black vs. gray plates

[David Axt]

Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?

Thanks,
David

[[email protected] (>>sPoNiX]

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:14:30 -0700, "David Axt" >
wrote:

>Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?

Yes.

[[email protected] (>>sPoNiX]

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:08:57 +0100, "Mikkel C. Simonsen"
> wrote:

>David Axt wrote:
>>
>> Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>
>Don't worry about the plate colour - it doesn't matter. A black plate
>RCA 6L6GC may be better than a grey plate RCA 6L6GC, but that's just one
>specific tube. You can't make any general rules based on plate colour...

The theory goes that the black plates absorb heat better than the grey
ones!

This means the cathode heats up quicker and runs slightly hotter,
emitting more electrons.

(There is numerous info on the web as to why black plates are
preferable to grey ones.)

I'd admit the effect is very small but noticeable nonetheless.

sPoNiX

[Choky]

nope.

--
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU


"David Axt" > wrote in message
...
> Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>

[Mikkel C. Simonsen]

David Axt wrote:
>
> Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?

Don't worry about the plate colour - it doesn't matter. A black plate
RCA 6L6GC may be better than a grey plate RCA 6L6GC, but that's just one
specific tube. You can't make any general rules based on plate colour...

Best regards,

Mikkel C. Simonsen

[·à¤l¤f]

Electrons hitting on a plate lose some of their kinetic energy, which
is changed to heat energy, causing the plate temperature rises.
More electrons will bounce back on a hot plate than on a cool one,
and the loose electrons generate a certain amount of noises,
but noises is not necessary bad, in fact a suitable amount of pink noise
gives a warm pleasant tone. I have met an old man placed a digital clock
beside his amp so as to get the right pink noise.
Black color helps heat radiation, so a black plate is normally cooler.
If one thinks that quiet clean music is better, then black plate is better
for him.
Any comments?

"Mikkel C. Simonsen" > ¦b¶l¥ó
¤¤¼¶¼g...
> David Axt wrote:
> >
> > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>
> Don't worry about the plate colour - it doesn't matter. A black plate
> RCA 6L6GC may be better than a grey plate RCA 6L6GC, but that's just one
> specific tube. You can't make any general rules based on plate colour...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mikkel C. Simonsen


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[Fred Nachbaur]

David Axt wrote:
> Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>
> Thanks,
> David

Better for what? I could probably be argued that they're better for heat
dissipation, but even that would probably be very minor.

Some people can claim to hear a difference, but I wonder how much this
hearing acuity would be reduced if they couldn't see which colour plate
was in there at any given listening session.

Cheers,
Fred

[[email protected] (>>sPoNiX]

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:56:02 +0800, "·à¤l¤f"
> wrote:

>Black color helps heat radiation, so a black plate is normally cooler.

But a black plate will Absorb heat from the heater better, therefore
getting hotter!

sPoNiX

[Patrick Turner]

">>sPoNiX<<" wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:56:02 +0800, "·à¤l¤f"
> > wrote:
>
> >Black color helps heat radiation, so a black plate is normally cooler.
>
> But a black plate will Absorb heat from the heater better, therefore
> getting hotter!
>
> sPoNiX

Maybe it absorbs electrons better to, so that's why its black.

What sayest ye tube makers of olde,
Dost a dark and shadowy plate,
give reason for great comfort,
to eirie things that speed across such tiny realms,
unsure of their home coming, or their fate??

Shakespeare, 1502.

[Chuck Harris]

Since the tube's elements are contained in a vacuum, the only
way for heat to be transferred is radiation. So, for your
conjecture to work, the plate would have to be an excellent
reflector, like a mirror, not an excellent absorber.

-Chuck

>>sPoNiX<< wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:08:57 +0100, "Mikkel C. Simonsen"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>David Axt wrote:
>>
>>>Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>>
>>Don't worry about the plate colour - it doesn't matter. A black plate
>>RCA 6L6GC may be better than a grey plate RCA 6L6GC, but that's just one
>>specific tube. You can't make any general rules based on plate colour...
>
>
> The theory goes that the black plates absorb heat better than the grey
> ones!
>
> This means the cathode heats up quicker and runs slightly hotter,
> emitting more electrons.
>
> (There is numerous info on the web as to why black plates are
> preferable to grey ones.)
>
> I'd admit the effect is very small but noticeable nonetheless.
>
> sPoNiX

[Mike Gilmour]

"Patrick Turner" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> ">>sPoNiX<<" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:56:02 +0800, "·à¤l¤f"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Black color helps heat radiation, so a black plate is normally cooler.
> >
> > But a black plate will Absorb heat from the heater better, therefore
> > getting hotter!
> >
> > sPoNiX
>
> Maybe it absorbs electrons better to, so that's why its black.
>
> What sayest ye tube makers of olde,
> Dost a dark and shadowy plate,
> give reason for great comfort,
> to eirie things that speed across such tiny realms,
> unsure of their home coming, or their fate??
>
> Shakespeare, 1502.
>
>

'Is this a plate I see before me, come let me clutch thee'.....OUCH!!

