Re: Krooger's "good behavior" on other groups.......

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message


<note slight correction of obvious errors>

> Arny Krueger, AKA nemesis of Middius, has apparently been claiming
> he's a perfect little angel on groups other than RAO.

Straw man argument. I never said any such thing.

If I were sadistic, I'd reproduce the fire storms that invariably resulted
when Middius showed his miserable persona on the same audio groups where
he's sifted through thousands of my posts, to come up with these few
exceptions.

Nothing's perfect, folks. But, Middius is far more imperfect than most.

[Lionel Chapuis]

> If I were sadistic, I'd reproduce the fire storms that invariably resulted
> when Middius showed his miserable persona on the same audio groups where
> he's sifted through thousands of my posts, to come up with these few
> exceptions.
>
Arny my dear sweet little guinea-pig,
You are not a saddist, it's not true they are liar. But don't be so nervous
it is not good for your cholesterol.

[George M. Middius]

Lionel Chapuis said to **** of ****s:

> > If I were sadistic, I'd reproduce the fire storms that invariably resulted
> > when Middius showed his miserable persona on the same audio groups where
> > he's sifted through thousands of my posts, to come up with these few
> > exceptions.

> Arny my dear sweet little guinea-pig,
> You are not a saddist, it's not true they are liar. But don't be so nervous
> it is not good for your cholesterol.

Please tell Turdy that because of my skill in using complex software
like Google's search engine, I not only read zero (0) of the Beast's
own posts, but I only had to "sift through" a few dozen posts from
regular people that illustrate his ****fulness.

Google doesn't lie to me. Does that mean I'm exerting my mind
control over it? ;-)

[JMG]

Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to this
newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always notice is
that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.

- John
--
"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a
French one behind me."
General George S. Patton.


"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Arny Krooger, aka the **** of ****s, has apparently been claiming he's a
> perfect little angel on groups other than RAO. In those Elysian fields of
> Perfected Audio Harmoniousness, Krooger tells us, there is no mind control
> by Middius, no conspiracies launched by Atkinson and his armies of paid
> sockpuppets, and nothing but love and goodwill borne by all toward
Krooger.
>
> Frankly, I had trouble believing this, and I'm sure others did too. I took
> a quick trip to the Google archive and looked back three months in time to
> see how loved and respected Arnii "Great Audio Authority" Krooger is on
> other groups. Herewith a sampling of various posters' reaction to Mr.
> ****'s accustomed behavior.
>
> (Note: During my perusals, I found many, many instances of Turdborg
> carrying on in his usual snotty way, being his attention-whore self in
> other words, with no resultant backlash on the other groups. Furthermore,
> I've only quoted the expressions of outright hostility toward
> ****-for-Brains, omitting various posters' restrained, but useless,
> attempts to reason with the Beast before resorting to well-deserved blunt
> insults.)
>
>
> [begin quotations]
>
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>
> It's good to see you haven't changed a bit, Arny. Lies pour forth
> from your keyboard today just as they always have. Like the one
> above.
>
> I've just searched the Canopus archives for the words bankrupt and
> Barr. The closest thing to turn up in the search results was a
> message from you, putting words in other people's mouths just as you
> are trying to do now. What a pathetic little worm you are.
>
> Arny Krueger, you were lying then.
>
> Arny Krueger, you are lying now.
>
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> Maybe one day Arny you will get something right.
>
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>
> Once again you give 'facts' based on little or no evidence. How old am I
> Arny? When was my childhood Arny?
>
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>
> You keep on hiding the truth from yourself Arny and you will find that
your
> Usenet reputation as a net kook will increase daily.
>
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>
> Rich coming from the man who can't tell the difference between IE and OE.
> Bigot ridden attitude.
> Detested by every man, woman and child on Usenet.
> Now that is an example of both hypocrisy and bigotry. Way to go Arny.
>
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>
> Pinkerton/Krueger has effectively destryed this newsgroup, which used to
be
> quite pleasant, to the point where half of it is SO exasperated they split
> the newsgroup into two just to escape from Pinkerton/Krueger's relentless
> trolling. They infest every post, annoy everybody, and polarise people who
> would otherwise enjoy interesting conversations. Like vermin and house
> pests they contribute vistually nothing of any help to anyone and do far,
> far more damage than they should be allowed to. No wonder people are
> deserting this newsgroup - you can't have a sane conversation about vinyl
> (I'm personally happy with CDs but I still use vinyl) or valves without it
> turning into a pathetic shouting match that would be considered immature
in
> a pampered three year old.
>
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>
> Perhaps the thread is too long for your limited attention span ...
>
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>
> Proving once again, your brains are in your arse.
> Again, you show you have absolutely zero knowledge and ability in this
> subject. Essentially, everything you say is false. Admit it, you don't
have
> a B.S. Degree do you, your just a tech, fresh out of junior college.
> Here goes again, your just a tech, and simply waffling in ****.
> Bloody cheek, sonny boy. Ordinarily *you* account for nothing. We, real
> engineers, who actually know something, account for system errors by
having
> a decent understanding of the subject matter.
> You are classic example of the incompetent not recognising their own
> incompetence, due to that incompetence.
> You are simple amazing. This is simply incredible. I'm arguing with in
> idiot. Someone save me...
>
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> You need to grow a brain Kimosabi before you attempt this post next time.
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>
> [You're] a real troll working three shifts straight just trying to keep up
> with this thread and never getting any sleep because [you're] actually
> serious about doing everything [you] can to better understand the
> underlying mystical theories which enable [your] real-life practice to
> succeed so well.
>
> **** off, you flamer.
>
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>
> The facts (evidenced by your behaviour here and in other groups ) reveal
> you as an attention seeker. A spammer, a troll and argument-stirrer of the
> first order. One whose sanity, honesty and integrity has been questioned
> time after time. Someone whose voluminous trail through the Usenet groups
> is littered with example after example of respected experts discarding
your
> theories and notions. More than that, someone who makes up and changes the
> rules of engagement as he goes along.
>
> You are very fond of throwing out challenges to people to "prove" their
> points and very adroit at ignoring such challenges when put to you or
> changing the subject to avoid answering questions.
>
> Until [you get yourself published in peer-reviewed journals], I shall
> continue to view you as a pompous, bad-mouthed, ignorant and attention
> seeking prat.
>
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> [end quotations]
>
>
> Further back in time, there have been many more, and many blunter. In the
> face of this evidence, the only conclusion that can be sustained is that
> the filthy Krooger's latest klaim of being beloved outside of RAO is
> nothing but another big fat lie.
>
>
>

