The system I'm assembling [Archive]

Arny Krueger

July 18th 03, 02:57 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:27:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Dennis Selwa" > wrote in message
>> om
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm putting together a little bit at a time, my hi fi system. I
>>> would like to hear from any one on the soundness of my choices, and
>>> if I'm heading in the right direction.
>>> OK here goes:
>>> VPI scout,Dynavector 10x
>>> Acoustech PH-1 (set for max gain so I wont use a line preamp -Just a
>>> pot)
>>> Pass Labs Aleph 5
>>> Quad ESL 57
>>> Kimber 4TC
>>> Kimber PBJ
>>> Some other options I have been considering are: AES PH-1, AES AE-3,
>>> AES Sixpacs- Other components the same.
>>> Now-- What kind of sound will I expect from this little system?
>>
>> Very suboptimal sound quality given that it is based on vinyl
>> playback.
>
> Except that you're wrong, of course.

Notice that Weil lacks the common decency to say that he disagrees (that's
the actual truth, but far be it for a practiced liar and posturing expert
like Weil to lower himself to merely telling the truth), or explain why I'm
wrong.

>>> Will the tube system have more depth?
>
>> It will probably make more heat.

> And possibly be satisfying to listen to to the poster.

"to to"? I guess the presence of obvious errors is evidence that Weil's
response isn't programmed, because most automated responders at least
produce sentences with proper syntax and spelling. Weil's usual
carelessly-written response fails on both grounds.

As if it's impossible for a more modern system to be satisfying to the
listener.

>>> I've been using tubes exclusivly (sic) for a long time and wonder what's
(sic)
>>> going to happen when I go to the Acoustech/Aleph 5 combination?

>> You will be spinning your wheels, but that's the whole point, right?

> Sounds like it's *you* who's spinning his wheels with this tired diss
> of prference (sic), Mr. Krueger.

Personally, I have a preference for properly spelled words. But as most RAO
regulars know, Weil is too proud to use a spell checker, even though he
bought one.

;-)

> Your response to this post sounds like it was programmed.

Whatever rocks your cradle, servant boy.

> Without knowing what kind of tube gear you've been using, it's
> impossible for anyone, including Mr. Krueger, to say whether or not
> this new system will have more or less "depth" than what you currently
> have.

Weil is too blinkered to notice that *nobody* is going to know whether a
system is going to have more or less depth in the absence of a
generally-agreed-upon definition of "depth".

> Do you currently have the speakers, turntable, etc?

Does it matter?

> If so, the best
> thing of course is to try and borrow the gear that you're considering
> and drop it into the system and do some comparison.

Given that there's a good chance that equipment this old is in need of
maintenance, any equipment he listens to but the actual equipment in
question will probably give different results.

dave weil

July 18th 03, 03:27 PM

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:57:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:27:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Dennis Selwa" > wrote in message
>>> om
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I'm putting together a little bit at a time, my hi fi system. I
>>>> would like to hear from any one on the soundness of my choices, and
>>>> if I'm heading in the right direction.
>>>> OK here goes:
>>>> VPI scout,Dynavector 10x
>>>> Acoustech PH-1 (set for max gain so I wont use a line preamp -Just a
>>>> pot)
>>>> Pass Labs Aleph 5
>>>> Quad ESL 57
>>>> Kimber 4TC
>>>> Kimber PBJ
>>>> Some other options I have been considering are: AES PH-1, AES AE-3,
>>>> AES Sixpacs- Other components the same.
>>>> Now-- What kind of sound will I expect from this little system?
>>>
>>> Very suboptimal sound quality given that it is based on vinyl
>>> playback.
>>
>> Except that you're wrong, of course.
>
>Notice that Weil lacks the common decency to say that he disagrees

The fact that I said you're wrong says that I disagree.

>(that's the actual truth, but far be it for a practiced liar and posturing expert
>like Weil to lower himself to merely telling the truth), or explain why I'm
>wrong.

You're wrong, because you don't know whether or not another person
will have the same violent anti-vinyl bias that you do, that's why.

>>>> Will the tube system have more depth?
>>
>>> It will probably make more heat.
>
>> And possibly be satisfying to listen to to the poster.
>
>"to to"? I guess the presence of obvious errors is evidence that Weil's
>response isn't programmed, because most automated responders at least
>produce sentences with proper syntax and spelling.

Of course, my response isn't programmed. The fact that you didn't seem
to make any "obvious errors", when your posts are normally rife with
them, indicates that I'm right. Thanks for pointing that out.

>Weil's usual carelessly-written response fails on both grounds.

Which means that I'm a human being responding to the post, not a
computer-generated autoreply.

>As if it's impossible for a more modern system to be satisfying to the
>listener.

As if I said that. Nice "debating trade" tactic though.

>>>> I've been using tubes exclusivly (sic) for a long time and wonder what's
>(sic)
>>>> going to happen when I go to the Acoustech/Aleph 5 combination?
>
>>> You will be spinning your wheels, but that's the whole point, right?
>
>> Sounds like it's *you* who's spinning his wheels with this tired diss
>> of prference (sic), Mr. Krueger.
>
>Personally, I have a preference for properly spelled words.

This would be a lie, based on available evidence.

> But as most RAO regulars know, Weil is too proud to use a spell checker, even though he
>bought one.

It came with the newsreader.

>> Your response to this post sounds like it was programmed.
>
>Whatever rocks your cradle, servant boy.

I really appreciate the reference, because apparently it had a
retroactive effect on my tips last night. Walked with $191 on sales of
$850. considering that my tipout was $13, I had a great percentage.
Over 20%. Swwweeeet.

So, thanks again for your malevolent thoughts. Keep them coming, Mr.
Krueger. You're my little personal good luck charm.

>> Without knowing what kind of tube gear you've been using, it's
>> impossible for anyone, including Mr. Krueger, to say whether or not
>> this new system will have more or less "depth" than what you currently
>> have.
>
>Weil is too blinkered to notice that *nobody* is going to know whether a
>system is going to have more or less depth in the absence of a
>generally-agreed-upon definition of "depth".

Well, most people know what the guy meant.

>> Do you currently have the speakers, turntable, etc?
>
>Does it matter?

It does to try to give an educated opinion about the difference
between his current system and the substitutions that he has planned.

>> If so, the best
>> thing of course is to try and borrow the gear that you're considering
>> and drop it into the system and do some comparison.
>
>Given that there's a good chance that equipment this old is in need of
>maintenance, any equipment he listens to but the actual equipment in
>question will probably give different results.

How do you know how old his gear is (or whether or not he even has it
currently)? The only thing that seems old enough to be "in need of
maintenance" is the Quad speaker system, and it's not clear whether he
currently has them or is building the system piece by piece, with the
specifically listed gear to be purchased in the future (or even if
they've recently BEEN rebuilt). That's part of why I asked in the
first place. Of course, you didn't bother to ask *any* questions about
his current system, something that most "scientists" would do before
expressing an opinion. You just decided to **** all over the thread,
as usual.

Nice work, Mr. Krueger.

MiNe 109

July 18th 03, 05:19 PM

In article <ZyURa.90144$ye4.64978@sccrnsc01>,
"normanstrong" > wrote:

> "Dennis Selwa" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Hello,
> > I'm putting together a little bit at a time, my hi fi system. I
> would
> > like to hear from any one on the soundness of my choices, and if I'm
> > heading in the right direction.
> > OK here goes:
> > VPI scout,Dynavector 10x
> > Acoustech PH-1 (set for max gain so I wont use a line preamp -Just a
> > pot)
> > Pass Labs Aleph 5
> > Quad ESL 57
> > Kimber 4TC
> > Kimber PBJ
> > Some other options I have been considering are: AES PH-1, AES AE-3,
> > AES Sixpacs- Other components the same.
> > Now-- What kind of sound will I expect from this little system? Will
> > the tube system have more depth?
> > I've been using tubes exclusivly for a long time and wonder whats
> > going to happen when I go to the Acoustech/Aleph 5 combination?
> >
> > Dennis Selwa
>
> You're going to have less money in the bank--for sure. Where does the
> bass come from? I don't recognize any part numbers that look like
> speakers, except for the Quad ESL, which has nothing much in the bass
> region.

ESLs reportedly go down to 40 hz, which is good enough for a lot of
people. And look at all the money he's saving on a preamp.

It didn't take long to find this:

http://www.quadesl.org/Amplifiers/amplifiers.html

There are some inexpensive recommendations there, including the NAD 3020
and the Naim NAIT, assuming one can find one in good condition.

Stephen

Dennis Selwa

July 18th 03, 09:24 PM

Hi,
I understand that asking a question based on a purely subjective
observation will give an infinite number of answers.
Anyway my old equioment:
Citation II
Fisher 55A
Curcio ST70
Eico HF85
MC60's
Quads and Rauna Leiras
Dual 510 with Shure V15MK3

There is no doubt that the new system eclipses the old one. ( I hope
eclipse isnt one of those hackneyed audiophile terms. I dont usually
use them).
Any way I'm going with the new system full speed ahead and damn the
torpedos and arrows of missfortune.

Dennis Selwa

Bruce J. Richman

July 18th 03, 09:50 PM

Dennis Selwa wrote:

>Hi,
> I understand that asking a question based on a purely subjective
>observation will give an infinite number of answers.
>Anyway my old equioment:
>Citation II
>Fisher 55A
>Curcio ST70
>Eico HF85
>MC60's
>Quads and Rauna Leiras
>Dual 510 with Shure V15MK3
>
>There is no doubt that the new system eclipses the old one. ( I hope
>eclipse isnt one of those hackneyed audiophile terms. I dont usually
>use them).
>Any way I'm going with the new system full speed ahead and damn the
>torpedos and arrows of missfortune.
>
>Dennis Selwa
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sounds llike you've made some sound judgments. Naturallly, you'll disregard -
and wisely - the nasty anti-vinyl propaganda that you got in response to a
legitimate question. It's unfortunate that pollution of that type occurs on
RAO, but fortunately, it is limited to one person.