Shakespeare at 1503 (in the afternoon)

[Shiva]

"Choky" > wrote in message
...
> nope.
>

Yes, Yes!!! <beginning a great debate>

> --
> Choky
> Prodanovic Aleksandar
> YU
>
>
> "David Axt" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
> >
>
>

[Shiva]

"Chuck Harris" > wrote in message
...
> Since the tube's elements are contained in a vacuum, the only
> way for heat to be transferred is radiation. So, for your
> conjecture to work, the plate would have to be an excellent
> reflector, like a mirror, not an excellent absorber.
>
> -Chuck

Hiya, Chuck.
the weird thing is, black also radiates heat better, and, taking high freq.
light & absorbing it (the fil *glow* along with radiant heat), it reimitts
it at lower freq's, thus providing *more* radiant heat. Now, the theory's
still goofy - i'm sure posts I haven't got to yet explain why.
-dim

>
> >>sPoNiX<< wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:08:57 +0100, "Mikkel C. Simonsen"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>David Axt wrote:
> >>
> >>>Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >>
> >>Don't worry about the plate colour - it doesn't matter. A black plate
> >>RCA 6L6GC may be better than a grey plate RCA 6L6GC, but that's just one
> >>specific tube. You can't make any general rules based on plate colour...
> >
> >
> > The theory goes that the black plates absorb heat better than the grey
> > ones!
> >
> > This means the cathode heats up quicker and runs slightly hotter,
> > emitting more electrons.
> >
> > (There is numerous info on the web as to why black plates are
> > preferable to grey ones.)
> >
> > I'd admit the effect is very small but noticeable nonetheless.
> >
> > sPoNiX
>

[Shiva]

"Patrick Turner" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> ">>sPoNiX<<" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:56:02 +0800, "·à¤l¤f"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Black color helps heat radiation, so a black plate is normally cooler.
> >
> > But a black plate will Absorb heat from the heater better, therefore
> > getting hotter!
> >
> > sPoNiX
>
> Maybe it absorbs electrons better to, so that's why its black.
>
> What sayest ye tube makers of olde,
> Dost a dark and shadowy plate,
> give reason for great comfort,
> to eirie things that speed across such tiny realms,
> unsure of their home coming, or their fate??
>
> Shakespeare, 1502.
>

Bwah! love that.

[Shiva]

"Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> David Axt wrote:
> > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
>
> Better for what? I could probably be argued that they're better for heat
> dissipation, but even that would probably be very minor.
>
> Some people can claim to hear a difference, but I wonder how much this
> hearing acuity would be reduced if they couldn't see which colour plate
> was in there at any given listening session.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred
>

All Plates are gray at night...

Patrick, Shakespeare could not have written this in 1502. Perhaps 1602?

"Patrick Turner" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> ">>sPoNiX<<" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:56:02 +0800, "·à¤l¤f"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Black color helps heat radiation, so a black plate is normally cooler.
> >
> > But a black plate will Absorb heat from the heater better, therefore
> > getting hotter!
> >
> > sPoNiX
>
> Maybe it absorbs electrons better to, so that's why its black.
>
> What sayest ye tube makers of olde,
> Dost a dark and shadowy plate,
> give reason for great comfort,
> to eirie things that speed across such tiny realms,
> unsure of their home coming, or their fate??
>
> Shakespeare, 1502.
>
>

[Gregg]

Behold, Shiva scribbled:


> ">>sPoNiX<<" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:14:30 -0700, "David Axt" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> They're so ... *BLACK*. If you listen to mainly black preformers, go
> with the black plates. If you wwish to be open to any kind of musick,
> then gray plates are the way to go. If you listen primarily to white
> music, then the silver plates are the one to get.

LOL! Amusingly put fellow honky ;-)

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*

[Choky]

yope.
(continuing the great debate!)

--
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU



"Shiva" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Choky" > wrote in message
> ...
> > nope.
> >
>
> Yes, Yes!!! <beginning a great debate>
>
> > --
> > Choky
> > Prodanovic Aleksandar
> > YU
> >
> >
> > "David Axt" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Gregg]

Behold, Shiva scribbled:


> "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> David Axt wrote:
>> > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > David
>>
>> Better for what? I could probably be argued that they're better for
>> heat dissipation, but even that would probably be very minor.
>>
>> Some people can claim to hear a difference, but I wonder how much this
>> hearing acuity would be reduced if they couldn't see which colour plate
>> was in there at any given listening session.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Fred
>>
>>
> All Plates are gray at night...

The black plates tend to make a stronger warp-field for my spaceship.

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*

[Choky]

"·à¤l¤f" > wrote in message
...
> Electrons hitting on a plate lose some of their kinetic energy, which
> is changed to heat energy, causing the plate temperature rises.
> More electrons will bounce back on a hot plate than on a cool one,
> and the loose electrons generate a certain amount of noises,
> but noises is not necessary bad, in fact a suitable amount of pink noise
> gives a warm pleasant tone. I have met an old man placed a digital clock
> beside his amp so as to get the right pink noise.
> Black color helps heat radiation, so a black plate is normally cooler.
> If one thinks that quiet clean music is better, then black plate is better
> for him.
> Any comments?

mumbo jumbo.

--
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU

[David Axt]

I'm not even going to ask about brown bases vs. black bases!!!!

DA


"Shiva" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > David Axt wrote:
> > > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > David
> >
> > Better for what? I could probably be argued that they're better for heat
> > dissipation, but even that would probably be very minor.
> >
> > Some people can claim to hear a difference, but I wonder how much this
> > hearing acuity would be reduced if they couldn't see which colour plate
> > was in there at any given listening session.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Fred
> >
>
> All Plates are gray at night...
>
>

[Shiva]

"Gregg" > wrote in message
...
> Behold, Shiva scribbled:
>
>
> > ">>sPoNiX<<" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:14:30 -0700, "David Axt" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >
> > They're so ... *BLACK*. If you listen to mainly black preformers, go
> > with the black plates. If you wwish to be open to any kind of musick,
> > then gray plates are the way to go. If you listen primarily to white
> > music, then the silver plates are the one to get.
>
> LOL! Amusingly put fellow honky ;-)
>

That's CRACKER to you!