[Arny Krueger]

"JMG" > wrote in message
et

> Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to
> this newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always
> notice is that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.

It's easy to predict that this will be true until either of us goes away.

If I go away, Middius just moves on to his next victim.

It's not about me, it's about Middius and his clique on a power trip.
Remember junior high/middle school? Same mentality, same level of maturity.

[Lionel Chapuis]

JMG écrit :

> Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to this
> newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always notice is
> that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.
>
> - John

Sir,

Please consider this NG as a prime time entertainement where my old Arny is
the heroe, a kind of Dallas with our Arny alias J.R.
Don't try to find here any audio advises.
In the past a guy call Mr. Middius



"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a
French one behind me."
General George S. Patton.

[Lionel Chapuis]

....Sorry my mouse is little bit nervous ! I start again.

Sir,

Please consider this NG as a prime time entertainement in which our old Arny
is the heroe, a kind of Dallas with our Arny in J.R.'s role !

Don't try to find here any audio discussion or advises.

Long time ago a guy call Mr. Middius said "something" to Arny which cause
him a sudden schizophrenia crisis. As he already had a strong paranoid
symptom the result is very interesting.
He acts here as an artful predator, a kind of tea time for a snake in a
birdland...

"If I go away, Middius just moves on to his next victim."
You can acknowledge with us that he perfectly summerize in this sentence the
basic symptoms of these mental affections : he has a kind of divine mission
to accomplish here.

If you already meet Arny in other NG or at church on Sunday morning you
cannot imagine that it's the same guy who use to post here.

What about me ? I try to help him in a long time therapy and work my english
in a recreative way.

Lionel

PS :
I have alway thought that old George has a tank-perception of the human
being, I was wrong !!!
This is exactly what Frenchies love American think about them.
No offense !

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a
French one behind me."
General George S. Patton.

[Arny Krueger]

"Lionel Chapuis" > wrote in message


> He acts here as an artful predator, a kind of tea time for a snake in
> a birdland...

