Hi everyone...

[Moi]

Has anything changed in the (6?) months I've been away from the group?

Didn't think so.

Cheers...

[Moi]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:21:27 +0100, Paul Dormer >
wrote in >:

>Moi > wrote:
>
>>>Has anything changed in the (6?) months I've been away from the group?
>>>
>>>Didn't think so.
>>>
>>>Cheers...
>>
>>P.S. -- stupid, repetitive, circular mother****ers.
>
>No need to be rude, Tim.

Just being honest -- it's the same ol' game around here. Just thought
I'd drop in for a laugh or two, and I'm off...

Cheers.

---
"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by computers. I feel much better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."

[Bruce J. Richman]

Moi wrote:


>On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:56:04 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote in
>:
>
>>
>>
>>Moi said:
>>
>>> Has anything changed in the (6?) months I've been away from the group?
>>
>>Krooger has gotten worse. He now imagines that his lawnmower and MS
>>Excel are lying to him.
>
>In the case of his lawnmower, I doubt he can hear well enough to tell
>if it's operating or not.

Not only that, but he thinks that all competently designed lawnmowers sound the
same.


As for Excel -- of course, Krueger would
>fancy himself smarter than a spreadsheet. His game is "accuracy" as
>it applies to the Kroog-land he lives in his private fantasy.
>

Just don't get caught expressing a preference, or the RAO Minister of
Inflamation will arrange for your turntable to be roasted in hell at the hands
of a PC specialist.






>---
>"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
>computers. I feel much better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Bruce J. Richman

[Moi]

On 30 Jul 2003 04:40:44 GMT, (Marc Phillips) wrote
in >:

>S888Wheel said:
>
>>>Has anything changed in the (6?) months I've been away from the group?
>>
>>Yes Howard left after being exposed as a fraud and a plagarist.
>
>It's about time someone mentioned this to Moi. I was squirming in my seat for
>the first seven posts wondering if someone was going to say something.
>
>Then again, Howard is easy to forget.

True... still, I'm curious (even though something like this really
comes as no surprise). Anyone want to go into the gory details in a
short paragraph or two?

---
"It occurred to me that audio engineers will someday be replaced by
computers. I feel better now -- at least you can turn a computer off."

[George M. Middius]

Moi said:

> >Then again, Howard is easy to forget.
>
> True... still, I'm curious (even though something like this really
> comes as no surprise). Anyone want to go into the gory details in a
> short paragraph or two?

See for yourself:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S12823F65

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

> Moi said:
>
>>> Then again, Howard is easy to forget.
>>
>> True... still, I'm curious (even though something like this really
>> comes as no surprise). Anyone want to go into the gory details in a
>> short paragraph or two?
>
> See for yourself:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?S12823F65

Obviously, running off Howard was the high point of George's life.

Joke:

George Middius is struck by a bus (pretty remarkable because George lives on
welfare and never leaves home) and is sent to Hell. The Devil (the REAL
Devil, not Graham) asks George what he's done with his life so he can figure
out what George's eternal punishment should be. George responds that he
spent the last six years of his life working every waking hour to run a
retired librarian named Howard off of a Usenet newsgroup called
rec.audio.opinion. The Devil laughs so hard and so long and so
uncontrollably that he presses the wrong button and sends George to Heaven.

Too true to be funny, eh?

Sorry about that.

Have a nice day!

;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Jacob Kramer" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:40:36 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
> >"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
>
> >> Moi said:
> >>
> >>>> Then again, Howard is easy to forget.
> >>>
> >>> True... still, I'm curious (even though something like this really
> >>> comes as no surprise). Anyone want to go into the gory details in a
> >>> short paragraph or two?
> >>
> >> See for yourself:
> >>
> >> http://makeashorterlink.com/?S12823F65
> >
> >Obviously, running off Howard was the high point of George's life.

> Wasn't it Dave Weil who noticed the plagiarism?

I think so, but he's not bragging about it nearly as hard as Middius.

[Arny Krueger]

"Paul Dormer" > wrote in message
...

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> >Joke:

> >George Middius is struck by a bus <snip>

> In your dreams.

Not really. In my dreams Middius would grow a brain.

> Literally.

Not even figuratively.

In my dreams Dormer, you'd be cured of bipolar personality disorder.

[George M. Middius]

Paul Dormer said:

> >Then again, Howard is easy to forget.
>
> You can say that again. Howards posts were so monotonous and trite, I
> can recall practically nothing he said - despite reading perhaps a
> couple of hundred of his dreary monologues.

You remember "Buy my book", right?