> --
> Gregg
> *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*

[Shiva]

"David Axt" > wrote in message
...
> I listen to Tower of Power, they have both negro and honky musicians. Now
> what do I do? ;-)
>
> DA
>

Oh, come on, use some deductive reasoning - GRAY plates, of course!
-dim (colorblind & tonedef)

>
> "Shiva" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > ">>sPoNiX<<" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:14:30 -0700, "David Axt" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > They're so ... *BLACK*. If you listen to mainly black preformers, go
with
> > the black plates. If you wwish to be open to any kind of musick, then
> gray
> > plates are the way to go. If you listen primarily to white music, then
> the
> > silver plates are the one to get.
> >
> >
>
>

[Shiva]

"Choky" > wrote in message
...
> yope.
> (continuing the great debate!)
>
> --
> Choky
> Prodanovic Aleksandar
> YU
>

I take it as a mixture of "yes" and "nope"? Now you take that back <getting
*furious*
>
>
>
> "Shiva" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Choky" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > nope.
> > >
> >
> > Yes, Yes!!! <beginning a great debate>
> >
> > > --
> > > Choky
> > > Prodanovic Aleksandar
> > > YU
> > >
> > >
> > > "David Axt" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Shiva]

"Chuck Harris" > wrote in message
...
> Ah! But he said that black plates absorb heat better, and
> thus make the cathode hotter. My feable mind is struggling
> overtime with the logic of that statement.
>
> -Chuck
>
> OBTW, I think that black plates give the music darker overtones,
> where as grey plates give the music a much more balanced
> and neutral sound.. a balance of yin and yang, black and white.
>
> However, it all shifts if the lights are out. Then the music
> gets a more somber and and less detailed look.. I mean sound.
>

That's the photons hitting the black plate. A very distinctive sound,
though some some people confuse it with the sound of mezons decaying...
That's why it's really important to seal off all your windows with tinfoil,
and wear a tinfoil hat on your head <goes back into his Orgon Chamber>

>
> Shiva wrote:
> > "Chuck Harris" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Since the tube's elements are contained in a vacuum, the only
> >>way for heat to be transferred is radiation. So, for your
> >>conjecture to work, the plate would have to be an excellent
> >>reflector, like a mirror, not an excellent absorber.
> >>
> >>-Chuck
> >
> >
> > Hiya, Chuck.
> > the weird thing is, black also radiates heat better, and, taking high
freq.
> > light & absorbing it (the fil *glow* along with radiant heat), it
reimitts
> > it at lower freq's, thus providing *more* radiant heat. Now, the
theory's
> > still goofy - i'm sure posts I haven't got to yet explain why.
> > -dim
> >
> >
> >> >>sPoNiX<< wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:08:57 +0100, "Mikkel C. Simonsen"
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>David Axt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >>>>
> >>>>Don't worry about the plate colour - it doesn't matter. A black plate
> >>>>RCA 6L6GC may be better than a grey plate RCA 6L6GC, but that's just
one
> >>>>specific tube. You can't make any general rules based on plate
colour...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The theory goes that the black plates absorb heat better than the grey
> >>>ones!
> >>>
> >>>This means the cathode heats up quicker and runs slightly hotter,
> >>>emitting more electrons.
> >>>
> >>>(There is numerous info on the web as to why black plates are
> >>>preferable to grey ones.)
> >>>
> >>>I'd admit the effect is very small but noticeable nonetheless.
> >>>
> >>>sPoNiX
> >>
> >
> >
>

[Shiva]

"Gregg" > wrote in message
...
> Behold, Shiva scribbled:
>
>
> > "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> David Axt wrote:
> >> > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > David
> >>
> >> Better for what? I could probably be argued that they're better for
> >> heat dissipation, but even that would probably be very minor.
> >>
> >> Some people can claim to hear a difference, but I wonder how much this
> >> hearing acuity would be reduced if they couldn't see which colour plate
> >> was in there at any given listening session.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Fred
> >>
> >>
> > All Plates are gray at night...
>
> The black plates tend to make a stronger warp-field for my spaceship.
>
> --
> Gregg
> *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*

[Shiva]

"Gregg" > wrote in message
...
> Behold, Shiva scribbled:
>
>
> > "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> David Axt wrote:
> >> > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > David
> >>
> >> Better for what? I could probably be argued that they're better for
> >> heat dissipation, but even that would probably be very minor.
> >>
> >> Some people can claim to hear a difference, but I wonder how much this
> >> hearing acuity would be reduced if they couldn't see which colour plate
> >> was in there at any given listening session.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Fred
> >>
> >>
> > All Plates are gray at night...
>
> The black plates tend to make a stronger warp-field for my spaceship.
>

I belive the correct term is "warpier" warp field.

> --
> Gregg
> *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*

[Rich Sherman]

Black plate tubes and Grey plate tubes sound 'different' whether better of
worse depends on the particular application and personal taste of the
listener..

"David Axt" > wrote in message
...
> Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>

[Choky]

my tubes are bigger and blacker than yours!