As a former owner of Quad ESL 57's (which I ran, believe it or not with an old
Fisher 400 receiver), I think you'll be very pleased as long as you get a pair
that is in good condition with intact panels with no arcing damage. Although I
prefer running electrostatics with tubes (currently I'm using Martin Logan CSL
II speakers), I've ;auditioned several of the Pass Aleph models in the past,
and I liked what I heard. Not harsh, no "transistoritis" IMHO, and quite
neutral sounding. Just be sure not to overdrive the Quads, as they don't
require a lot of power.

I also own a VPI turntable, and have nothing but good things to say about their
products. They are very rugged, realtively easy to set up, and do not require
a lot of tinkering - all good things in my book.

Now, all you need to ask, and I highly recommend it, is the Disc Doctor
bursh/cleaning fluid system. This 2-step, once-only cleaning process does a
better job in cleaning LPs (both used and new) than anything I've used in the
past. Check it out at http://www.discdoc.com, and good luck!

Bruce J. Richman

Daniel

July 18th 03, 10:44 PM

Dennis -

Ignore Arny. He is the resident nincompoop of r.a.o. Lately his
disorder manifests in a need to dis people who want advice about
playing records.

I don't have any LPs myself, so I have no advice for you other than
this: don't pay a bit of attention to Krueger's rantings. He's a mean
person with no intention of helping you.

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message >...
> "Dennis Selwa" > wrote in message
> om
> > Hello,
> > I'm putting together a little bit at a time, my hi fi system. I would
> > like to hear from any one on the soundness of my choices, and if I'm
> > heading in the right direction.
> > OK here goes:
> > VPI scout,Dynavector 10x
> > Acoustech PH-1 (set for max gain so I wont use a line preamp -Just a
> > pot)
> > Pass Labs Aleph 5
> > Quad ESL 57
> > Kimber 4TC
> > Kimber PBJ
> > Some other options I have been considering are: AES PH-1, AES AE-3,
> > AES Sixpacs- Other components the same.
> > Now-- What kind of sound will I expect from this little system?
>
> Very suboptimal sound quality given that it is based on vinyl playback.
>
> >Will the tube system have more depth?
>
> It will probably make more heat.
>
> > I've been using tubes exclusivly for a long time and wonder whats
> > going to happen when I go to the Acoustech/Aleph 5 combination?
>
> You will be spinning your wheels, but that's the whole point, right?

Marc Phillips

July 19th 03, 03:16 AM

dave said:

>How do you know how old his gear is (or whether or not he even has it
>currently)? The only thing that seems old enough to be "in need of
>maintenance" is the Quad speaker system, and it's not clear whether he
>currently has them or is building the system piece by piece, with the
>specifically listed gear to be purchased in the future (or even if
>they've recently BEEN rebuilt). That's part of why I asked in the
>first place. Of course, you didn't bother to ask *any* questions about
>his current system, something that most "scientists" would do before
>expressing an opinion. You just decided to **** all over the thread,
>as usual.
>
>Nice work, Mr. Krueger.

Arny's anti-vinyl comments to this guy are so obvious and so trite, I can only
come up with two explanations:

1) Arny wants to take everyone's mind off the fact that he's a child
pornographer by being so overtly and obnoxiously against vinyl.

2) Arny's an attention whore, and his pederasty has made so many people ignore,
avoid and killfile him that he needs to raise his profile to satisfy his need
to be acknowledged by others.

Both, of course, are probably right.

Boon

Arny Krueger

July 19th 03, 03:30 AM

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> dave said:
>
>> How do you know how old his gear is (or whether or not he even has it
>> currently)? The only thing that seems old enough to be "in need of
>> maintenance" is the Quad speaker system, and it's not clear whether
>> he currently has them or is building the system piece by piece, with
>> the specifically listed gear to be purchased in the future (or even
>> if they've recently BEEN rebuilt). That's part of why I asked in the
>> first place. Of course, you didn't bother to ask *any* questions
>> about his current system, something that most "scientists" would do
>> before expressing an opinion. You just decided to **** all over the
>> thread, as usual.
>>
>> Nice work, Mr. Krueger.
>
> Arny's anti-vinyl comments to this guy are so obvious and so trite, I
> can only come up with two explanations:
>
> 1) Arny wants to take everyone's mind off the fact that he's a child
> pornographer by being so overtly and obnoxiously against vinyl.

Marc Phillips dredges up this non-existent child pronography issue whenever
vinyl is getting its just deserts and he can't cope with it.

> 2) Arny's an attention whore, and his pederasty has made so many
> people ignore, avoid and killfile him that he needs to raise his
> profile to satisfy his need to be acknowledged by others.

The pederasty is 100% a fabrication of Marc Phillips imagination. It always
surprises me that my posts get so much attention.

> Both, of course, are probably right.

In Marc Phillips' little world, he's smart.

LOL!

Marc Phillips

July 19th 03, 04:52 AM

Arny said:

>Marc Phillips dredges up this non-existent child pronography

Oh please. Why do you even bother defending yourself anymore? Everyone has
seen the proof, everyone had to live through the ugliness of your fantasy
world.

Just leave the group. You disgust us all.

Boon

Joseph Oberlander

July 19th 03, 07:19 AM

Dennis Selwa wrote:

> There is no doubt that the new system eclipses the old one. ( I hope
> eclipse isnt one of those hackneyed audiophile terms. I dont usually
> use them).
> Any way I'm going with the new system full speed ahead and damn the
> torpedos and arrows of missfortune.

One thing, though.

Look at the Magnepan line. They aren't as good as new Quads, but
certainly aren't as expensive either. Worth a listen, IMO.

Dennis Selwa

July 19th 03, 07:41 AM

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in message
> and I liked what I heard. Not harsh, no "transistoritis" IMHO, and quite
> neutral sounding. Just be sure not to overdrive the Quads, as they don't
> require a lot of power.
>
> I also own a VPI turntable, and have nothing but good things to say about their
> products. They are very rugged, realtively easy to set up, and do not require
> a lot of tinkering - all good things in my book.
>
> Now, all you need to ask, and I highly recommend it, is the Disc Doctor
> bursh/cleaning fluid system. This 2-step, once-only cleaning process does a
> better job in cleaning LPs (both used and new) than anything I've used in the
> past. Check it out at http://www.discdoc.com, and good luck!
>
>
>
>
> Bruce J. Richman
Hello Bruce,
Thanks for the fine advice. Actually I will eventually get a record
cleaning machine. For now I'll clean my records at "Stereo Unlimited"
here in San Diego. He provides the solutions and will charge me about
$10 to clean 25 records.
Yea I took Arnies comments as a bit of tounge in cheek.There's humor
in his comments--just have to read between the lines. I guess he's the
local court jester. Checking out some of his past posts on vinyl he
does have an AR turntable (or did). Anyway there were no hurt
feelings.

Dennis Selwa

Arny Krueger

July 19th 03, 10:22 AM

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Arny said:
>
>> Marc Phillips dredges up this non-existent child pornography
>
> Oh please. Why do you even bother defending yourself anymore?
> Everyone has seen the proof, everyone had to live through the
> ugliness of your fantasy world.

Phillips, there is no proof. People see your so-called evidence and laugh
you and your claims off.

> Just leave the group.

Stay around Phillips. We need village idiots like you for comic relief.

> You disgust us all.

You're externalizing again, Phillips.

dave weil

July 19th 03, 01:20 PM

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:20:09 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> wrote:

>Dennis Selwa wrote:
>
>> Pass Labs Aleph 5
>> Quad ESL 57
>
>Nice speaker. Requires gobs of power, though. Super-clean preamp
>as well.
>
>> Kimber 4TC
>> Kimber PBJ
>
>Just get some big gauge wire. No need to buy into that "uber-wire"
>nonsense. For these speakers, 6-8 gauge would be overkill and more
>than twice the metal per foot than those Kimbers.

Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
speaker wire?

Arny Krueger

July 19th 03, 06:01 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:20:09 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> > wrote:
>
>> Dennis Selwa wrote:
>>
>>> Pass Labs Aleph 5
>>> Quad ESL 57
>>
>> Nice speaker. Requires gobs of power, though. Super-clean preamp
>> as well.
>>
>>> Kimber 4TC
>>> Kimber PBJ
>>
>> Just get some big gauge wire. No need to buy into that "uber-wire"
>> nonsense. For these speakers, 6-8 gauge would be overkill and more
>> than twice the metal per foot than those Kimbers.
>
> Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
> speaker wire?

Two typical 8 foot runs gets you to $160 for what amounts to being $4.00
worth of wire.

If I were as unethical as Weil, I'd think its a great idea that stupid
arrogant people get ripped off for $156 early and often. If only I could be
as unethical as Ray Kimber, and get people to send the money to me!

LOL!

Marc Phillips

July 19th 03, 06:13 PM

Arny said:

>Phillips, there is no proof.

So you never introduced the phrase "Daddy, why did you grope me in my coffin?"
to the group?

Just say you didn't, and you might get off scot-free!

Leave the group, pervert.

Boon

dave weil

July 19th 03, 06:29 PM

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:01:25 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:20:09 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis Selwa wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pass Labs Aleph 5
>>>> Quad ESL 57
>>>
>>> Nice speaker. Requires gobs of power, though. Super-clean preamp
>>> as well.
>>>
>>>> Kimber 4TC
>>>> Kimber PBJ
>>>
>>> Just get some big gauge wire. No need to buy into that "uber-wire"
>>> nonsense. For these speakers, 6-8 gauge would be overkill and more
>>> than twice the metal per foot than those Kimbers.
>>
>> Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
>> speaker wire?
>
>Two typical 8 foot runs gets you to $160 for what amounts to being $4.00
>worth of wire.

>If I were as unethical as Weil, I'd think its a great idea that stupid
>arrogant people get ripped off for $156 early and often. If only I could be
>as unethical as Ray Kimber, and get people to send the money to me!