[Marc Phillips]

Paul Dormer said:



(Marc Phillips) wrote:
>
>>Then again, Howard is easy to forget.
>
>You can say that again. Howards posts were so monotonous and trite, I
>can recall practically nothing he said - despite reading perhaps a
>couple of hundred of his dreary monologues.

Same goes for his equipment reviews. There are only so many subwoofer models
in the world, you know.

Boon

[Howard Ferstler]

dave weil > wrote in message >...
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:59:51 -0400, Jacob Kramer
> > wrote:

> >Wasn't it Dave Weill who noticed the plagiarism?

> I'll certainly take credt for pointing it out on RAO.

This "take credit" triumph of Dave's means essentially nothing. The
book will be published and I hope that Dave will buy a copy, re-read
the article in mention, and then do some kind of formal complaint to
the publisher, while also notifying the audio company about the
plagiarism. The result should be interesting, assuming that Weil has
the cajones to actually make the protest.

For the record, I left RAO (well, almost left, because I occasionally
scope for my name being mentioned, and when it feel it is necessary I
will interject a comment or two) for two reasons:

1. My wife and I are in the process of doing some major
home-improvement work. (Yeah, we recently came into some big money.)

This does not involve my 400 square foot main room or main system
(although I will probably replace my current ceiling-mounted projector
with an HDTV version), but it does involve enlarging the current 230
square foot middle system's room to 370 square feet. The A/V system in
there will be upgraded considerably (it will also get the main room's
ceiling-mounted projector), and the result will be a system that is
quite in contrast to the existing main system. The latter stresses
sound power and wide dispersion, whereas the expanded-room system will
emphasize a flat first-arrival signal. (I'll be doing a feature
article on both systems and their rooms in a future issue of The
Sensible Sound, by the way.) I wonder how many A/V enthusiasts have
two ceiling-mounted projection systems in two different rooms.

The remaining home upgrades involve remodeled bathrooms, new hardwood
flooring and tile replacing carpeting in all the non-A/V rooms in the
house (well, the currently carpeted living room, which will get oak
flooring, will be an exception, but the system in there is not
destined to be a major player, anyway), all new kitchen appliances, an
expanded patio, new landscaping, additional insulation, extensive
painting, new doors, new windows, and the conversion of my combination
computer room and photo darkroom into a large premium-grade storeage
room. (Most houses do not have enough storage room, but ours will now
have plenty, and it will allow me to comfortably store assorted
speakers, etc. that I review.) The computer (the one I am working with
right now) will be replaced and the new one will be installed in the
expanded A/V room, where I can use it as part of my audio work. Hey,
I'll now be able to do some work with Arny's PCABX system.

This project has also forced me to back off from my regular magazine
writing work (other than recording reviews), although I will be
getting back into that in the future, but on a smaller scale than in
the past. It also caused me to cancel writing a new book. Books eat up
a huge amount of time and the payoff is just not worth the work. I'd
have cancelled the enterprise (I had been approached by a publisher
about doing the book some months ago) even if the home-improvement
projects were complete. And, no, the book project was not cancelled
because of my RAO "reputation" as a plagiarizer. (Only "get a life"
nitwits like you guys are revved up about that issue.)

And, number two....

2. You people are psychologically challenged. Why debate obsessive
types who are not about to see their belief systems shattered?

Have a nice series of rants, guys.

Howard Ferstler

[dave weil]

On 1 Aug 2003 06:42:34 -0700, (Howard Ferstler)
wrote:

>dave weil > wrote in message >...
>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:59:51 -0400, Jacob Kramer
>> > wrote:
>
>> >Wasn't it Dave Weill who noticed the plagiarism?
>
>> I'll certainly take credt for pointing it out on RAO.
>
>This "take credit" triumph of Dave's means essentially nothing. The
>book will be published and I hope that Dave will buy a copy, re-read
>the article in mention, and then do some kind of formal complaint to
>the publisher, while also notifying the audio company about the
>plagiarism. The result should be interesting, assuming that Weil has
>the cajones to actually make the protest.

Hopefully the proper attributions will be made. It *is* the legal and
scholarly thing to do. Mr. Ferstler should know this, having toiled in
the library system of a major US university for years.

Shame about having lost a biographical entry though. This means that
you lose about $2 (figuring at the .03 a word that you might derive
from it).

>For the record, I left RAO (well, almost left, because I occasionally
>scope for my name being mentioned, and when it feel it is necessary I
>will interject a comment or two) for two reasons:

Well, I guess you changed your mind when you wrote your exit post a
while back. Just goes to show that you can't stay away...

>1. My wife and I are in the process of doing some major
>home-improvement work. (Yeah, we recently came into some big money.)