--
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU


"Shiva" > wrote in message
...
>
> I take it as a mixture of "yes" and "nope"? Now you take that back
<getting
> *furious*
> >
> >
> >

[·à¤l¤f]

A heater is surrounded by a plate.
When the inside face of a plate could not absorb
heat efficiently (and so could not radiates
outside efficiently), the temperature inside
rises. To the worst case, it becomes red-hot.
For a extream high plate current,
a gray plate becomes red-hot earlier than a
graphite coated plate.

">>sPoNiX<<" > ¦b¶l¥ó
¤¤¼¶¼g...
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:56:02 +0800, "·à¤l¤f"
> > wrote:
>
> >Black color helps heat radiation, so a black plate is normally cooler.
>
> But a black plate will Absorb heat from the heater better, therefore
> getting hotter!
>
> sPoNiX


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[·à¤l¤f]

a huge transformer vs a tinny one
a tube vs a transistor :)

"Choky" > ¦b¶l¥ó ¤¤¼¶
¼g...
>
> mumbo jumbo.
>
> --
> Choky
> Prodanovic Aleksandar
> YU
>
>
>


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[Tim Williams]

"David Axt" > wrote in message
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> I'm not even going to ask about brown bases vs. black bases!!!!

They suck! Get ceramic! ;-)

Tim (*dreaming of 6384*)

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[Fred Nachbaur]

Shiva wrote:
> "Choky" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>nope.
>>
>
>
> Yes, Yes!!! <beginning a great debate>

OK you win. Black plates are much much much better than grey ones. Why?
Well, because they're black. And black is in.

Cheers,
Fred

[Fred Nachbaur]

Shiva wrote:
> "Chuck Harris" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Since the tube's elements are contained in a vacuum, the only
>>way for heat to be transferred is radiation. So, for your
>>conjecture to work, the plate would have to be an excellent
>>reflector, like a mirror, not an excellent absorber.
>>
>>-Chuck
>
>
> Hiya, Chuck.
> the weird thing is, black also radiates heat better, and, taking high freq.
> light & absorbing it (the fil *glow* along with radiant heat), it reimitts
> it at lower freq's, thus providing *more* radiant heat. Now, the theory's
> still goofy - i'm sure posts I haven't got to yet explain why.
> -dim

Don't confuse heat and temperature (not specifically directed at you,
dim). The amount of heat emitted by a tube is essentially constant, and
is exactly equal to the heat put into the tube once equilibrium is
attained. The heat put into the tube is the sum of the power
dissipations - plate, screen, grid (if applicable) and heater.

Since the plate envelopes the rest of the structure, most of the heat
generated in the tube will be absorbed by the plate, regardless of its
colour. The only heat that isn't absorbed by the plate is the heat
that's radiated out through the top and bottom openings - and is
essentially constant. This implies that the heat absorbed by the plate
is constant also, and I repeat, is independant of the plate's
absorptiveness.

However, the *temperature* of the plate will be higher if it's silver or
grey, because it's not as good an emitter of heat as is one coated with
carbon-black etc. Therefore, all other things being equal, a black plate
will run slightly cooler for a given amount of heat transfer.

Will this make a difference in the sound? Nope. Does it look nice? Yup.

Cheers,
Fred

[Fred Nachbaur]

Nup! Obviously.

Choky wrote:
> yope.
> (continuing the great debate!)
>
> --
> Choky
> Prodanovic Aleksandar
> YU
>
>
>
> "Shiva" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Choky" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>nope.
>>>
>>
>>Yes, Yes!!! <beginning a great debate>
>>
>>>--
>>>Choky
>>>Prodanovic Aleksandar
>>>YU
>>>
>>>
>>>"David Axt" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

[Choky]

good design is good design;
no matter it's tube or xformer or xsistor or black or gray plate.
in area of multiplied max dissipation,all tubes are crappy
gray or black plate is mumbo jumbo,thinking about all other more significant
issues in construction of tube.
hehe........

--
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU


"·à¤l¤f" > wrote in message
...
> a huge transformer vs a tinny one
> a tube vs a transistor :)
>
> "Choky" > ¦b¶l¥ó
¤¤¼¶
> ¼g...
> >
> > mumbo jumbo.
> >
> > --
> > Choky
> > Prodanovic Aleksandar
> > YU
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net
> Complaints to

[Gregg]

Behold, Shiva scribbled:


> "Gregg" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Behold, Shiva scribbled:
>>
>>
>> > ">>sPoNiX<<" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:14:30 -0700, "David Axt" >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >
>> > They're so ... *BLACK*. If you listen to mainly black preformers, go
>> > with the black plates. If you wwish to be open to any kind of
>> > musick, then gray plates are the way to go. If you listen primarily
>> > to white music, then the silver plates are the one to get.
>>
>> LOL! Amusingly put fellow honky ;-)
>>
>>
> That's CRACKER to you!

:-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*

[shiva]

"Choky" > wrote in message
...
> my tubes are bigger and blacker than yours!
>
> --
> Choky
> Prodanovic Aleksandar
> YU
>

You just keep thinkin' that. My toobs are so black they've got an event
horizon...
>
> "Shiva" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I take it as a mixture of "yes" and "nope"? Now you take that back
> <getting
> > *furious*
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>

[Robert Casey]

Fred Nachbaur wrote:

>
>
> However, the *temperature* of the plate will be higher if it's silver
> or grey, because it's not as good an emitter of heat as is one coated
> with carbon-black etc. Therefore, all other things being equal, a
> black plate will run slightly cooler for a given amount of heat transfer.