You sir are the unethical one by claiming that others are unethical.
The next thing you know, you'll be going after Rolex as an "unethical
company".

What a joke!

The sanctimonious Arnold Krueger expects *everyone* to share his
desire for mediocrity.

Cool.

Plus, I'll bet he's a bad tipper as well. After all, why leave 15 -20%
when you can leave 5%?

Arny Krueger

July 19th 03, 07:13 PM

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

Now as it evolves, if Phillips was smart he would have set the no archve
flag for this post but he didn't.

Here's the headers:

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References: >
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Message-ID: >
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> Arny said:

>> Phillips, there is no proof.

> So you never introduced the phrase "Daddy, why did you grope me in my
> coffin?" to the group?

That's right. Please see the results of this Google retrieval:

http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22Daddy%2C+why+did+you+grope+me+in+my+co ffin
%22

>Just say you didn't, and you might get off scot-free!

I didn't introduce the phrase to the group, as proven by the google
retrieval I just provided.

>Leave the group, pervert.

If I catch your drift Phillips, you're saying that the person who introduced
this phrase to the group should leave, right?

Here's a news flash: That person is you.

All I have to say is "Bon voyage"!

;-)

Oh, and BTW please take Middius and North with you!

LOL!

Arny Krueger

July 19th 03, 07:18 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:01:25 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>
>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:20:09 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dennis Selwa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pass Labs Aleph 5
>>>>> Quad ESL 57
>>>>
>>>> Nice speaker. Requires gobs of power, though. Super-clean preamp
>>>> as well.

Actually, the ESL-57 is pretty inefficient, but more significantly it can't
handle gobs of power very long without being destroyed.

>>>>> Kimber 4TC
>>>>> Kimber PBJ

>>>> Just get some big gauge wire. No need to buy into that "uber-wire"
>>>> nonsense. For these speakers, 6-8 gauge would be overkill and more
>>>> than twice the metal per foot than those Kimbers.
>>>
>>> Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
>>> speaker wire?
>>
>> Two typical 8 foot runs gets you to $160 for what amounts to being
>> $4.00 worth of wire.
>
>> If I were as unethical as Weil, I'd think its a great idea that
>> stupid arrogant people get ripped off for $156 early and often. If
>> only I could be as unethical as Ray Kimber, and get people to send
>> the money to me!
>
> You sir are the unethical one by claiming that others are unethical.

Prove it. Without proof its a lie which is of course, unethical.

> The next thing you know, you'll be going after Rolex as an "unethical
> company".

Irrelevant and unfounded claim. Attempt at mind reading. Unethical.

> What a joke!

Yes you are, Weil.

LOL!

> The sanctimonious Arnold Krueger expects *everyone* to share his
> desire for mediocrity.

Prove that there's some audible advantage to Kimber's $10 a foot wire over
the commodity equivalent and your claim of mediocrity becomes ethical.
Otherwise Weil, its more proof that you are a liar, which is of course
unethical.

> Cool.

Unethical.

> Plus, I'll bet he's a bad tipper as well. After all, why leave 15 -20%
> when you can leave 5%?

Irrelevant. Presumptuous. Unethical.

Arny Krueger

July 19th 03, 07:19 PM

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

> dave weil said:
>
>> The sanctimonious Arnold Krueger expects *everyone* to share his
>> desire for mediocrity.
>>
>> Cool.
>>
>> Plus, I'll bet he's a bad tipper as well. After all, why leave 15
>> -20% when you can leave 5%?
>
> Isn't that academic now that Mr. **** is under house arrest?

Yet another lie.

dave weil

July 19th 03, 07:35 PM

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:18:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:01:25 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:20:09 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dennis Selwa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pass Labs Aleph 5
>>>>>> Quad ESL 57
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice speaker. Requires gobs of power, though. Super-clean preamp
>>>>> as well.
>
>Actually, the ESL-57 is pretty inefficient, but more significantly it can't
>handle gobs of power very long without being destroyed.
>
>>>>>> Kimber 4TC
>>>>>> Kimber PBJ
>
>>>>> Just get some big gauge wire. No need to buy into that "uber-wire"
>>>>> nonsense. For these speakers, 6-8 gauge would be overkill and more
>>>>> than twice the metal per foot than those Kimbers.
>>>>
>>>> Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
>>>> speaker wire?
>>>
>>> Two typical 8 foot runs gets you to $160 for what amounts to being
>>> $4.00 worth of wire.
>>
>>> If I were as unethical as Weil, I'd think its a great idea that
>>> stupid arrogant people get ripped off for $156 early and often. If
>>> only I could be as unethical as Ray Kimber, and get people to send
>>> the money to me!
>>
>> You sir are the unethical one by claiming that others are unethical.
>
>Prove it. Without proof its a lie which is of course, unethical.

You have claimed without proof that people are unethical. This makes
you unethical. It's just as valid as *your* ideas of ethics.

>> The next thing you know, you'll be going after Rolex as an "unethical
>> company".
>
>Irrelevant and unfounded claim.

Not at all. It goes right to the heart of the matter.

>Attempt at mind reading. Unethical.

Thank you for avoiding my "claim". Guess this proves that I'm right.

>> What a joke!
>
>Yes you are, Weil.
>
>LOL!

Lack of imagination from Mr. Krueger noted.

>> The sanctimonious Arnold Krueger expects *everyone* to share his
>> desire for mediocrity.
>
>Prove that there's some audible advantage to Kimber's $10 a foot wire over
>the commodity equivalent and your claim of mediocrity becomes ethical.

Prove that *anyone* has made any technical claims about Kimber in this
thread, other than you. Prove that you've done the requisite
measurements of the said product and disclose the results of your
listening tests to back up your claims.

>Otherwise Weil, its more proof that you are a liar, which is of course
>unethical.
>
>> Cool.
>
>Unethical.

Hardly.

Prove it!

<g>

>> Plus, I'll bet he's a bad tipper as well. After all, why leave 15 -20%
>> when you can leave 5%?
>
>Irrelevant. Presumptuous. Unethical.

Nope. Just speaking what seems to be the truth, based on your postings
here on USENET. And it's *not* irrelevant to your dismissal of things
that cost more than the "minimum".

Looks like I've kicked your butt yet again.

It's like skimming scum off of the pond...

dave weil

July 19th 03, 07:36 PM

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:19:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

>> dave weil said:
>>
>>> The sanctimonious Arnold Krueger expects *everyone* to share his
>>> desire for mediocrity.
>>>
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> Plus, I'll bet he's a bad tipper as well. After all, why leave 15
>>> -20% when you can leave 5%?
>>
>> Isn't that academic now that Mr. **** is under house arrest?
>
>Yet another lie.

Prove it!

LOL!

dave weil

July 19th 03, 07:37 PM

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:04:25 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>
>dave weil said:
>
>> The sanctimonious Arnold Krueger expects *everyone* to share his
>> desire for mediocrity.
>>
>> Cool.
>>
>> Plus, I'll bet he's a bad tipper as well. After all, why leave 15 -20%
>> when you can leave 5%?
>
>Isn't that academic now that Mr. **** is under house arrest?

I'm one of those people who believes in tipping the pizza boy.

Of course, this phrase takes on whole new meanings in Arnold's world,
so I suppose you might be correct.

David S. Hansen

July 19th 03, 08:08 PM

(Dennis Selwa) wrote in message >...
> Hello,
> I'm putting together a little bit at a time, my hi fi system. I would
> like to hear from any one on the soundness of my choices, and if I'm
> heading in the right direction.
> OK here goes:
> VPI scout,Dynavector 10x
> Acoustech PH-1 (set for max gain so I wont use a line preamp -Just a
> pot)
> Pass Labs Aleph 5
> Quad ESL 57
> Kimber 4TC
> Kimber PBJ

I went in this direction for a little while, in a fit of madness. I
dropped quite a bit of money on B&W speakers, kimber interconnects,
Musical Fidelity sources, Parasound monoblock amps, Monster Power
conditioners, etc.

About a month ago I spent less than $2000 on the following system:

$ 0 An old Sony DVD player w/toslink-out( used as CD transport only
)
$ 300 Behringer UltraCurve Pro DEQ2496
$ 150 Slightly used Behringer Eurorack UB1622FX-PRO
$1300 Mackie 824HR Active studio Monitors
$ 200 Markertek XLR cables( canare cable with neutrik connectors )

The DEQ2496's room correction and RTA features have proved invaluable,
and I currently get better sound from this setup than I ever did from
the far more expensive setup. I now listen to music exclusively on
this system, and the expensive gear has been relegated to home
theater.

Bruce J. Richman

July 19th 03, 08:16 PM

Dennis Sliwa wrote:

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in message
>> and I liked what I heard. Not harsh, no "transistoritis" IMHO, and quite
>> neutral sounding. Just be sure not to overdrive the Quads, as they don't
>> require a lot of power.
>>
>> I also own a VPI turntable, and have nothing but good things to say about
>their
>> products. They are very rugged, realtively easy to set up, and do not
>require
>> a lot of tinkering - all good things in my book.
>>
>> Now, all you need to ask, and I highly recommend it, is the Disc Doctor
>> bursh/cleaning fluid system. This 2-step, once-only cleaning process does
>a
>> better job in cleaning LPs (both used and new) than anything I've used in
>the
>> past. Check it out at http://www.discdoc.com, and good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce J. Richman
>Hello Bruce,
> Thanks for the fine advice. Actually I will eventually get a record
>cleaning machine.

That's a good idea. I use a VPI 16.5 RCM and recommend it highly. It's
ruggedly built, and does what it is designed to do. I use it in conjunction
with the Disc Doctor cleaning fluid and brushes, which I find more effective
than the stock VPI brush and cleaning fluid...Check out the Disc Doctor web
site to see instructions for using these 2 products together.