Just showing tough love for a few aggressive, immature dumb guys, and help
for normal people who are sincere about audio but have questions.

> "If I go away, Middius just moves on to his next victim."

> You can acknowledge with us that he perfectly summerize in this
> sentence the basic symptoms of these mental affections : he has a
> kind of divine mission to accomplish here.

Not at all. My point is that Middius and his clique are habitual predators.
They're not going to change and I'm not going to keep them from attacking
who they will.

> If you already meet Arny in other NG or at church on Sunday morning
> you cannot imagine that it's the same guy who use to post here.

When one is dealing with aggressive dumb guys who are habitual predators,
the gloves come off.

[Lionel Chapuis]

> When one is dealing with aggressive dumb guys who are habitual predators,
> the gloves come off.
>

Who said white knight ?

[Daniel]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >...
> "JMG" > wrote in message
> et
>
> > Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to
> > this newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always
> > notice is that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.
>
> It's easy to predict that this will be true until either of us goes away.
>
> If I go away, Middius just moves on to his next victim.
>
> It's not about me, it's about Middius and his clique on a power trip.
> Remember junior high/middle school? Same mentality, same level of maturity.

And you're right there in junior high with them. I challenged you to
stop for a week, and you couldn't. You just couldn't stop. I don't
think Middius is any more to blame than you, Arny. You thrive on
this...whatever you call it that you do here.

[Arny Krueger]

"Daniel" > wrote in message
om
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >...
>> "JMG" > wrote in message
>> et
>>
>>> Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to
>>> this newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always
>>> notice is that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.
>>
>> It's easy to predict that this will be true until either of us goes
>> away.
>>
>> If I go away, Middius just moves on to his next victim.
>>
>> It's not about me, it's about Middius and his clique on a power trip.
>> Remember junior high/middle school? Same mentality, same level of
>> maturity.
>
> And you're right there in junior high with them. I challenged you to
> stop for a week, and you couldn't.

Wrong Daniel, I didn't. Why? No known benefit for doing so other than
jumping through a hoop for you. Who the heck do you think you are that I
should jump through hoops for you?

>You just couldn't stop.

Give me a good reason to stop other than winding up your ego, Daniel. Just
one that stands scrutiny.

> I don't think Middius is any more to blame than you, Arny.

Your true colors show Daniel. I've been expecting this. What took you so
long?

>You thrive on this...whatever you call it that you do here.

I'd prefer to thrive on audio, but I'm pretty omnivorous. If you've really
studied the archives you know that I came in here doing audio posts and I've
done more audio posts than anybody else over the past 6 years, possibly
anybody in the history of the newsgroup.

Now, let's talk about George Middius the guy who like to post primarily
about audio. There is no such thing!

As things stand Daniel, you're just one more guy who likes to do the
personal attack thing like Middius and the rest of his clique, one who has
already demonstrated that you could give a crap less about audio.

Daniel, you can stand in line right over there behind Middius, 'cause that's
where you belong.

:-(

[dave weil]

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:01:00 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"Daniel" > wrote in message
om
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> >...
>>> "JMG" > wrote in message
>>> et
>>>
>>>> Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to
>>>> this newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always
>>>> notice is that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.
>>>
>>> It's easy to predict that this will be true until either of us goes
>>> away.
>>>
>>> If I go away, Middius just moves on to his next victim.
>>>
>>> It's not about me, it's about Middius and his clique on a power trip.
>>> Remember junior high/middle school? Same mentality, same level of
>>> maturity.
>>
>> And you're right there in junior high with them. I challenged you to
>> stop for a week, and you couldn't.
>
>Wrong Daniel, I didn't. Why? No known benefit for doing so other than
>jumping through a hoop for you.

Of course there would have been a known benefit. It would have made
the atmosphere less contentious around here.

>Who the heck do you think you are that I should jump through hoops for you?

Exactly what I was thinking when you wanted me to quote things from a
conversation that just happened a day or two ago here on RAO. The fact
that you wanted me to waste my time cutting and pasting from a
conversation that *you* weren't willing to waste the time producing
showed that you think *you* can make people jump through hoops while
the rest of us can just go to hell.

>>You just couldn't stop.
>
>Give me a good reason to stop other than winding up your ego, Daniel. Just
>one that stands scrutiny.

I just did.