Supposidly a feature of compactron tubes were the use of plates that
reflect cathode heat back
to the cathode, thus reducing the amount of heater power required.
Maybe some plate dissapation
heat was also deposited on the cathode? Idea was that the total power
required would be less,
and the TV chassis would be less warm.

[Casino]

Aren't some of the Chinese KT-88's, 2A3's and others built using black
plates for anodes?

C.W.

"Rich Sherman" > wrote in message >...
> Black plate tubes and Grey plate tubes sound 'different' whether better of
> worse depends on the particular application and personal taste of the
> listener..
>
> "David Axt" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
> >

[Choky]

NI!

--
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU


"shiva" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> You just keep thinkin' that. My toobs are so black they've got an event
> horizon...
> >
> > "Shiva" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >

[Patrick Turner]

Gregg wrote:

> Behold, Shiva scribbled:
>
> > ">>sPoNiX<<" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:14:30 -0700, "David Axt" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >
> > They're so ... *BLACK*. If you listen to mainly black preformers, go
> > with the black plates. If you wwish to be open to any kind of musick,
> > then gray plates are the way to go. If you listen primarily to white
> > music, then the silver plates are the one to get.
>
> LOL! Amusingly put fellow honky ;-)

If the plates turn red, then its Red Indian music.

Patrick Turner.

>
>
> --
> Gregg
> *It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*

[Shiva]

"Choky" > wrote in message
...
> NI!
>
> --
> Choky
> Prodanovic Aleksandar
> YU
>

All right, you esky fer'ner! AMERICAN PEOPLE are patient people, but our
patience has come to an end. Now we're goin' to liberate your heathen
asses, and bring you so much democracy you'll never walk straight again!
-dim (the voice of the AMERICAN PEOPLE)
>
> "shiva" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > You just keep thinkin' that. My toobs are so black they've got an event
> > horizon...
> > >
> > > "Shiva" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
>
>

[Choky]

The Larch.

(or-"stopwiddcraporIwillgivyaperestrojkaandya'llsufferf romgrowthofstandard;)
)")

oror "talkSerbiansoallworldcanunderstandya!"

hehe

--
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU


"Shiva" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Choky" > wrote in message
> ...
> > NI!
> >
> > --
> > Choky
> > Prodanovic Aleksandar
> > YU
> >
>
> All right, you esky fer'ner! AMERICAN PEOPLE are patient people, but our
> patience has come to an end. Now we're goin' to liberate your heathen
> asses, and bring you so much democracy you'll never walk straight again!
> -dim (the voice of the AMERICAN PEOPLE)
> >
> > "shiva" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > You just keep thinkin' that. My toobs are so black they've got an
event
> > > horizon...
> > > >
> > > > "Shiva" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> >
> >
>
>

[don]

In the 'oughts, the new black is ....black!

[Mikkel C. Simonsen]

Fred Nachbaur wrote:
>
> > Black cabinets for VCRs and DVD players seems to be the style nowadays.
> > Nevermind
> > that my mom cannot see the labels for the panel buttons on them.....
>
> I know, isn't that dumb? Thankfully, there are signs that the
> silver-front look seems to be making a comeback.(Thank goodness! I've
> been waiting for 20 years!) For instance, I just got my wife a new
> silver-box DVD player.

But why do they have to use that ugly alu-look plastic. If you want
aluminium use the real thing... I much prefer NAD-grey plastic to the
"modern" stuff.

Best regards,

Mikkel C. Simonsen

[Shiva]

"Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Shiva wrote:
> > "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>
> >>David Axt wrote:
> >>
> >>>Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>David
> >>
> >>Better for what? I could probably be argued that they're better for heat
> >>dissipation, but even that would probably be very minor.
> >>
> >>Some people can claim to hear a difference, but I wonder how much this
> >>hearing acuity would be reduced if they couldn't see which colour plate
> >>was in there at any given listening session.
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Fred
> >>
> >
> >
> > All Plates are gray at night...
>
> Not so! The really good ones are red! ;-)

And the 8realy realy* good ones are no longer with us...

>
> Cheers,
> Fred
>

[Shiva]

"Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
...
> Use a push-pull amp, black-plate in-phase and silver-plate out-of-phase.
>
> Or was it the other way around ???
>

Yeah, you're partially right. (noticing that ">>sPoNiX<<" uses
News.CIS.DFN.DE - a really nice free news server, or at least, used to
be...)
-dim
> Cheers,
> Fred
>
>
> David Axt wrote:
> > I listen to Tower of Power, they have both negro and honky musicians.
Now
> > what do I do? ;-)
> >
> > DA
> >
> >
> > "Shiva" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>">>sPoNiX<<" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:14:30 -0700, "David Axt" >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> >>>
> >>>Yes.
> >>
> >>They're so ... *BLACK*. If you listen to mainly black preformers, go
with
> >>the black plates. If you wwish to be open to any kind of musick, then
> >
> > gray
> >
> >>plates are the way to go. If you listen primarily to white music, then
> >
> > the
> >
> >>silver plates are the one to get.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

[Shiva]

"Casino" > wrote in message
om...
> Aren't some of the Chinese KT-88's, 2A3's and others built using black
> plates for anodes?
>
> C.W.