For now I'll clean my records at "Stereo Unlimited"
>here in San Diego. He provides the solutions and will charge me about
>$10 to clean 25 records.
> Yea I took Arnies comments as a bit of tounge in cheek.There's humor
>in his comments--just have to read between the lines. I guess he's the
>local court jester. Checking out some of his past posts on vinyl he
>does have an AR turntable (or did). Anyway there were no hurt
>feelings.
>
>Dennis Selwa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Bruce J. Richman

George M. Middius

July 19th 03, 09:18 PM

dave weil said:

> >>> Plus, I'll bet he's a bad tipper as well. After all, why leave 15
> >>> -20% when you can leave 5%?
> >>
> >> Isn't that academic now that Mr. **** is under house arrest?
> >
> >Yet another lie.
>
> Prove it!

In any case, we have him well trained.

Marc Phillips

July 19th 03, 09:51 PM

Arny said:

>Now as it evolves, if Phillips was smart he would have set the no archve
>flag for this post but he didn't.
>
>Here's the headers:
>
>ath:
>news5.aus1.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nn tp.aus1.giganews.com!borde
>r3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14fe ed!worldnet.att.net!205.18
>8.226.97!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
>Lines: 14
>X-Admin:
>From: (Marc Phillips)
>Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
>Date: 19 Jul 2003 17:13:56 GMT
>References: >
>Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
>Subject: Re: The system I'm assembling
>Message-ID: >
>Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com rec.audio.opinion:672463
>
>> Arny said:
>
>>> Phillips, there is no proof.
>
>> So you never introduced the phrase "Daddy, why did you grope me in my
>> coffin?" to the group?
>
>That's right. Please see the results of this Google retrieval:
>
>http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22Daddy%2C+why+did+you+grope+me+in+my+co ffin
>%22
>
>>Just say you didn't, and you might get off scot-free!
>
>I didn't introduce the phrase to the group, as proven by the google
>retrieval I just provided.
>
>>Leave the group, pervert.
>
>If I catch your drift Phillips, you're saying that the person who introduced
>this phrase to the group should leave, right?
>
>Here's a news flash: That person is you.
>
>All I have to say is "Bon voyage"!
>
>;-)
>
>Oh, and BTW please take Middius and North with you!
>
>LOL!
>

Ugh. Forget it. It's disgusting to watch you try to wiggle out from this. My
stomach is turning.

You're a scumbag, Arny. This post of yours proves that you're proud of it.

Boon

Arny Krueger

July 19th 03, 10:58 PM

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Arny said:
>
>> Now as it evolves, if Phillips was smart he would have set the no
>> archve flag for this post but he didn't.
>>
>> Here's the headers:
>>
>> ath:
>>
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>>
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>> 8.226.97!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
>> Lines: 14
>> X-Admin:
>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>> Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
>> Date: 19 Jul 2003 17:13:56 GMT
>> References: >
>> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
>> Subject: Re: The system I'm assembling
>> Message-ID: >
>> Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com rec.audio.opinion:672463
>>
>>> Arny said:
>>
>>>> Phillips, there is no proof.
>>
>>> So you never introduced the phrase "Daddy, why did you grope me in
>>> my coffin?" to the group?
>>
>> That's right. Please see the results of this Google retrieval:
>>
>>
http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22Daddy%2C+why+did+you+grope+me+in+my+co ffin
>> %22
>>
>>> Just say you didn't, and you might get off scot-free!
>>
>> I didn't introduce the phrase to the group, as proven by the google
>> retrieval I just provided.
>>
>>> Leave the group, pervert.
>>
>> If I catch your drift Phillips, you're saying that the person who
>> introduced this phrase to the group should leave, right?
>>
>> Here's a news flash: That person is you.
>>
>> All I have to say is "Bon voyage"!
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Oh, and BTW please take Middius and North with you!
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>
> Ugh. Forget it. It's disgusting to watch you try to wiggle out from
> this. My stomach is turning.

I didn't wiggle out Phillips, I proved conclusively and beyond a shadow of a
doubt that you were the first person who introduced this vile phrase to the
newsgroup.

> You're a scumbag, Arny.

I am innocent and you are guility, Phillips.

>This post of yours proves that you're proud of it.

All proves is what a scumbag you are Phillips, and how you try to wriggle
out of taking responsibility for your own evil deeds.

Arny Krueger

July 19th 03, 10:59 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:19:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "George M. Middius" > wrote in message
>>
>>> dave weil said:
>>>
>>>> The sanctimonious Arnold Krueger expects *everyone* to share his
>>>> desire for mediocrity.
>>>>
>>>> Cool.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, I'll bet he's a bad tipper as well. After all, why leave 15
>>>> -20% when you can leave 5%?
>>>
>>> Isn't that academic now that Mr. **** is under house arrest?
>>
>> Yet another lie.

> Prove it!

That would be your task, Weil. Since positives are so easy to prove compaged
to negatives, have at it!

Marc Phillips

July 20th 03, 12:45 AM

Arny said:

>>> Now as it evolves, if Phillips was smart he would have set the no
>>> archve flag for this post but he didn't.
>>>
>>> Here's the headers:
>>>
>>> ath:
>>>
>news5.aus1.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nn tp.aus1.giganews.com!borde
>>>
>r3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14fe ed!worldnet.att.net!205.18
>>> 8.226.97!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
>>> Lines: 14
>>> X-Admin:
>>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>>> Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
>>> Date: 19 Jul 2003 17:13:56 GMT
>>> References: >
>>> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
>>> Subject: Re: The system I'm assembling
>>> Message-ID: >
>>> Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com rec.audio.opinion:672463
>>>
>>>> Arny said:
>>>
>>>>> Phillips, there is no proof.
>>>
>>>> So you never introduced the phrase "Daddy, why did you grope me in
>>>> my coffin?" to the group?
>>>
>>> That's right. Please see the results of this Google retrieval:
>>>
>>>
>http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22Daddy%2C+why+did+you+grope+me+in+my+co ffin
>>> %22
>>>
>>>> Just say you didn't, and you might get off scot-free!
>>>
>>> I didn't introduce the phrase to the group, as proven by the google
>>> retrieval I just provided.
>>>
>>>> Leave the group, pervert.
>>>
>>> If I catch your drift Phillips, you're saying that the person who
>>> introduced this phrase to the group should leave, right?
>>>
>>> Here's a news flash: That person is you.
>>>
>>> All I have to say is "Bon voyage"!
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Oh, and BTW please take Middius and North with you!
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>
>> Ugh. Forget it. It's disgusting to watch you try to wiggle out from
>> this. My stomach is turning.
>
>I didn't wiggle out Phillips, I proved conclusively and beyond a shadow of a
>doubt that you were the first person who introduced this vile phrase to the
>newsgroup.
>
>> You're a scumbag, Arny.
>
>I am innocent and you are guility, Phillips.
>
>>This post of yours proves that you're proud of it.
>
>All proves is what a scumbag you are Phillips, and how you try to wriggle
>out of taking responsibility for your own evil deeds.

Are you trying to tell me that the whole crux of this argument is that you said
"what did it feel like to grope me in my coffin, daddy?" instead of "Daddy, why
did you grope me in my coffin?"?

Is that it, you ****ing sick ****?

Leave the group, pervert. We don't want you here.

Boon

George M. Middius

July 20th 03, 12:53 AM

Marc Phillips said:

> Are you trying to tell me that the whole crux of this argument is that you said
> "what did it feel like to grope me in my coffin, daddy?" instead of "Daddy, why
> did you grope me in my coffin?"?

You have pinpointed the crux of Mr. ****'s "debating trade" twisting.

> Is that it, you ****ing sick ****?
> Leave the group, pervert. We don't want you here.

May we please amend that to "Leave this earthly plane, pervert"?

Arny Krueger

July 20th 03, 02:14 AM

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Arny said:
>
>>>> Now as it evolves, if Phillips was smart he would have set the no
>>>> archve flag for this post but he didn't.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the headers:
>>>>
>>>> ath:
>>>>
>>
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>>>>
>>
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>>>> 8.226.97!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
>>>> Lines: 14
>>>> X-Admin:
>>>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>>>> Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
>>>> Date: 19 Jul 2003 17:13:56 GMT
>>>> References: >
>>>> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
>>>> Subject: Re: The system I'm assembling
>>>> Message-ID: >
>>>> Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com rec.audio.opinion:672463
>>>>
>>>>> Arny said:
>>>>
>>>>>> Phillips, there is no proof.
>>>>
>>>>> So you never introduced the phrase "Daddy, why did you grope me in
>>>>> my coffin?" to the group?
>>>>
>>>> That's right. Please see the results of this Google retrieval:
>>>>
>>>>
>>
http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22Daddy%2C+why+did+you+grope+me+in+my+co ffin
>>>> %22
>>>>
>>>>> Just say you didn't, and you might get off scot-free!
>>>>
>>>> I didn't introduce the phrase to the group, as proven by the google
>>>> retrieval I just provided.
>>>>
>>>>> Leave the group, pervert.
>>>>
>>>> If I catch your drift Phillips, you're saying that the person who
>>>> introduced this phrase to the group should leave, right?
>>>>
>>>> Here's a news flash: That person is you.
>>>>
>>>> All I have to say is "Bon voyage"!
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and BTW please take Middius and North with you!
>>>>
>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ugh. Forget it. It's disgusting to watch you try to wiggle out
>>> from this. My stomach is turning.
>>
>> I didn't wiggle out Phillips, I proved conclusively and beyond a
>> shadow of a doubt that you were the first person who introduced this
>> vile phrase to the newsgroup.
>>
>>> You're a scumbag, Arny.
>>
>> I am innocent and you are guility, Phillips.
>>
>>> This post of yours proves that you're proud of it.
>>
>> All proves is what a scumbag you are Phillips, and how you try to
>> wriggle out of taking responsibility for your own evil deeds.

> Are you trying to tell me that the whole crux of this argument is
> that you said "what did it feel like to grope me in my coffin,
> daddy?" instead of "Daddy, why did you grope me in my coffin?"?