>> I don't think Middius is any more to blame than you, Arny.
>
>Your true colors show Daniel. I've been expecting this. What took you so
>long?

It's just the "true colors" of most of the posters on RAO, if the past
history of the group can be believed.

>>You thrive on this...whatever you call it that you do here.
>
>I'd prefer to thrive on audio, but I'm pretty omnivorous. If you've really
>studied the archives you know that I came in here doing audio posts and I've
>done more audio posts than anybody else over the past 6 years, possibly
>anybody in the history of the newsgroup.

You've also done more snot-filled posts than anyone else as well.

>Now, let's talk about George Middius the guy who like to post primarily
>about audio. There is no such thing!
>
>As things stand Daniel, you're just one more guy who likes to do the
>personal attack thing like Middius and the rest of his clique, one who has
>already demonstrated that you could give a crap less about audio.

This is the way it always is - someone makes a rational observation
and, because you can't handle it, it becomes a personal attack. Well,
you should know about personal attacks since you throw so many of them
out there, right Mr. Krueger?

>Daniel, you can stand in line right over there behind Middius, 'cause that's
>where you belong.
>
>:-(
>

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> >You thrive on this...whatever you call it that
> >you do here.
>
> If you've really studied the archives you know that
> I came in here doing audio posts
>
False statement.


> and I've done more audio posts than anybody else
> over the past 6 years, possibly anybody in the
> history of the newsgroup.
>
Hehehe, HAHAHA... wrong, wrong, wrong!
Your S/N ratio is possibly the lowest in USEnet
history. I’d guess it's 20:1... bickering posts to
audio content, mr. Narcissist.

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" wrote
>
>>> You thrive on this...whatever you call it that
>>> you do here.
>>
>> If you've really studied the archives you know that
>> I came in here doing audio posts

> False statement.

Really? Why not do an analysis of my first months posting to RAO to prove
your point?

>> and I've done more audio posts than anybody else
>> over the past 6 years, possibly anybody in the
>> history of the newsgroup.

> Hehehe, HAHAHA... wrong, wrong, wrong!

Really? Why not do an analysis of my first month's postings to RAO to prove
your point?

> Your S/N ratio is possibly the lowest in USEnet history.

It's better than yours, Powell. Do an analysis of 2003 and prove me wrong!

> I'd guess it's 20:1... bickering posts to audio content, Mr.. Narcissist.

I'm sure you'd guess many things that favor your viewpoint Powell, but
there's something to say for having a factual basis for one's assertions.

[Powell]

"Arny Krueger" wrote

> >>> You thrive on this...whatever you call it that
> >>> you do here.
> >>
> >> If you've really studied the archives you know that
> >> I came in here doing audio posts
>
> > False statement.
>
> Really? Why not do an analysis of my first months
> posting to RAO to prove your point?
>
No need, I’ve been here (r.a.o.) as long or longer
than you have.


> >> and I've done more audio posts than anybody else
> >> over the past 6 years, possibly anybody in the
> >> history of the newsgroup.
>
> > Hehehe, HAHAHA... wrong, wrong, wrong!
>
> Really? Why not do an analysis of my first month's
> postings to RAO to prove your point?
>
see above.


> > Your S/N ratio is possibly the lowest in USEnet history.
>
> It's better than yours, Powell. Do an analysis of
> 2003 and prove me wrong!
>
Quack, quack, quack...


> > I'd guess it's 20:1... bickering posts to audio
> > content, Mr.. Narcissist.
>
> I'm sure you'd guess many things that favor your
> viewpoint Powell, but there's something to say for
> having a factual basis for one's assertions.
>
Hypocrite, remove the timber from your own
eye first.

[Arny Krueger]

"Powell" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" wrote
>
>>>>> You thrive on this...whatever you call it that
>>>>> you do here.
>>>>
>>>> If you've really studied the archives you know that
>>>> I came in here doing audio posts
>>
>>> False statement.
>>
>> Really? Why not do an analysis of my first months
>> posting to RAO to prove your point?
>>
> No need, I've been here (r.a.o.) as long or longer
> than you have.

IOW, this is all just the usual Powell OSAF crap.


>> >> and I've done more audio posts than anybody else
>>>> over the past 6 years, possibly anybody in the
>>>> history of the newsgroup.
>>
>>> Hehehe, HAHAHA... wrong, wrong, wrong!