You barely mentioned this in your goodby post and it was in the
context of being able to actually do it because you were reducing your
writing output and were going to be able to do it, not that it was the
reason you were leaving. The post will be reproduced in its entirety
below, for all newbies to read.

>This does not involve my 400 square foot main room or main system
>(although I will probably replace my current ceiling-mounted projector
>with an HDTV version), but it does involve enlarging the current 230
>square foot middle system's room to 370 square feet. The A/V system in
>there will be upgraded considerably (it will also get the main room's
>ceiling-mounted projector), and the result will be a system that is
>quite in contrast to the existing main system. The latter stresses
>sound power and wide dispersion, whereas the expanded-room system will
>emphasize a flat first-arrival signal. (I'll be doing a feature
>article on both systems and their rooms in a future issue of The
>Sensible Sound, by the way.) I wonder how many A/V enthusiasts have
>two ceiling-mounted projection systems in two different rooms.

Amazing that someone like Howard would brag about spending big bucks
on AV equipment after chastising people for the same thing.

>The remaining home upgrades involve remodeled bathrooms, new hardwood
>flooring and tile replacing carpeting in all the non-A/V rooms in the
>house (well, the currently carpeted living room, which will get oak
>flooring, will be an exception, but the system in there is not
>destined to be a major player, anyway), all new kitchen appliances, an
>expanded patio, new landscaping, additional insulation, extensive
>painting, new doors, new windows, and the conversion of my combination
>computer room and photo darkroom into a large premium-grade storeage
>room. (Most houses do not have enough storage room, but ours will now
>have plenty, and it will allow me to comfortably store assorted
>speakers, etc. that I review.) The computer (the one I am working with
>right now) will be replaced and the new one will be installed in the
>expanded A/V room, where I can use it as part of my audio work. Hey,
>I'll now be able to do some work with Arny's PCABX system.

You forgot a new broom closet.

>This project has also forced me to back off from my regular magazine
>writing work (other than recording reviews), although I will be
>getting back into that in the future, but on a smaller scale than in
>the past. It also caused me to cancel writing a new book. Books eat up
>a huge amount of time and the payoff is just not worth the work. I'd
>have cancelled the enterprise (I had been approached by a publisher
>about doing the book some months ago) even if the home-improvement
>projects were complete. And, no, the book project was not cancelled
>because of my RAO "reputation" as a plagiarizer. (Only "get a life"
>nitwits like you guys are revved up about that issue.)

Nobody's "revved up" about it. We were just pointing out a fact, a
fact that even *you* couldn't spin because you know it was true. You
might as well have taken a book out of the library and copied it
freehand and inserted it into one of your books.

>And, number two....
>
>2. You people are psychologically challenged. Why debate obsessive
>types who are not about to see their belief systems shattered?
>
>Have a nice series of rants, guys.

See you next time, Howard. I hope that you are more careful with your
writing the next time.

Here is the alligator tears goodby post from Howard from a little
while back:

<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:rec.audio.opinion+author:ferstle%40 attglobal.net&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=6&as_miny=2003&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=7&as_maxy=2003&selm=3EE3ACE2.AFF25506%40attglobal.net&rnum=1>

Hello, Audio Freaks,

Since I left RAO rather abruptly a while back I decided it
would be a good idea to come back and say "so long" in a
more formalized manner. Because many of you dunderheads
appear to live in order to become involved in obsessive
backbiting sessions, doing this will give a few of you
something to do. You can chew on your keyboards as you post
rants about this note.

I left RAO for a number of reasons, not the least of which
was a desire to re-enter the real world and get away from
some of the most moronic, deluded, dishonest, and
small-scale corrupt individuals imaginable. This distasteful
contact with RAO's "small people," combined with a personal
state of mind that had me hoping that some of them would
actually roll over and die, was more than reason enough to
jump ship. Since leaving, I feel ten years younger.

Yep, this is my last Usenet message to the muddlehead-audio
crowd. You guys are just not worth the trouble. May you
continue to banter about trivialities and cultivate ulcers
as a result.

Incidentally, I contacted my book editor about certain
"plagiarism" charges being bantered about here, and he backs
me fully on everything I have done for my Encyclopedia of
Recorded Sound project. If any of you want to make trouble,
he is more than ready for you.

I mentioned to him that John Atkinson (a paradigm of
minor-league audio deviousness in my opinion) would be
contacting him to request a withdrawal of his biographical
sketch, and he indicated that he would honor that request
and that it would be Mr. Atkinson's loss and no big deal for
the book at all. Routledge (a branch of the Taylor & Francis
book-publishing group) is a big outfit, and they certainly
do not sweat the loss of Mr. Atkinson's biographical
profile. My editor is also very familiar with typical
tweako-audio states of mind, and so he was not concerned by
a situation that Mr. Atkinson is obviously trying to
capitalize upon.