Phillips, I'm sure you're getting a real rush gratuyitously posting all this
trash on RAO.

> Is that it, you ****ing sick ****?

Your desire to post and repost this stuff is really pretty sick. Why don't
you just stop it, eh Phillips?

> Leave the group, pervert. We don't want you here.

You're the pervert, Phillips. But stick around, we need someone like you to
pity.

Marc Phillips

July 20th 03, 02:38 AM

Arny said:

>>>>> Now as it evolves, if Phillips was smart he would have set the no
>>>>> archve flag for this post but he didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the headers:
>>>>>
>>>>> ath:
>>>>>
>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>r3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn14fe ed!worldnet.att.net!205.18
>>>>> 8.226.97!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
>>>>> Lines: 14
>>>>> X-Admin:
>>>>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>>>>> Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
>>>>> Date: 19 Jul 2003 17:13:56 GMT
>>>>> References: >
>>>>> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: The system I'm assembling
>>>>> Message-ID: >
>>>>> Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com rec.audio.opinion:672463
>>>>>
>>>>>> Arny said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phillips, there is no proof.
>>>>>
>>>>>> So you never introduced the phrase "Daddy, why did you grope me in
>>>>>> my coffin?" to the group?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's right. Please see the results of this Google retrieval:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22Daddy%2C+why+did+you+grope+me+in+my+co ffin
>>>>> %22
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just say you didn't, and you might get off scot-free!
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't introduce the phrase to the group, as proven by the google
>>>>> retrieval I just provided.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Leave the group, pervert.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I catch your drift Phillips, you're saying that the person who
>>>>> introduced this phrase to the group should leave, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a news flash: That person is you.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I have to say is "Bon voyage"!
>>>>>
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and BTW please take Middius and North with you!
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ugh. Forget it. It's disgusting to watch you try to wiggle out
>>>> from this. My stomach is turning.
>>>
>>> I didn't wiggle out Phillips, I proved conclusively and beyond a
>>> shadow of a doubt that you were the first person who introduced this
>>> vile phrase to the newsgroup.
>>>
>>>> You're a scumbag, Arny.
>>>
>>> I am innocent and you are guility, Phillips.
>>>
>>>> This post of yours proves that you're proud of it.
>>>
>>> All proves is what a scumbag you are Phillips, and how you try to
>>> wriggle out of taking responsibility for your own evil deeds.
>
>> Are you trying to tell me that the whole crux of this argument is
>> that you said "what did it feel like to grope me in my coffin,
>> daddy?" instead of "Daddy, why did you grope me in my coffin?"?
>
>Phillips, I'm sure you're getting a real rush gratuyitously [sic] posting all
this
>trash on RAO.

In other words, that IS the crux of the argument. Congratulations on dragging
the memory of your son through the mud once again in order to score imaginary
debating points with a bunch of strangers.

>
>> Is that it, you ****ing sick ****?
>
>Your desire to post and repost this stuff is really pretty sick. Why don't
>you just stop it, eh Phillips?

Why don't you leave? Why don't you pry yourself away from the clutches of your
mental illness and lead a productive life?

I had certainly chosen not to argue with you anymore, because it's not
honorable to argue with someone, like yourself, who is mentally ill. But you
can thank your buddy Bill Watkins for piping up and rehashing your same old
defeats here.

>
>> Leave the group, pervert. We don't want you here.
>
>You're the pervert, Phillips. But stick around, we need someone like you to
>pity.

There is no "we," Arny. Even Bill Watkins couldn't deal with your sickness any
more.

You are alone in the world.

Boon

Marc Phillips

July 20th 03, 03:36 AM

Arny said:

>"George M. Middius" > wrote in message

>
>> Marc Phillips said:
>
><his usual perverse grossness>
>
>> You have pinpointed the crux of Mr. ****'s "debating trade" twisting.
>
>>> Is that it, you ****ing sick ****?
>
>>> Leave the group, pervert. We don't want you here.
>
>> May we please amend that to "Leave this earthly plane, pervert"?
>
>This all makes no sense, either way.
>
>How does this work Middius. Do you get off every time you make a post saying
>that you want me to die? Could you possibly be more pathetic and disgusting?
>Do you get off every time Phillips takes another swim in his little pool of
>death and sex? Could either of you possibly be more pathetic and disgusting?
>
>Your mistake Middius, and the mistake of Phillips is thinking that all this
>gratuitous reveling in death and sex has no impact on your own image around
>here.

Your mistake is that your failure to leave even though you're almost
universally reviled defines your image around here. it defines your mental
illness, in fact.

Boon

Arny Krueger

July 20th 03, 04:12 AM

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Your mistake is that your failure to leave even though you're almost
> universally reviled defines your image around here.

Except that you are delusional, Phillips. OK, so you and Middius revile me.
Who are you in the cosmic scheme of things? You are two nobodies. You have
zero credibility.

>it defines your mental illness, in fact.

Yet another example of your lies and delusions, Phillips. If you haven't
noticed, this group is nearly dead while the other audio groups have grown.
My advice to people to post about audio in those other groups has been acted
on by many people, leaving RAO a backwater.

You can continue to trash this place as long as you like, Phillips - no skin
off my nose.

Arny Krueger

July 20th 03, 04:18 AM

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Arny said:
>
>>>>>> Now as it evolves, if Phillips was smart he would have set the no
>>>>>> archve flag for this post but he didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the headers:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ath:
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>>>>>> 8.226.97!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
>>>>>> Lines: 14
>>>>>> X-Admin:
>>>>>> From: (Marc Phillips)
>>>>>> Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
>>>>>> Date: 19 Jul 2003 17:13:56 GMT
>>>>>> References: >
>>>>>> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: The system I'm assembling
>>>>>> Message-ID: >
>>>>>> Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com rec.audio.opinion:672463
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arny said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phillips, there is no proof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you never introduced the phrase "Daddy, why did you grope me
>>>>>>> in my coffin?" to the group?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's right. Please see the results of this Google retrieval:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
http://www.google.com/groups?q=%22Daddy%2C+why+did+you+grope+me+in+my+co ffin
>>>>>> %22
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just say you didn't, and you might get off scot-free!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't introduce the phrase to the group, as proven by the
>>>>>> google retrieval I just provided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leave the group, pervert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I catch your drift Phillips, you're saying that the person who
>>>>>> introduced this phrase to the group should leave, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a news flash: That person is you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I have to say is "Bon voyage"!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and BTW please take Middius and North with you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ugh. Forget it. It's disgusting to watch you try to wiggle out
>>>>> from this. My stomach is turning.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't wiggle out Phillips, I proved conclusively and beyond a
>>>> shadow of a doubt that you were the first person who introduced
>>>> this vile phrase to the newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>>> You're a scumbag, Arny.
>>>>
>>>> I am innocent and you are guility, Phillips.
>>>>
>>>>> This post of yours proves that you're proud of it.
>>>>
>>>> All proves is what a scumbag you are Phillips, and how you try to
>>>> wriggle out of taking responsibility for your own evil deeds.
>>
>>> Are you trying to tell me that the whole crux of this argument is
>>> that you said "what did it feel like to grope me in my coffin,
>>> daddy?" instead of "Daddy, why did you grope me in my coffin?"?
>>
>> Phillips, I'm sure you're getting a real rush gratuyitously [sic]
>> posting all this trash on RAO.

> In other words, that IS the crux of the argument. Congratulations on
> dragging the memory of your son through the mud once again in order
> to score imaginary debating points with a bunch of strangers.

Hurts you more than it hurts me, Phillips.

>>> Is that it, you ****ing sick ****?

>> Your desire to post and repost this stuff is really pretty sick. Why
>> don't you just stop it, eh Phillips?

> Why don't you leave?

Because it ****es you and Middius off, Phillips.

> Why don't you pry yourself away from the
> clutches of your mental illness and lead a productive life?

I do lead a productive life, Phillips. You're the one whose only apparent
hobby is diving in the sewer of your imagination.

> I had certainly chosen not to argue with you anymore, because it's not
> honorable to argue with someone, like yourself, who is mentally ill.

LOL. There's no evidence that you did that, Phillips. The evidence before us
shows a very perverted Marc Phillips who posts his fantasies about abused
children.

> But you can thank your buddy Bill Watkins for piping up and rehashing
> your same old defeats here.

Bill Watkins? Where is Bill Watkins? Show me a post by Bill Watkins in the
last 5 days.

>>> Leave the group, pervert. We don't want you here.
>>
>> You're the pervert, Phillips. But stick around, we need someone like
>> you to pity.

> There is no "we," Arny.

But that's where you are wrong, Phillips.

> Even Bill Watkins couldn't deal with your sickness any more.

Watkins wrote me privately that it was your sickness that disturbed him
most, Phillips.

> You are alone in the world.

Except I'm not. I have free run of all the audio groups in Usenet where I
have many productive conversations, and you're tied down talking dirty in
just this one backwater newsgroup, Phillips.

George M. Middius

July 20th 03, 04:41 AM

Marc Phillips said:

> >>> Leave the group, pervert. We don't want you here.
> >
> >> May we please amend that to "Leave this earthly plane, pervert"?
> >
> >This all makes no sense, either way.
> >
> >How does this work Middius. Do you get off every time you make a post saying
> >that you want me to die? Could you possibly be more pathetic and disgusting?
> >Do you get off every time Phillips takes another swim in his little pool of
> >death and sex? Could either of you possibly be more pathetic and disgusting?
> >
> >Your mistake Middius, and the mistake of Phillips is thinking that all this
> >gratuitous reveling in death and sex has no impact on your own image around
> >here.
>
> Your mistake is that your failure to leave even though you're almost
> universally reviled defines your image around here. it defines your mental
> illness, in fact.

Ain't that the truth.