>> Really? Why not do an analysis of my first month's
>> postings to RAO to prove your point?
>>
> see above.

IOW, this is all just the usual Powell OSAF crap.


>>> Your S/N ratio is possibly the lowest in USEnet history.
>>
>> It's better than yours, Powell. Do an analysis of
>> 2003 and prove me wrong!
>>
> Quack, quack, quack...

IOW, this is all just the usual Powell OSAF crap.


>>> I'd guess it's 20:1... bickering posts to audio
>>> content, Mr.. Narcissist.
>>
>> I'm sure you'd guess many things that favor your
>> viewpoint Powell, but there's something to say for
>> having a factual basis for one's assertions.

> Hypocrite, remove the timber from your own eye first.

If irony killed we'd all be dead.

[dave weil]

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:59:46 -0400, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

>"Powell" > wrote in message

>> "Arny Krueger" wrote
>>
>>>> You thrive on this...whatever you call it that
>>>> you do here.
>>>
>>> If you've really studied the archives you know that
>>> I came in here doing audio posts
>
>> False statement.

"If you take two cars, say a Yugo and a Ferrari. If you place you into
each passenger seat (*), blind fold you, put on headphones so you can
not hear, then drive down a super smooth road, at a constant 10mph in
a straight line.. Would you be able to detect any differences between
the two? Most likely not. Does this tell you any information on the
performance of either vehicle? Nope.. Just that under X, Y, and Z,
they will be very similar, or almost indistinguishable.. But, in
actual use, X, Y and Z are no alwasy the case. Big Deal.

Actually, there are people who do stuff like this for a living - its
called competitive car analysis, and its a big business in my home
town, Detroit. I even worked in a department of Chrysler that did
stuff like this. The answer is that its probable that most folks could
tell the difference between sitting in a Yugo and a Ferarri, even if
blindfolded in a stopped car. You may not even have to start the
engine!

Contrast that with the dismal situation in High End Audio".
---------------------------

This is one of your very first posts. You came in trashing "High End
audio" from the very beginning.

Here's another one where you talk about charlatans and
"empty-headedness" and FRAUD, from the day before the previous post:

<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:rec.audio.opinion+author:arnyk%40po p3.concentric.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1996&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1996&selm=01bbf348%245155e840%245476adce%40crc3.concent ric.net&rnum=2>
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<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:rec.audio.opinion+author:arnyk%40po p3.concentric.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1996&as_maxd=31&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=1996&selm=01bbf33c%246834d1e0%245476adce%40crc3.concent ric.net&rnum=3>
Ray Knuth > wrote in article
>...
> If you can spend the $2K for speakerwire, $3K for an interconnect and
> $10K+ for an SE amp why don't you drag your little system down to some
> reputable institute and have it tested with your cables and some
> "inferior" ones. You can set the system up and tweek it all you want
> before the test. Put as many little piles of stones around the room as
> needed.

Be sure that you specify that the piles of stones be kept small and
tightly packed. If the piles are loose, they may rattle. If the piles
sufficiently large, they may actually affect room acoustics more than
any number of other kinds of hyper-expensive tweaks that people seem
to affect, and you seem to be describing! ;-)

Yep, these are three of your very first posts...

The combative tone of your posts was present even then.

>Really? Why not do an analysis of my first months posting to RAO to prove
>your point?

Who do you think you are? <chuckle>

>
> >> and I've done more audio posts than anybody else
>>> over the past 6 years, possibly anybody in the
>>> history of the newsgroup.
>
>> Hehehe, HAHAHA... wrong, wrong, wrong!
>
>Really? Why not do an analysis of my first month's postings to RAO to prove
>your point?

Really now. Why not do an analysis of the past 6 years of the
newsgroup to support YOUR point? You're the one who made the initial
claim!

[Jacob Kramer]

Lionel Chapuis > wrote in message >...
> JMG écrit :
>
> > Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to this
> > newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always notice is
> > that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.
> >
> > - John

There may be a reason for that:

From: Arny Krüger )
Subject: Atkinson's slanders
Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
Date: 1998/12/29

I think that getting high end people tuned into ABX and the significance of
the outcomes of controlled listening tests by any valid means is coming along
just fine. Remember, we've got an estimate of 29,000 posts on the topic on all
NG forums. The old saw is "call me what you want, but please mention my name!"
20+ years ago a small number of editors who controlled print media were able
to supress ABX if they wanted to. Now, with the web, the genie is out of the
bottle!

