally well to at
>least 9 different products.

But we were only talking about one product, not any of the others. If
you want to nitpick, feel free to.

Besides, *any* of the Carver subwoofers are substantially smaller than
the HUSs, so it's irrevelant anyway.

>> Nice try though.

Keep flailing. You are now one of "those guys" that I said you weren't
in my previous post. And it's only because it's me that you're taking
issue with.