Hmm..... On reconsideration, it strikes me that Krooger's little
tantrum there sounds distinctly like something a kid caught
red-handed with a dirty magazine would say. I think Mr. **** is
saying he's going to show us, and show us good. "You think you'll be
happy if I die? You think so? Well, watch this!"

What's it going to be, Arnii? An encounter with a bus speeding down
your little street? Charging into the police station with your
pistol in your hand? Or maybe the long-delayed exploration of the
bottom of Lake Superior?

Whatever you choose, I have to agree that you're right about one
thing -- we may not be as deliriously happy as we all think we'll be.

Marc Phillips

July 20th 03, 06:51 AM

Arny said:

>Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

>

>> Your mistake is that your failure to leave even though you're almost
>> universally reviled defines your image around here.
>
>Except that you are delusional, Phillips. OK, so you and Middius revile me.
>Who are you in the cosmic scheme of things? You are two nobodies. You have
>zero credibility.

That's right. We're just two strangers who live in your computer. We can't
hurt you. We can't hurt you.

>
>>it defines your mental illness, in fact.
>
>Yet another example of your lies and delusions, Phillips. If you haven't
>noticed, this group is nearly dead while the other audio groups have grown.
>My advice to people to post about audio in those other groups has been acted
>on by many people, leaving RAO a backwater.

I actively participate in three other audio groups. You're right, they're much
more pleasant than RAO. That's because you don't post there.

>
>You can continue to trash this place as long as you like, Phillips - no skin
>off my nose.

Is that because you're hopelessly addicted to the attention you get here, even
though most of it is overwhelmingly negative?

LOL!

Boon

Marc Phillips

July 20th 03, 06:58 AM

Arny said:

>Hurts you more than it hurts me,

Jesus Christ, you just don't get it. I am not going to argue point by point
with someone who is mentally ill. That is not the same thing, however, as
telling anyone who thinks you are helpful, or knowledgeable, or "hard to beat
in a debate," that you are really a child pornographer. So if you don't want
to continue existing in an environment where the majority of people think
you're a sick, disgusting pervert, you should probably leave the group.

Boon

dave weil

July 20th 03, 07:12 AM

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:03:07 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:18:16 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:01:25 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "dave weil" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:20:09 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis Selwa wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pass Labs Aleph 5
>>>>>>>> Quad ESL 57
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice speaker. Requires gobs of power, though. Super-clean
>>>>>>> preamp as well.
>>>
>>> Actually, the ESL-57 is pretty inefficient, but more significantly
>>> it can't handle gobs of power very long without being destroyed.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Kimber 4TC
>>>>>>>> Kimber PBJ
>>>
>>>>>>> Just get some big gauge wire. No need to buy into that
>>>>>>> "uber-wire" nonsense. For these speakers, 6-8 gauge would be
>>>>>>> overkill and more than twice the metal per foot than those
>>>>>>> Kimbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot
>>>>>> on speaker wire?
>>>>>
>>>>> Two typical 8 foot runs gets you to $160 for what amounts to being
>>>>> $4.00 worth of wire.
>>>>
>>>>> If I were as unethical as Weil, I'd think its a great idea that
>>>>> stupid arrogant people get ripped off for $156 early and often. If
>>>>> only I could be as unethical as Ray Kimber, and get people to send
>>>>> the money to me!
>>>>
>>>> You sir are the unethical one by claiming that others are unethical.
>>>
>>> Prove it. Without proof its a lie which is of course, unethical.
>>
>> You have claimed without proof that people are unethical. This makes
>> you unethical. It's just as valid as *your* ideas of ethics.
>>
>>>> The next thing you know, you'll be going after Rolex as an
>>>> "unethical company".
>>>
>>> Irrelevant and unfounded claim.
>>
>> Not at all. It goes right to the heart of the matter.
>>
>>> Attempt at mind reading. Unethical.
>>
>> Thank you for avoiding my "claim". Guess this proves that I'm right.
>>
>>>> What a joke!
>>>
>>> Yes you are, Weil.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>
>> Lack of imagination from Mr. Krueger noted.
>>
>>>> The sanctimonious Arnold Krueger expects *everyone* to share his
>>>> desire for mediocrity.
>>>
>>> Prove that there's some audible advantage to Kimber's $10 a foot
>>> wire over the commodity equivalent and your claim of mediocrity
>>> becomes ethical.
>>
>> Prove that *anyone* has made any technical claims about Kimber in this
>> thread, other than you. Prove that you've done the requisite
>> measurements of the said product and disclose the results of your
>> listening tests to back up your claims.
>>
>>> Otherwise Weil, its more proof that you are a liar, which is of
>>> course unethical.
>>>
>>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> Unethical.
>>
>> Hardly.
>>
>> Prove it!
>>
>> <g>
>>
>>>> Plus, I'll bet he's a bad tipper as well. After all, why leave 15
>>>> -20% when you can leave 5%?
>>>
>>> Irrelevant. Presumptuous. Unethical.
>>
>> Nope. Just speaking what seems to be the truth, based on your postings
>> here on USENET.
>
>You'll say such a thing after being proven to be a liar so many ways in just
>one post?

I'll get back to you when somebody proves me to be a liar.

>> And it's *not* irrelevant to your dismissal of things
>> that cost more than the "minimum".
>
>Where did I do that? All I did is point out that charging exhorbitant prices
>(something like 40x the minimum) for non-existent benefits is dishonest.

First of all, the benefits haven't been proven to be non-existent.
Second of all, it's not dishonest to charge a price that the
marketplace is willing to bear. Of course, you don't seem to know
anything about marketing or business for that matter.

>> Looks like I've kicked your butt yet again.
>
>No, you're just proving once again what a liar you are, Weil.

>> It's like skimming scum off of the pond...
>
>I'm willing to bow to your expertise with harvesting scum, Weil. Thanks for
>the true confession.

And thanks for the confession that you *are* pond scum.

Joseph Oberlander

July 20th 03, 07:28 AM

dave weil wrote:

> Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
> speaker wire?

Well, if it makes them feel all fuzzy... but me - I'd go for twice
the metal per foot anyday.

Joseph Oberlander

July 20th 03, 07:34 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:

> Actually, the ESL-57 is pretty inefficient, but more significantly it can't
> handle gobs of power very long without being destroyed.

Interesting. So - how do you find a low-power 1-2 ohm amp today? Most
I see are well in excess of 100wpc.

Arny Krueger

July 20th 03, 01:08 PM

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Arny said:
>
>> Marc Phillips" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>
>>> Your mistake is that your failure to leave even though you're almost
>>> universally reviled defines your image around here.
>>
>> Except that you are delusional, Phillips. OK, so you and Middius
>> revile me. Who are you in the cosmic scheme of things? You are two
>> nobodies. You have zero credibility.
>
> That's right. We're just two strangers who live in your computer.

No, my computer is quite clean - no filth like you Phillips is in it.

> We can't hurt you. We can't hurt you.

You've made me stronger, Phillips.

>>> it defines your mental illness, in fact.

>> Yet another example of your lies and delusions, Phillips. If you
>> haven't noticed, this group is nearly dead while the other audio
>> groups have grown. My advice to people to post about audio in those
>> other groups has been acted on by many people, leaving RAO a
>> backwater.

> I actively participate in three other audio groups.

Oh, those little private backwaters.

>You're right,
> they're much more pleasant than RAO. That's because you don't post
> there.

You can't handle opinions that aren't complementary to yours, can you
Phillips? Speaks to your innate weakness and lack of intelligence.

>> You can continue to trash this place as long as you like, Phillips -
>> no skin off my nose.

> Is that because you're hopelessly addicted to the attention you get
> here, even though most of it is overwhelmingly negative?

No Phillips, its because I do well here as well, and that obviously ****es
you and Middius and the rest of your clique off quite a bit.

You guys are really nuts if you think that you can scare me off by showing
your true perverse character.

Arny Krueger

July 20th 03, 01:13 PM

"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> Actually, the ESL-57 is pretty inefficient, but more significantly
>> it can't handle gobs of power very long without being destroyed.
>
> Interesting. So - how do you find a low-power 1-2 ohm amp today?

Irrelevant to my statement.

> Most I see are well in excess of 100wpc.

Irrelevant to what I said. Oberlander, you're talking about amplfier power
and how it is implemented and I'm talking about the power handling capacity
of a certain obsolete speaker.

dave weil

July 20th 03, 02:56 PM

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:28:20 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>
>> Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
>> speaker wire?
>
>Well, if it makes them feel all fuzzy... but me - I'd go for twice
>the metal per foot anyday.

And that's fine. Buy that ugly old Home Depot wire.

<g>

dave weil

July 20th 03, 02:57 PM

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:34:44 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> wrote:

>Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> Actually, the ESL-57 is pretty inefficient, but more significantly it can't
>> handle gobs of power very long without being destroyed.
>
>Interesting. So - how do you find a low-power 1-2 ohm amp today? Most
>I see are well in excess of 100wpc.

You don't need the parameters that you are talking about. I think that
you are confusing the Quad with Martin-Logan.

Sockpuppet Yustabe

July 20th 03, 05:35 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> Any reasonable person can
> see that you are quite sick and perverted.
>

You are incompetent to comment upon what a reasonable person
might think.

> > That is not the same
> > thing, however, as telling anyone who thinks you are helpful, or
> > knowledgeable, or "hard to beat in a debate," that you are really a
> > child pornographer.
>
> You're delusional, Phillips. Are you a child pornographer?

So, you are still lookiing for someone to swap pictures with.

> Were you the
> victim of a child pornographer?

Was he one of your early victims?

> Why are you so obsessed with child
> pornography?
>
Google results mentioning "child pornography"

Krueger - 1,170
Boon - 385

You win again, Arny.

Sockpuppet Yustabe

July 20th 03, 05:38 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> > I actively participate in three other audio groups.
>
> Oh, those little private backwaters.

This is the big leagues!!!!

This is what its all about!!!