[Lionel Chapuis]

> There may be a reason for that:
>
> From: Arny Krüger )
> Subject: Atkinson's slanders
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
> Date: 1998/12/29
>
> I think that getting high end people tuned into ABX and the significance of
> the outcomes of controlled listening tests by any valid means is coming along
> just fine. Remember, we've got an estimate of 29,000 posts on the topic on all
> NG forums. The old saw is "call me what you want, but please mention my name!"
> 20+ years ago a small number of editors who controlled print media were able
> to supress ABX if they wanted to. Now, with the web, the genie is out of the
> bottle!
>
>

Very good job sir !
Lionel

[Arny Krueger]

"Jacob Kramer" > wrote in message
om...
> Lionel Chapuis > wrote in message
>...
> > JMG écrit :
> >
> > > Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to
this
> > > newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always notice
is
> > > that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.
> > >
> > > - John
>
> There may be a reason for that:

> From: Arny Krüger )
> Subject: Atkinson's slanders
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
> Date: 1998/12/29

> I think that getting high end people tuned into ABX and the significance
of
> the outcomes of controlled listening tests by any valid means is coming
along
> just fine. Remember, we've got an estimate of 29,000 posts on the topic on
all
> NG forums. The old saw is "call me what you want, but please mention my
name!"
> 20+ years ago a small number of editors who controlled print media were
able
> to supress ABX if they wanted to. Now, with the web, the genie is out of
the
> bottle!
>
>

That would explain technical criticism, not the personal criticism.

BTW I've recently noticed an uptick in Usenet mentions of www.pcabx.com, my
round two approach to breaking the paper ragazine ABX logjam.

[Daniel]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >...
> "Daniel" > wrote in message
> om
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >> "JMG" > wrote in message
> >> et
> >>
> >>> Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to
> >>> this newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always
> >>> notice is that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.
> >>
> >> It's easy to predict that this will be true until either of us goes
> >> away.
> >>
> >> If I go away, Middius just moves on to his next victim.
> >>
> >> It's not about me, it's about Middius and his clique on a power trip.
> >> Remember junior high/middle school? Same mentality, same level of
> >> maturity.
> >
> > And you're right there in junior high with them. I challenged you to
> > stop for a week, and you couldn't.
>
> Wrong Daniel, I didn't. Why? No known benefit for doing so other than
> jumping through a hoop for you. Who the heck do you think you are that I
> should jump through hoops for you?
>
> >You just couldn't stop.
>
> Give me a good reason to stop other than winding up your ego, Daniel. Just
> one that stands scrutiny.

You had said you wanted to talk about audio. I challenged you, since
that's what *you said you wanted*, to do just that and not bother with
personal attacks. It wasn't about my ego, or your jumping through
hoops. It was in the interest of talking about audio that I made my
challenge. That was what you said you wanted. Obviously, I inferred
incorrectly that said "talking" might mean civilized discourse on your
part.


> I don't think Middius is any more to blame than you, Arny.
>
> Your true colors show Daniel. I've been expecting this. What took you so
> long?
>
> >You thrive on this...whatever you call it that you do here.
>
> I'd prefer to thrive on audio, but I'm pretty omnivorous. If you've really
> studied the archives you know that I came in here doing audio posts and I've
> done more audio posts than anybody else over the past 6 years, possibly
> anybody in the history of the newsgroup.
>

I'm not concerned with the last six years. Just, let's say, the last
six days.

> Now, let's talk about George Middius the guy who like to post primarily
> about audio. There is no such thing!

I made no claim that he does like to post about audio, just that *you*
are as in love with the personal attack as he. Your response to me
here proves that.

>
> As things stand Daniel, you're just one more guy who likes to do the
> personal attack thing like Middius and the rest of his clique, one who has
> already demonstrated that you could give a crap less about audio.

I didn't attack anyone. And I am not in anyone's clique.

>
> Daniel, you can stand in line right over there behind Middius, 'cause that's
> where you belong.
>
> :-(

What do you call that? OSAF?

In any case, good day, sir.

[Arny Krueger]

"Daniel" > wrote in message
om...

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>...

> > "Daniel" > wrote in message
> > om

> > > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > > >...