Sure are...as their KT66's & other 'retro" types...
>
> "Rich Sherman" > wrote in message
>...
> > Black plate tubes and Grey plate tubes sound 'different' whether better
of
> > worse depends on the particular application and personal taste of the
> > listener..
> >
> > "David Axt" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Are black plate tubes really better than gray plate tubes?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > David
> > >
> > >

[Shiva]

"Choky" > wrote in message
...
> The Larch.
>
>
(or-"stopwiddcraporIwillgivyaperestrojkaandya'llsufferf romgrowthofstandard;)
> )")
>
> oror "talkSerbiansoallworldcanunderstandya!"
>
> hehe
>
> --
> Choky
> Prodanovic Aleksandar
> YU
>

You have to point me to the autotranslator that does Serbian... Anyhow ,
The American People are goin' to give you another chance - Just 'coz we
think N. tesla was a weird critter....
>
> "Shiva" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Choky" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > NI!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Choky
> > > Prodanovic Aleksandar
> > > YU
> > >
> >
> > All right, you esky fer'ner! AMERICAN PEOPLE are patient people, but
our
> > patience has come to an end. Now we're goin' to liberate your heathen
> > asses, and bring you so much democracy you'll never walk straight again!
> > -dim (the voice of the AMERICAN PEOPLE)
> > >
> > > "shiva" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You just keep thinkin' that. My toobs are so black they've got an
> event
> > > > horizon...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Shiva" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Choky]

PING!
;)

--
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU


"Shiva" > wrote in message
...
>
> >
>
> You have to point me to the autotranslator that does Serbian... Anyhow ,
> The American People are goin' to give you another chance - Just 'coz we
> think N. tesla was a weird critter....
> >
> > "Shiva" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >

[Choky]

"Shiva" > wrote in message
...
fc'n snipped

> Ever hand-pick through your "pulls" collection to find the right tubes for
a
> [guitar] amp? I have a pair of clear-top RCA's from a Silvertone 9labled
> Silvertone) which sound super-smooth in every amp I've tried them.
Measure
> real weak, and behave more like 6V6's. Other old black-plate RCA's are
the
> same way - weak as ____, but have a great sound. BTW, i have a
(basically)
> slavish copy of a fend. twin, AFA output stage is concerned, with one
diff:
> i'm running 2 6L6's, and 2 *mixed-bias, 100Ohm bypassed* 6v6's - wound up
> doing that 'cos the "hot" chan. sounded like trash. Ever tried using 2
> different OT tubes for each side of a PP circuit? Has anyone? I think
my
> setup sounds neat - the clean chan. doesn't have the same headroom, and
> looses that fender 'glassiness" a bit, but, even on the clean chan, the
> thing starts compressin' real early, and then sounds like a deluxe on
> steroids (to abuse the cliche). If this has been done, especially in HiFi
> amps, could you point me to some schematics?
> -dim
>
>
>
will try tonight to scan article from SP

--
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU

[Shiva]

"Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Mikkel C. Simonsen wrote:
> > Fred Nachbaur wrote:
> >
> >>>Black cabinets for VCRs and DVD players seems to be the style nowadays.
> >>>Nevermind
> >>>that my mom cannot see the labels for the panel buttons on them.....
> >>
> >>I know, isn't that dumb? Thankfully, there are signs that the
> >>silver-front look seems to be making a comeback.(Thank goodness! I've
> >>been waiting for 20 years!) For instance, I just got my wife a new
> >>silver-box DVD player.
> >
> >
> > But why do they have to use that ugly alu-look plastic. If you want
> > aluminium use the real thing... I much prefer NAD-grey plastic to the
> > "modern" stuff.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mikkel C. Simonsen
>
> Well, yes. That's the thing, it always comes down to those "beans." I
> suppose that the move towards the black look was driven more by
> marketing pressure than by consumer preference, simply because it's a
> lot easier to make a black front that looks good. Brushed aluminum is
> expensive both from a materials and labour standpoint, it's also heavier
> and therefore increases shipping costs.
>
> I agree, the NAD-grey or charcoal can look quite nice, and seems to be
> easier to read lettering on. But brushed aluminum is still the
> classiest. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Fred
>

Fred, anodized black aluminum is still "brushed aluminum", it's just
anodized with a black die. I'm a big fan of the short-lived "pink"
anodized aluminum faceplates...

[Fred Nachbaur]

Shiva wrote:
> "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>Mikkel C. Simonsen wrote:
>>
>>>Fred Nachbaur wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Black cabinets for VCRs and DVD players seems to be the style nowadays.
>>>>>Nevermind
>>>>>that my mom cannot see the labels for the panel buttons on them.....
>>>>
>>>>I know, isn't that dumb? Thankfully, there are signs that the
>>>>silver-front look seems to be making a comeback.(Thank goodness! I've
>>>>been waiting for 20 years!) For instance, I just got my wife a new
>>>>silver-box DVD player.
>>>
>>>
>>>But why do they have to use that ugly alu-look plastic. If you want
>>>aluminium use the real thing... I much prefer NAD-grey plastic to the
>>>"modern" stuff.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>>Mikkel C. Simonsen
>>
>>Well, yes. That's the thing, it always comes down to those "beans." I
>>suppose that the move towards the black look was driven more by
>>marketing pressure than by consumer preference, simply because it's a
>>lot easier to make a black front that looks good. Brushed aluminum is
>>expensive both from a materials and labour standpoint, it's also heavier
>>and therefore increases shipping costs.
>>
>>I agree, the NAD-grey or charcoal can look quite nice, and seems to be
>>easier to read lettering on. But brushed aluminum is still the
>>classiest. ;-)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Fred
>>
>
>
> Fred, anodized black aluminum is still "brushed aluminum", it's just
> anodized with a black die.