Sockpuppet Yustabe

July 20th 03, 05:40 PM

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Ain't that the truth.
>
> Hmm..... On reconsideration, it strikes me that Krooger's little
> tantrum there sounds distinctly like something a kid caught
> red-handed with a dirty magazine would say. I think Mr. **** is
> saying he's going to show us, and show us good. "You think you'll be
> happy if I die? You think so? Well, watch this!"
>
> What's it going to be, Arnii? An encounter with a bus speeding down
> your little street? Charging into the police station with your
> pistol in your hand? Or maybe the long-delayed exploration of the
> bottom of Lake Superior?
>
>

I vote for his being squeezed to death by a bear.

Arny Krueger

July 20th 03, 06:37 PM

"dave weil" > wrote in message

> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:28:20 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> > wrote:
>
>> dave weil wrote:

>>> Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
>>> speaker wire?
>
>> Well, if it makes them feel all fuzzy... but me - I'd go for twice
>> the metal per foot anyday.

> And that's fine. Buy that ugly old Home Depot wire.

Beauty contests for speaker wire, anybody? Sure sign of being in a despirate
need of a life, I'd say!

LOL!

dave weil

July 20th 03, 07:18 PM

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:37:54 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:28:20 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> dave weil wrote:
>
>>>> Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
>>>> speaker wire?
>>
>>> Well, if it makes them feel all fuzzy... but me - I'd go for twice
>>> the metal per foot anyday.
>
>> And that's fine. Buy that ugly old Home Depot wire.
>
>Beauty contests for speaker wire, anybody? Sure sign of being in a despirate
>need of a life, I'd say!

No, sure sign of a realization that appearance is part of any buying
desicion.

BTW, I don't think I've ever been "despirate" in my life. You've been
watching too many Johnny Depp movies.

PS, I guess you're too arrogant or lazy to use your spell checker, eh,
Mr. Krueger?

LOL!

L(oTS)!

Margaret von Busenhalter

July 20th 03, 07:53 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

> Sure sign of being in a despirate
> need of a life, I'd say!
>
> LOL!
>

Not nearly as much as "Nate".

LOL!

MvB

Margaret von Busenhalter

July 20th 03, 07:56 PM

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Any reasonable person can
> > see that you are quite sick and perverted.
> >
>
> You are incompetent to comment upon what a reasonable person
> might think.
>
>
> > > That is not the same
> > > thing, however, as telling anyone who thinks you are helpful, or
> > > knowledgeable, or "hard to beat in a debate," that you are really a
> > > child pornographer.
> >
> > You're delusional, Phillips. Are you a child pornographer?
>
> So, you are still lookiing for someone to swap pictures with.
>
> > Were you the
> > victim of a child pornographer?
>
> Was he one of your early victims?
>
>
>
> > Why are you so obsessed with child
> > pornography?
> >
> Google results mentioning "child pornography"
>
> Krueger - 1,170
> Boon - 385
>
> You win again, Arny.
>
>

That's why Arny rightfully claims to have a "life".

MvB

Joseph Oberlander

July 20th 03, 08:40 PM

dave weil wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:28:20 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
> > wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Why does it bother you that someone would <gasp> spend $10 a foot on
>>>speaker wire?
>>
>>Well, if it makes them feel all fuzzy... but me - I'd go for twice
>>the metal per foot anyday.
>
>
> And that's fine. Buy that ugly old Home Depot wire.

It does come in 12 colors ;)

Joseph Oberlander

July 20th 03, 08:44 PM

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

> Google results mentioning "child pornography"
>
> Krueger - 1,170
> Boon - 385

Of course, Google is unable to go through each one and determine
if it was a response or original statement.

We all know Arny has a thing for responding to EVERY last post
about him, so it's not surprizing. Someone mentions it once
like you just did now, and it gets into the next 50 posts in
the flamewar, buried layers deep in in old quotes.

Google? Braindead. Has no option to check only the non-quoted
areas of posts.

So, as usualy - your data is too flawed to be useable.

Arny Krueger

July 20th 03, 09:03 PM

"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message

> Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

>> Google results mentioning "child pornography"

>> Krueger - 1,170
>> Boon - 385

> Of course, Google is unable to go through each one and determine
> if it was a response or original statement.

Not only that, it ignores the fact that Phillips has associates and
sockpuppets who stage attacks that essentially duplicate his. On occasion
there's three or more different IDs attacking me at the same time. If I
respond to one of them, the other two or three ride free as far as these
kinds of statistics go.

> We all know Arny has a thing for responding to EVERY last post
> about him, so it's not surprising.

Not true.

> Someone mentions it once
> like you just did now, and it gets into the next 50 posts in
> the flamewar, buried layers deep in in old quotes.

You're ignoring the fact that Phillips is like most thugs. He works in a
group. Yesterday Middius was doubling his posts, today its Mr. Titsacks and
Sockpuppet Yustabe.

Also, Phillips is an admitted sockpuppet master. He has the option of
working under multiple names. I don't do sockpuppets.

> Google? Braindead. Has no option to check only the non-quoted
> areas of posts.

True.

> So, as usually - your data is too flawed to be useable.

Consider the source...

George M. Middius

July 20th 03, 09:07 PM

Joseph Oberlander said:

> > Google results mentioning "child pornography"
> >
> > Krueger - 1,170
> > Boon - 385
>
> Of course, Google is unable to go through each one and determine
> if it was a response or original statement.

Back to defending Krooger at any cost, are you?

I did the same search on Google and I got a different score. Krooger
still wins, of course, but the magnitude was much lower:

Krooger: 198
Phillips: 97

I don't think that particular phrase is anything like a comprehensive
test for who's smuttier. We all know who started this mess:

> We all know Arny has a thing for responding to EVERY last post
> about him, so it's not surprizing. Someone mentions it once
> like you just did now, and it gets into the next 50 posts in
> the flamewar, buried layers deep in in old quotes.

Do your own search then.

> Google? Braindead. Has no option to check only the non-quoted
> areas of posts.

Then explain my results.

BTW, you still have yet to answer my question about who is killing
Americans in Iraq. Since you declared Saddam's armed forces to be
nonexistent, perhaps you theorize they're being offed by crooked old
women weaving black magic spells?

> So, as usualy - your data is too flawed to be useable.

Dorkily said. As usual.

Margaret von Busenhalter

July 20th 03, 09:17 PM

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Joseph Oberlander said:
>
> > > Google results mentioning "child pornography"
> > >
> > > Krueger - 1,170
> > > Boon - 385
> >
> > Of course, Google is unable to go through each one and determine
> > if it was a response or original statement.
>
> Back to defending Krooger at any cost, are you?
>
> I did the same search on Google and I got a different score. Krooger
> still wins, of course, but the magnitude was much lower:
>
> Krooger: 198
> Phillips: 97
>
> I don't think that particular phrase is anything like a comprehensive
> test for who's smuttier. We all know who started this mess:
>
>
>

That single post truly defines Krueger.

Cheers,

MvB

Marc Phillips

July 21st 03, 02:25 AM

Arny said:

>"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

>> Arny said:
>>
>>> don't know who told you that you would be able to get on
>>> RAO,
>>
>> He just keeps going, and going, and going...
>
>When are you going to stop polluting this place with your perversions,
>Phillips?

They're your perversions, Mr. IKYABWAI.

Boon

George M. Middius

July 21st 03, 03:14 AM

Marc Phillips said to ****-for-Brains:

> They're your perversions, Mr. IKYABWAI.

Maybe Arnii opted to take the "castration drug" rather than do time
in jail.

Marc Phillips

July 21st 03, 03:53 AM

Mr. Middius said:

>Marc Phillips said to ****-for-Brains:
>
>> They're your perversions, Mr. IKYABWAI.
>
>Maybe Arnii opted to take the "castration drug" rather than do time
>in jail.

Yeah, I'd be lashing out at the world around me, too.

Boon

Arny Krueger

July 21st 03, 10:16 AM

"Marc Phillips" > wrote in message

> Mr. Middius said:

>> Marc Phillips said to ****-for-Brains:

>>> They're your perversions, Mr. IKYABWAI.

>> Maybe Arnii opted to take the "castration drug" rather than do time
>> in jail.

> Yeah, I'd be lashing out at the world around me, too.

<Aside to the rest of the group.>

What kind of naive children, who have been trying to force me off of RAO for
6 years, would think that an obvious petty lie like this would make me
suddenly leave?

IMO even mental midgets like Phillips and Middius aren't that naive. No,
while their pretext is to post lies like these to force me off the group,
the real truth is that they get a really big thrill from writing this stuff.
In fact, its one of the biggest thrills they get.

Joseph Oberlander

July 21st 03, 12:18 PM

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Joseph Oberlander said:
>
>
>>>Google results mentioning "child pornography"
>>>
>>>Krueger - 1,170
>>>Boon - 385
>>
>>Of course, Google is unable to go through each one and determine
>>if it was a response or original statement.
>
>
> Back to defending Krooger at any cost, are you?

No. Most definately not.

OTOH, your misunderstanding of statistics is too apalling to not
believe that you really do know that it is flawed and it's done
on purpose.

> I did the same search on Google and I got a different score. Krooger
> still wins, of course, but the magnitude was much lower:
>
> Krooger: 198
> Phillips: 97

Means nothing without knowing who initiated the phrase in
each and every email.

> BTW, you still have yet to answer my question about who is killing
> Americans in Iraq. Since you declared Saddam's armed forces to be
> nonexistent, perhaps you theorize they're being offed by crooked old
> women weaving black magic spells?

No, patriotic Iraqis who want to control their own destiny since
we seem to be doing nothing but running the place like a bannana
republic.

Fact: No democracy can survive in Iraq as long as the people
still believe in Islam. Why? Because there is no concept of
the seperation of religion and state in it. That's right - as
long as they believe their religion, they will always reject
our version of government.

Our oh-so-bright leaders scratch their heads and wonder why
they aren't welcoming us like the French did in WWII - all
the while failing to see this simple fact because it means
that their efforts are going to fail. Tell a general that
their plan is a failure and watch them re-double their efforts.