> > >> "JMG" > wrote in message
> > >> et
> > >>
> > >>> Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to
> > >>> this newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always
> > >>> notice is that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.
> > >>
> > >> It's easy to predict that this will be true until either of us goes
> > >> away.
> > >>
> > >> If I go away, Middius just moves on to his next victim.
> > >>
> > >> It's not about me, it's about Middius and his clique on a power trip.
> > >> Remember junior high/middle school? Same mentality, same level of
> > >> maturity.
> > >
> > > And you're right there in junior high with them. I challenged you to
> > > stop for a week, and you couldn't.
> >
> > Wrong Daniel, I didn't. Why? No known benefit for doing so other than
> > jumping through a hoop for you. Who the heck do you think you are that I
> > should jump through hoops for you?
> >
> > >You just couldn't stop.
> >
> > Give me a good reason to stop other than winding up your ego, Daniel.
Just
> > one that stands scrutiny.
>
> You had said you wanted to talk about audio. I challenged you, since
> that's what *you said you wanted*, to do just that and not bother with
> personal attacks.

You haven't answered the question, Daniel.

> It wasn't about my ego, or your jumping through hoops.

Of course it is, Daniel.

>It was in the interest of talking about audio that I made my challenge.

What's stopping you and I from talking about audio?

>That was what you said you wanted.

What's stopping *anybody* from talking to me about audio?

What's stopping them from not attacking me personally?

>Obviously, I inferred
> incorrectly that said "talking" might mean civilized discourse on your
> part.

If you want to have civilized discourse with me, why not just do the right
thing yourself, Daniel?

> > I don't think Middius is any more to blame than you, Arny.
>
> > Your true colors show Daniel. I've been expecting this. What took you so
> > long?

Not answering that question, either.

> > >You thrive on this...whatever you call it that you do here.

> > I'd prefer to thrive on audio, but I'm pretty omnivorous. If you've
really
> > studied the archives you know that I came in here doing audio posts and
I've
> > done more audio posts than anybody else over the past 6 years, possibly
> > anybody in the history of the newsgroup.

> I'm not concerned with the last six years. Just, let's say, the last six
days.

Let's do that. Let's talk about your gratuitous attacks on me during the
past 6 days, Daniel.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=e65d9590.0307310424.5de5e7bb%40posting .goo
gle.com

Daniel addresses a number of accusations at me.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=e65d9590.0307280539.664e39d1%40posting .goo
gle.com

Daniel calls me a paranoid.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=e65d9590.0307270251.37ab7c7a%40posting .goo
gle.com

Daniel assists BJ Richman in attacking me.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=e65d9590.0307250931.6e71f4c4%40posting .goo
gle.com

Daniel takes Middius' side against me.

The good news is that you didn't attack me *every* day.

> > Now, let's talk about George Middius the guy who like to post primarily
> > about audio. There is no such thing!

> I made no claim that he does like to post about audio, just that *you*
> are as in love with the personal attack as he.

Doctor cure yourself.

>Your response to me here proves that.

Not at all. I simply don't want to let you trap me into being defenseless.
BTW Daniel, if you had a clean record I might even take you seriously.

>
> > As things stand Daniel, you're just one more guy who likes to do the
> > personal attack thing like Middius and the rest of his clique, one who
has
> > already demonstrated that you could give a crap less about audio.

> I didn't attack anyone. And I am not in anyone's clique.

The facts say otherwise. 4 essentially gratuitous attacks in 6 days, not
including the one I'm responding to.

> > Daniel, you can stand in line right over there behind Middius, 'cause
that's
> > where you belong.

> > :-(

> What do you call that? OSAF?

I call it looking at the facts about your malevolence, Daniel.

> In any case, good day, sir.

Just guessing Daniel, but I think you just might have one more attack post
in you for the day. That would make it 6 attack-Arny posts in 6 days. All
I've done to you is take exception to your gratuitous attacks and point our
your hypocrisy.