True. And I don't much care for it even if it's real. But it's easier to
fake halfway realistically using black plastic, than it is to fake other
colors of anodized aluminum.

> I'm a big fan of the short-lived "pink"
> anodized aluminum faceplates...

LOL! Good thing it was short-lived!

I rather like gold anodizing, like on the chassis here:

http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/am-tx2-1.jpg

(Yeah, I know. The chassis is nice, the rest of it's ugly.) ;)

Cheers,
Fred

[Patrick Turner]

Shiva wrote:

> "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Shiva wrote:
>

......

>
> >
> > I rather like gold anodizing, like on the chassis here:
> >
> > http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/am-tx2-1.jpg
> >
> > (Yeah, I know. The chassis is nice, the rest of it's ugly.) ;)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Fred
>
> What is it, Fred? My firt guess would be a Teramin, knowin' you...

I reckon if its not Thera Min, I think its Oscar Laitor,
but more likely the former, since I see Ah Reff Coil, and Cryst All,
and Aud Io, and the Anne Tenna is just missin.

Patrick Turner.

[Fred Nachbaur]

Shiva wrote:
>> [...]
>>>I'm a big fan of the short-lived "pink"
>>>anodized aluminum faceplates...
>>
>>LOL! Good thing it was short-lived!
>>
>>I rather like gold anodizing, like on the chassis here:
>>
>>http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/am-tx2-1.jpg
>>
>>(Yeah, I know. The chassis is nice, the rest of it's ugly.) ;)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Fred
>
>
> What is it, Fred? My firt guess would be a Teramin, knowin' you...

That would be a good first guess. But actually it's a low-power AM
transmitter. It's the "fanciest" of three circuits I mucked about with
recently, but haven't gotten around to documenting and putting up on the
ol' website yet.

I did manage to put up the schematic, though, it's at
http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/AM-tx2.gif

Cheers,
Fred

[Shiva]

"Patrick Turner" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Shiva wrote:
>
> > "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > Shiva wrote:
> >
>
> .....
>
> >
> > >
> > > I rather like gold anodizing, like on the chassis here:
> > >
> > > http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/am-tx2-1.jpg
> > >
> > > (Yeah, I know. The chassis is nice, the rest of it's ugly.) ;)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Fred
> >
> > What is it, Fred? My firt guess would be a Teramin, knowin' you...
>
> I reckon if its not Thera Min, I think its Oscar Laitor,
> but more likely the former, since I see Ah Reff Coil, and Cryst All,
> and Aud Io, and the Anne Tenna is just missin.
>
> Patrick Turner.

We be good guessers, us. Hope Fred's not mean enough to prove us wrong....
-dim
>

[Shiva]

"Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Shiva wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>>I'm a big fan of the short-lived "pink"
> >>>anodized aluminum faceplates...
> >>
> >>LOL! Good thing it was short-lived!
> >>
> >>I rather like gold anodizing, like on the chassis here:
> >>
> >>http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/am-tx2-1.jpg
> >>
> >>(Yeah, I know. The chassis is nice, the rest of it's ugly.) ;)
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Fred
> >
> >
> > What is it, Fred? My firt guess would be a Teramin, knowin' you...
>
> That would be a good first guess. But actually it's a low-power AM
> transmitter. It's the "fanciest" of three circuits I mucked about with
> recently, but haven't gotten around to documenting and putting up on the
> ol' website yet.
>
> I did manage to put up the schematic, though, it's at
> http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/AM-tx2.gif
>
> Cheers,
> Fred

Shoo' nuf, Pat, he *was* mean enough to prove us wrong... I like the PS
setup, though (+-rails), the audio part (I'm real bad at RF, but like the
"global feedback" - is that commonly done in transmitters? 6BE6... is g2
(pin 6) there to give the electrons a fightin' chance to get past the second
controll grid? RF... Weirdness...
>

[Patrick Turner]

Shiva wrote:

> "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Shiva wrote:
> > >> [...]
> > >>>I'm a big fan of the short-lived "pink"
> > >>>anodized aluminum faceplates...
> > >>
> > >>LOL! Good thing it was short-lived!
> > >>
> > >>I rather like gold anodizing, like on the chassis here:
> > >>
> > >>http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/am-tx2-1.jpg
> > >>
> > >>(Yeah, I know. The chassis is nice, the rest of it's ugly.) ;)
> > >>
> > >>Cheers,
> > >>Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > What is it, Fred? My firt guess would be a Teramin, knowin' you...
> >
> > That would be a good first guess. But actually it's a low-power AM
> > transmitter. It's the "fanciest" of three circuits I mucked about with
> > recently, but haven't gotten around to documenting and putting up on the
> > ol' website yet.
> >
> > I did manage to put up the schematic, though, it's at
> > http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/AM-tx2.gif
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Fred
>
> Shoo' nuf, Pat, he *was* mean enough to prove us wrong... I like the PS
> setup, though (+-rails), the audio part (I'm real bad at RF, but like the
> "global feedback" - is that commonly done in transmitters? 6BE6... is g2
> (pin 6) there to give the electrons a fightin' chance to get past the second
> controll grid? RF... Weirdness...
> >

I'm stuffed if I know how the thing works.
Trans Mitter.
I dunno about the diodes and FB, I guess the AM output
is demodulated to AF, and applied back to the AF input,
and any errors in the modulation are corrected.
But I also don't know why he has a Crys Stal in there when she don't really seem
necessary to the process.
Just a one triode Oscar Laitor and Pen Toad amp would seem to be all that's
needed
for the Ah Reff and one Elle Tee Pee for the Aud Io.