Incidentally, while I have departed RAO and the audio Usenet
scene, I am not going to give up audio magazine writing
entirely, although I will certainly do a lot less than I
have in the past. This reduction in output includes giving
up on writing still another book, which would have eaten up
way too much of my free time. (I have already contacted the
publisher about this, and he understands.) Books are almost
not worth the trouble these days, since most audio book
purchasers are tweakos looking for a Bible to believe in.
What point is there in writing a brass-tacks oriented book
that they would never purchase?

And now back to musical listening (there is plenty of time
for that now) and drawing up my home-improvement and
home-expansion plans. I expect that this message will
generate many replies from the peanut-brained contingent on
RAO. However, do not expect me to swap insults with any of
you. I have given up debating claptrap with pieces of human
lint.

Howard Ferstler

[Margaret von Busenhalter]

"Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message
m...
>
> 1. My wife and I are in the process of doing some major
> home-improvement work. (Yeah, we recently came into some big money.)
>

Maybe in your own mind. Someone ran a financial background check on you
*very recently* ;-) and you're not worth a squat. But maybe for a loser
living in a shack like you, a few thousand bux is big money.

BTW, do you still like being an impotent limpdick, Howard?


Cheers,

Margaret

[Jacob Kramer]

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:01:07 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>
>Paul Dormer said:
>
>> >Then again, Howard is easy to forget.
>>
>> You can say that again. Howards posts were so monotonous and trite, I
>> can recall practically nothing he said - despite reading perhaps a
>> couple of hundred of his dreary monologues.
>
>You remember "Buy my book", right?

I actually remember one post where he stated very clearly that the
sound of two pristine digital channels might strike people as less
realistic than the sound produced by vinyl.

--

Jacob Kramer

[George M. Middius]

Jacob Kramer said:

> >You remember "Buy my book", right?
>
> I actually remember one post where he stated very clearly that the
> sound of two pristine digital channels might strike people as less
> realistic than the sound produced by vinyl.

Excellent troll! Let's see if it works.

[Jacob Kramer]

On 1 Aug 2003 06:42:34 -0700, (Howard Ferstler)
wrote:

>2. You people are psychologically challenged. Why debate obsessive
>types who are not about to see their belief systems shattered?

Good riddance. You are the most supercilious and boring person I have
ever encountered, and are dishonest besides. Please don't come back.

--

Jacob Kramer

[Arny Krueger]

"Jacob Kramer" > wrote in message

> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:33:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Paul Dormer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>>> Joke:
>>
>>>> George Middius is struck by a bus <snip>
>>
>>> In your dreams.

>> Not really. In my dreams Middius would grow a brain.

> You seemed pretty happy when Steve Zipser died.

Say what?

[Marc Phillips]

Mr. Middius said:

>Of course you, like your soulmate Kroo****, thrive on humiliation
>and degradation, so you had to reopen this sordid chapter of your
>"career".

That brings up an interesting point. I heard that someone asked Howard why he
would align himself with a pervert like Arny, and Howard's reply was that
fighting the EHEE was more important. Yes, more important than fighting child
pornography.

What is it with these stupid, sick ****s anyway?

Boon

[MiNE 109]

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,58790,00.html

[JBorg]

Howard Ferstler wrote:


For the record, I left RAO (well, almost left, because I occasionally
scope for my name being mentioned, and when it feel it is necessary I
will interject a comment or two) for two reasons:

1. I have strong needs to have my butt kicked thoroughly well specially
at RAO. No, I'm not talkin about my romantic sessions with Arnii,
its something more than that, something deep, very deep.


2. I enjoy pointing to others how stupid I became about audio. It seems
the older I get, the dumber I become.



Howard Ferstler

[MiNE 109]

In article >,
Girth > wrote:

> MiNE 109 > wrote:
>
> >http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,58790,00.html
>
> LOL!
>
> Especially liked this line:
>
> "Another thing they were interested in was in defecating and urinating
> all over the keyboard," added Phillips, who runs the university's
> Institute of Digital Arts and Technologies.

They don't teach that in "Writers Workshop"!

Stephen

[Joseph Oberlander]

Girth wrote:
> MiNE 109 > wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,58790,00.html
>
>
> LOL!
>
> Especially liked this line:
>
> "Another thing they were interested in was in defecating and urinating
> all over the keyboard," added Phillips, who runs the university's
> Institute of Digital Arts and Technologies.