[Daniel]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >...
> "Daniel" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >...
>
> > > "Daniel" > wrote in message
> > > om
>
> > > > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > > > >...
>
> > > >> "JMG" > wrote in message
> > > >> et
> > > >>
> > > >>> Damning indictment. I must admit that I'm an infrequent visitor to
> > > >>> this newsgroup. Whenever I do visit, the one constant that I always
> > > >>> notice is that Arny seems to be a lightning rod of criticism.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's easy to predict that this will be true until either of us goes
> > > >> away.
> > > >>
> > > >> If I go away, Middius just moves on to his next victim.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's not about me, it's about Middius and his clique on a power trip.
> > > >> Remember junior high/middle school? Same mentality, same level of
> > > >> maturity.
> > > >
> > > > And you're right there in junior high with them. I challenged you to
> > > > stop for a week, and you couldn't.
> > >
> > > Wrong Daniel, I didn't. Why? No known benefit for doing so other than
> > > jumping through a hoop for you. Who the heck do you think you are that I
> > > should jump through hoops for you?
> > >
> > > >You just couldn't stop.
> > >
> > > Give me a good reason to stop other than winding up your ego, Daniel.
> Just
> > > one that stands scrutiny.
> >
> > You had said you wanted to talk about audio. I challenged you, since
> > that's what *you said you wanted*, to do just that and not bother with
> > personal attacks.
>
> You haven't answered the question, Daniel.
>
> > It wasn't about my ego, or your jumping through hoops.
>
> Of course it is, Daniel.
>
> >It was in the interest of talking about audio that I made my challenge.
>
> What's stopping you and I from talking about audio?
>
> >That was what you said you wanted.
>
> What's stopping *anybody* from talking to me about audio?
>
> What's stopping them from not attacking me personally?
>
> >Obviously, I inferred
> > incorrectly that said "talking" might mean civilized discourse on your
> > part.
>
> If you want to have civilized discourse with me, why not just do the right
> thing yourself, Daniel?
>
> > > I don't think Middius is any more to blame than you, Arny.
>
> > > Your true colors show Daniel. I've been expecting this. What took you so
> > > long?
>
> Not answering that question, either.
>
> > > >You thrive on this...whatever you call it that you do here.
>
> > > I'd prefer to thrive on audio, but I'm pretty omnivorous. If you've
> really
> > > studied the archives you know that I came in here doing audio posts and
> I've
> > > done more audio posts than anybody else over the past 6 years, possibly
> > > anybody in the history of the newsgroup.
>
> > I'm not concerned with the last six years. Just, let's say, the last six
> days.
>
> Let's do that. Let's talk about your gratuitous attacks on me during the
> past 6 days, Daniel.
>
> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=e65d9590.0307310424.5de5e7bb%40posting .goo
> gle.com
>
> Daniel addresses a number of accusations at me.
>
> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=e65d9590.0307280539.664e39d1%40posting .goo
> gle.com
>
> Daniel calls me a paranoid.
>
> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=e65d9590.0307270251.37ab7c7a%40posting .goo
> gle.com
>
> Daniel assists BJ Richman in attacking me.
>
> http://www.google.com/groups?selm=e65d9590.0307250931.6e71f4c4%40posting .goo
> gle.com
>
> Daniel takes Middius' side against me.
>
> The good news is that you didn't attack me *every* day.
>
> > > Now, let's talk about George Middius the guy who like to post primarily
> > > about audio. There is no such thing!
>
> > I made no claim that he does like to post about audio, just that *you*
> > are as in love with the personal attack as he.
>
> Doctor cure yourself.
>
> >Your response to me here proves that.
>
> Not at all. I simply don't want to let you trap me into being defenseless.
> BTW Daniel, if you had a clean record I might even take you seriously.
>
> >
> > > As things stand Daniel, you're just one more guy who likes to do the
> > > personal attack thing like Middius and the rest of his clique, one who
> has
> > > already demonstrated that you could give a crap less about audio.
>
> > I didn't attack anyone. And I am not in anyone's clique.
>
> The facts say otherwise. 4 essentially gratuitous attacks in 6 days, not
> including the one I'm responding to.
>
> > > Daniel, you can stand in line right over there behind Middius, 'cause
> that's
> > > where you belong.
>
> > > :-(
>
> > What do you call that? OSAF?
>
> I call it looking at the facts about your malevolence, Daniel.
>
> > In any case, good day, sir.
>
> Just guessing Daniel, but I think you just might have one more attack post
> in you for the day. That would make it 6 attack-Arny posts in 6 days. All
> I've done to you is take exception to your gratuitous attacks and point our
> your hypocrisy.

I said, "Good day."