Keep smiling.


Lance Armstrong looks certain to gain time over the rest of the field
up the final climb right now, although there is one
unimportant rider in front of him at last report.

Micheal Rogers (aus) is at 15th overall.
His first Tour I think....

Patrick Turner.

[Fred Nachbaur]

Patrick Turner wrote:
>
> Shiva wrote:
>
>
>>> [...]
>>
>>Shoo' nuf, Pat, he *was* mean enough to prove us wrong... I like the PS
>>setup, though (+-rails), the audio part (I'm real bad at RF, but like the
>>"global feedback" - is that commonly done in transmitters? 6BE6... is g2
>>(pin 6) there to give the electrons a fightin' chance to get past the second
>>controll grid? RF... Weirdness...
>>
>
> I'm stuffed if I know how the thing works.
> Trans Mitter.
> I dunno about the diodes and FB, I guess the AM output
> is demodulated to AF, and applied back to the AF input,

Bingo! That's exactly what it do. Distributed C and input C to 12AT7
grid pin 2 filters the RF pretty good, no need for any added Cappa Sitters.

> and any errors in the modulation are corrected.
> But I also don't know why he has a Crys Stal in there when she don't really seem
> necessary to the process.

Oh, Crys is a very stable gal, one of them thar homesteading types, ya
know. She's married to Cole Pitts, Oscar Laitor's second cousin. She
manages to keep Cole Pitts from having the wanderin' eye all over the
band...

> Just a one triode Oscar Laitor and Pen Toad amp would seem to be all that's
> needed
> for the Ah Reff and one Elle Tee Pee for the Aud Io.

But then you need good old Mod U. Later added to give Aud Io somethin'
to do. Pen Toad - yup, works good for Ah Reff Apple-fryer. But the
12-eh-you!-7 mu-stage is kinda nice too, low input C like Pen Toad, and
output is at DC ground so nothing goes bzzt-dzzt when pokinfingerin' the
Ah Reff Coill.

> Keep smiling.

OK. :-)))

[Shiva]

"Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Shiva wrote:
> > "Fred Nachbaur" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>I did manage to put up the schematic, though, it's at
> >>http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/AM-tx2.gif
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Fred
> >
> >
> > Shoo' nuf, Pat, he *was* mean enough to prove us wrong...
>
> Yeah, I can be a mean bugger on a Sunday morning...
>
> > I like the PS
> > setup, though (+-rails), the audio part (I'm real bad at RF, but like
the
> > "global feedback" - is that commonly done in transmitters?
>
> I'd never seen it, but what do I know? Shortly after floating my
> "wonderful invention" on an electronics forum, our very own Robert Casey
> pointed me to an article he did forever ago, doing essentially the same
> thing:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9178/radios/amxmit.html
>
> Ain't nuthin' new under the sun....
>

Annoying that other people have imagination too, ain't it? I like the guy's
web presentation - it's nice to see real scope data along with the theory &
modeling....

> > 6BE6... is g2
> > (pin 6) there to give the electrons a fightin' chance to get past the
second
> > controll grid?
>
> It's basically just the first screen grid. For signal it's at ground, so
> it provides the anode for the oscillator grid (g1). What's really cool
> is that what happens on the second control grid (g3) has virtually *no
> effect* on cathode current! The difference is all absorbed in the g2/g4
> business. (g4 is the second screen grid). And of course g5 is the
> suppressor.

Clever... At least now i have a basic grasp for those toob's reason for
being...

>
> The net result is that the oscillator stays rock-steady even under
> modulation on g3. The tube was designed to mix incoming RF with the
> local oscillator, producing an IF on the plate. But there's nothing that
> says you can't put audio on g3 instead, and have modulated RF on the
plate.
>
> > RF... Weirdness...
>
> Yup, especially when you start trying to figure out antennas. Black
> magic, I tells ya...

I was friends with an old guy named Bob (must be hittin' 90 around now) who
was doin' CW - always had to put up his half -mile (to me) long *wire* eachj
time a storm came trough. He did all kinds of weird antenae designs when he
was younger - there were chunks of old towers & mysterious combination of
aluminum tubing & PVC pipe rotting all over his place...
>
> Cheers,
> Fred
>

[Fred Nachbaur]

Patrick Turner wrote:
>
> [...]
> Just a one triode Oscar Laitor and Pen Toad amp would seem to be all that's
> needed
> for the Ah Reff and one Elle Tee Pee for the Aud Io.
>
> Keep smiling.

Oh by the way -- here's the other two Sir Kitts. The first one is the
"Muntz" version, you could make it even Muntzier by replacing Crys Stall
with her cousin Elsie Net-Works.

http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/AM-tx1.gif

Works pretty good, but you get less undistored modulation depth without
the NFB. Output's pretty wimpy too, only about 3 Millie Whats. Prototype
was transmogrified into this next one:

http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/AM-tx3.gif

This one's kinda inbetween, with Penn Toad for Aud Io Apple-Fryer, Crys
Stall Die-odes for de Tektor. Could use an Ah Reff Apple-Fryer, but it's
just barely enough to drive my linear to 80 watts PEP on a good day.

This one's even uglier. Went all out to get that
Retro-Radio-Shack-Hobbyist-Kitsch look.

http://dogstar.dantimax.dk/tubestuf/graphics/am-tx3-1.jpg

Cheers,
Fred