So...

THe answer is - they hate us being there. If you belive the
government line about them ALL being Sadam loyalists, you're
horribly naive. Hussein only stayed in power through force
and intimidation. Now that that is gone, he has no powerbase
and all of his old opponents are free to go after him if
he tries sometihng.

It's really tons of common citizens getting more and more
frustrated at us. Listen to their tribal leaders - they
are doing all that they can to *hold back* their people
from turning it into a major civil war.

Of course, anti-U.S. messages don't make it into the U.S.
and U.K. press, so you'll have to go to other media sources
to hear these leaders seaking. Most want war, and a few
of the more influential ones are holding them back.

The problem is - every week or two, one more goes to the
"kick the bums out and rule our own destiny" camp.

Arny Krueger

July 21st 03, 12:39 PM

"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message

>> BTW, you still have yet to answer my question about who is killing
>> Americans in Iraq. Since you declared Saddam's armed forces to be
>> nonexistent, perhaps you theorize they're being offed by crooked old
>> women weaving black magic spells?

> No, patriotic Iraqis who want to control their own destiny since
> we seem to be doing nothing but running the place like a bannana
> republic.

Wrong again. The real problem is that we're not running the place.

> Fact: No democracy can survive in Iraq as long as the people
> still believe in Islam. Why? Because there is no concept of
> the separation of religion and state in it. That's right - as
> long as they believe their religion, they will always reject
> our version of government.

....yet another naive child who thinks that we have democracy in the US, or
that we want to set up a democracy anyplace else.

> Our oh-so-bright leaders scratch their heads and wonder why
> they aren't welcoming us like the French did in WWII - all
> the while failing to see this simple fact because it means
> that their efforts are going to fail. Tell a general that
> their plan is a failure and watch them re-double their efforts.

There's a big difference between living in an absolute dictatorship for 3
years and 30 years...

> The answer is - they hate us being there.

The feeling is mutual - we hate being there, too.

>If you believe the
> government line about them ALL being Sadam loyalists, you're
> horribly naive.

There is no such government line, except perhaps in some poorly-informed
persons little head.

> Hussein only stayed in power through force
> and intimidation. Now that that is gone, he has no powerbase
> and all of his old opponents are free to go after him if
> he tries sometihng.

Let's call that the Yugoslavia effect. Only Tito was a softie, a really nice
guy compared to Hussein.

> It's really tons of common citizens getting more and more
> frustrated at us. Listen to their tribal leaders - they
> are doing all that they can to *hold back* their people
> from turning it into a major civil war.

You got one thing right - the tribal leaders want to *hold back* the people
in their tribes. They also want to take credit for just about anything that
is perceived positively so they can build up their images as great leaders
and powers that need to be reckoned with.

> Of course, anti-U.S. messages don't make it into the U.S.
> and U.K. press, so you'll have to go to other media sources
> to hear these leaders seaking. Most want war, and a few
> of the more influential ones are holding them back.

Seems like they've had a lot of aversion therapy lately, that should have
taught them that was is a bad thing. If they want war and electric power
that works, you'd think by now that they would have learned that the two are
mutually incompatible.

> The problem is - every week or two, one more goes to the
> "kick the bums out and rule our own destiny" camp.

In English, please?

Joseph Oberlander

July 22nd 03, 05:41 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:

>>The problem is - every week or two, one more goes to the
>>"kick the bums out and rule our own destiny" camp.
>

I heard a live interview of a meeting with the 50 top tribal
leaders in Iraq and the U.S. officials. The U.S. officials were
blatantly harping the "give us two months - then come back
and it'll all be better - trust us" line and the entire audience
was not buying it since they had been told the exact same words
two months earlier.

It dissolved into chaos and yelling. Angst-fest.

Afterwards, the leader of the largest tribe in IRaq(50 *million*
people!) said - quote: "I love the Bush and the U.S. and want them
to succeed here, but my people want to go to war. I'm trying to
hold them back, but I can only do it for so long. Two months and
I'll join the others(referencing the other tribal leaders) and
go to war."

These were the same leaders that even Hussein was scared enough
of to talk to and keep happy. When it is only a dozen or so
out of the largest 50 tribal leaders that are keeping the entire
Iraqi population from erupting in a religous war against the U.S.
forces, that's worth noting, IMO.

Yes - 80% of the Iraqi leaders are willing to go to war aginst
us right now. The other 20% are telling them "wait a few months
and if nothing happens by then, we'll join you"

We come up with assinine explainations over here in our press, but
the reality is they are ****ed off at us jerking them off instead
of trying to let them fix things themselves(and us jsut police and keep
the peace, U.N. style) and make their own peaceful nation.

They are very proud as well. And they are about to boil over into
open civil war against us. "Sadam loyalists" my ass. We'd lie
a thousand times to make it appear that it was anything but an
open resistance towards our occupation.

We did exactly that in Vietnam, afterall - all glowy and pro-U.S.
for the first 5-6 years. Nothing bad except for "communists"
doing sneak attacks and such on us.

Our leaders just don't want the truth coming out - that we
invaded another nation unprovoked and are occupying it against
the will of the general population.
Proof? Here's a nice tidbit:

(made the papers today)

****
U.S.: Iraq War Preparations Began in 2002 With Air Strikes
For the first time, a top U.S. official has admitted that the U.S. deliberately
stepped up aid raids over Iraq last year to prepare for this year’s invasion.
Publicly the U.S. had claimed its pilots were simply enforcing the No-Fly Zones
but officials now admit the strikes targeted Iraq’s fiber-optic military
communications system as well as the military’s key command centers.

The secret plan codenamed Operation Southern Focus was launched last summer -
before President Bush even took his case against Iraq to the United Nations.

Lt. Gen. Michael Moseley told The New York Times that U.S. forces dropped some
600 precision guided bombs on about 400 targets in the months leading up to the
actual invasion of Iraq.

But the report further strengthens the assertion the U.S. war on Iraq did not
begin in March but quietly during the summer of 2002.
***

This was before we talked to the U.N. We started prepping for the war
months before we started trying to justify(lie about) it.

George M. Middius

July 22nd 03, 05:47 AM

Der Unterdork said:

> Afterwards, the leader of the largest tribe in IRaq(50 *million*
> people!)

You retard! You advance the frontier of your own stupidity with
your every post about current affairs.

Joseph Oberlander

July 22nd 03, 06:32 AM

George M. Middius wrote:
>
> Der Unterdork said:
>
>
>>Afterwards, the leader of the largest tribe in IRaq(50 *million*
>>people!)
>
>
> You retard! You advance the frontier of your own stupidity with
> your every post about current affairs.

Typo. 5 million people.

No, he is for real. He is considered their spiritual leader for
that sect - the largest in Iraq. They will not declare a holy
war without his approval. He loves Bush and the U.S., but his
patience is wearing thin. He and a handful of leaders are
all that is holding back a full-scale religous war declaration
by the other leaders.

His own words - taped interview - "I'll wait two more months
then side with the others". That was two weeks ago. Once he
goes, the others will fall in fast - within a week or two.

Then it's FUBAR time.

S888Wheel

July 22nd 03, 06:57 AM

<<
No, he is for real. He is considered their spiritual leader for
that sect - the largest in Iraq. They will not declare a holy
war without his approval. He loves Bush and the U.S., but his
patience is wearing thin. He and a handful of leaders are
all that is holding back a full-scale religous war declaration
by the other leaders.

His own words - taped interview - "I'll wait two more months
then side with the others". That was two weeks ago. Once he
goes, the others will fall in fast - within a week or two.

Then it's FUBAR time.

>>

So we depose a secular asshole and we get a religious zealot in his place.
Isn't that special. good thing we are out there killing Arabs for the greater
stability of the world. Not

Arny Krueger

July 22nd 03, 12:03 PM

"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>>> The problem is - every week or two, one more goes to the
>>> "kick the bums out and rule our own destiny" camp.

This is yet another RAO forgery.

The words in question were written not written by me. They were written by
"Joseph Oberlander" > in message

If Oberlander wants to argue with himself, so be it.

But he should have the common decency to leave me out of it.

Joseph Oberlander

July 23rd 03, 07:57 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>>Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>The problem is - every week or two, one more goes to the
>>>>"kick the bums out and rule our own destiny" camp.
>
> This is yet another RAO forgery.

? You made no sense here. I think one of us just missed counting
how many times we'd gone back and forth. That obviously was me
speaking there, reguardless of what the crap up in the header said.

Todd Krieger

July 23rd 03, 08:12 AM

In article >, (Arny
Krueger) wrote...
>
>"Dennis Selwa" > wrote in message
om
>> Hello,
>> I'm putting together a little bit at a time, my hi fi system. I would
>> like to hear from any one on the soundness of my choices, and if I'm
>> heading in the right direction.
>> OK here goes:
>> VPI scout,Dynavector 10x
>> Acoustech PH-1 (set for max gain so I wont use a line preamp -Just a
>> pot)
>> Pass Labs Aleph 5
>> Quad ESL 57
>> Kimber 4TC
>> Kimber PBJ
>> Some other options I have been considering are: AES PH-1, AES AE-3,
>> AES Sixpacs- Other components the same.
>> Now-- What kind of sound will I expect from this little system?
>
>Very suboptimal sound quality given that it is based on vinyl playback.
>
Hee-hee-hee-hee!!

I *love* suboptimal sound quality!! [-;

>>Will the tube system have more depth?
>
>It will probably make more heat.
>
Tubes sound warmer too... ;-0

>> I've been using tubes exclusivly for a long time and wonder whats
>> going to happen when I go to the Acoustech/Aleph 5 combination?
>
>You will be spinning your wheels, but that's the whole point, right?
>
Maybe you should listen to others' systems... You might just learn
something...

Just dropping by to say 'Hi'...

Don't feud with Middius too much. He's a sensitive guy, you know... [;

Todd Krieger