Also known as standard UseNet guidelines.

[Arny Krueger]

"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
...
> Girth wrote:
> > MiNE 109 > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,58790,00.html
> >
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Especially liked this line:
> >
> > "Another thing they were interested in was in defecating and urinating
> > all over the keyboard," added Phillips, who runs the university's
> > Institute of Digital Arts and Technologies.
>
> Also known as standard UseNet guidelines.

Not in all of Usenet, but mostly what we see in RAO.

Note that the keyboard operators mentioned in the news article were apes.
They would be one or more steps up the evolutionary ladder from Phillips,
Weil, Dormer, Graham, etc.

[Moi]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:41:02 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote in >:

>
>"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
...

>> Also known as standard UseNet guidelines.
>
>Not in all of Usenet, but mostly what we see in RAO.
>
>Note that the keyboard operators mentioned in the news article were apes.
>They would be one or more steps up the evolutionary ladder from Phillips,
>Weil, Dormer, Graham, etc.

Sorry Krueger, but you're right in there with the rest of this bitter,
emotionally immature and eternally whining bunch.

Before you start again with the IKYABWAI bull****, why not give what I
said some thought? It would be easy enough for you to just leave,
there are dozens of other audio-related newsgroups. You must be
getting something out of all this flaming, whining, defending,
attacking, etc. etc. etc. I reiterate, you are right in there with
those you are insulting and belittling -- you are an active
participant, not an outside observer.

OK, now you can ask me what I'm doing here -- I won't be able to give
you much of an answer though. Perhaps it's a bit like watching those
snuff flicks on ogrish.com -- I'm really not sure. It sure is duller
though, and I don't suppose I'll be sticking around much longer.

Cheers...

[George M. Middius]

Moi said:

> Sorry Krueger, but you're right in there with the rest of this bitter,
> emotionally immature and eternally whining bunch.
>
> Before you start again with the IKYABWAI bull****, why not give what I
> said some thought? It would be easy enough for you to just leave,
> there are dozens of other audio-related newsgroups. You must be
> getting something out of all this flaming, whining, defending,
> attacking, etc. etc. etc.

Something other than the laughs we get at Krooger's expense, of
course.


> I reiterate, you are right in there with
> those you are insulting and belittling -- you are an active
> participant, not an outside observer.

"Right in there" or not (and I would quibble with your implication
that Krooger is merely one of a crowd), nobody, but nobody,
outdoes Mr. **** in terms of whining self-pity, mind-boggling
hypocrisy, and an uncountable torrent of lies.

[Arny Krueger]

"Moi" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:41:02 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote in >:

> >"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
> ...

> >> Also known as standard UseNet guidelines.
>
> >Not in all of Usenet, but mostly what we see in RAO.
>
>>Note that the keyboard operators mentioned in the news article were apes.

> >They would be one or more steps up the evolutionary ladder from Phillips,
> >Weil, Dormer, Graham, etc.

> Sorry Krueger, but you're right in there with the rest of this bitter,
> emotionally immature and eternally whining bunch.

As if you're not right in here with us, sockpuppet "Moi".

> Before you start again with the IKYABWAI bull****, why not give what I
> said some thought?

I guess sockpuppet "Moi" that your ego can't fathom the idea that I've been
there and done that many times.

> It would be easy enough for you to just leave,
> there are dozens of other audio-related newsgroups.

If you were better read sockpuppet Moi, you'd know that I'm active in most
of them.

> You must be
> getting something out of all this flaming, whining, defending,
> attacking, etc. etc. etc.

I'm just biding my time until the rotten lifestyle and filthy personal
habits of the usual list of suspects runs its course like it already has in
a few cases.

>I reiterate, you are right in there with
> those you are insulting and belittling -- you are an active
> participant, not an outside observer.

Typical of your delusional behavior sockpuppet Moi, to think that this is
any kind of news flash.

I can make a claim that you can't make, and that is that I was here when RAO
was a decent audio newsgroup. That is before Middius, Weil, Phillips,
Sanders and their ilk tried to take this place over.

In contrast sockpuppet Moi, you came back to this place a few weeks ago,
pronounced it unfit for man or beast, and then jumped right in with all four
cloven hooves!

> OK, now you can ask me what I'm doing here -- I won't be able to give
> you much of an answer though.

Reasoning always has always been kind of difficult for you, sockpuppet Moi.

> Perhaps it's a bit like watching those
> snuff flicks on ogrish.com -- I'm really not sure. It sure is duller
> though, and I don't suppose I'll be sticking around much longer.

Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out, sockpuppet "Moi".