Fisher Speakers

[Jason]

Hey there everyone! I've inherited some older Fisher ST-510 speakers and I
can't find any information on them online. They sound good to me, but
are/were Fisher speakers of generally good quality? Of course if anyone had
any specs, that'd be greatly appreciated...

thanks
Jason

[Eric Toline]

Fisher Speakers

Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 4:15am (EST+5) From:
(Jason)
Hey there everyone! I've inherited some older Fisher ST-510 speakers and
I can't find any information on them online. They sound good to me, but
are/were Fisher speakers of generally good quality? Of course if anyone
had any specs, that'd be greatly appreciated...
thanks
Jason <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

what does it matter what the specs are? If they sound good to you that's
all that counts.

[Greg Taylor]

My recollection of Fisher was that they were not considered audiophile
quality but were generally much better than the department store cheapos
of the same vintage.

Jason wrote:
> Hey there everyone! I've inherited some older Fisher ST-510 speakers and I
> can't find any information on them online. They sound good to me, but
> are/were Fisher speakers of generally good quality? Of course if anyone had
> any specs, that'd be greatly appreciated...

[Mark D. Zacharias]

My recollection of Fisher speakers is that they really can't be considered
"hi-fi" at all. Just big boxes with junk drivers and capacitor "crossovers."
Tended to get shorted woofers, which sit directly across the amp output,
shorting the amp channel to ground.

Ick.


Mark Z.


"Greg Taylor" > wrote in message
...
> My recollection of Fisher was that they were not considered audiophile
> quality but were generally much better than the department store cheapos
> of the same vintage.
>
> Jason wrote:
>> Hey there everyone! I've inherited some older Fisher ST-510 speakers and
>> I
>> can't find any information on them online. They sound good to me, but
>> are/were Fisher speakers of generally good quality? Of course if anyone
>> had
>> any specs, that'd be greatly appreciated...

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >,
Mark D. Zacharias > wrote:
>My recollection of Fisher speakers is that they really can't be considered
>"hi-fi" at all. Just big boxes with junk drivers and capacitor "crossovers."
>Tended to get shorted woofers, which sit directly across the amp output,
>shorting the amp channel to ground.

This is basically what happened after Avery Fisher sold the store to the
Japanese. Speakers that predate that era are a big step up (like everything
else).

Fisher was a high-end American manufacturer. In the early 1970s, they sold
out to a company that basically wanted the name to put on imported junk.
Much like the "Bell and Howell" and "Keystone" cameras that you see today.
The name was worth more than the rest of the company.

That said, Avery made a couple losers too, like the 700T receiver that was
full of Fairchild transistors with manufacturing defects.

I don't know those particular speakers, but I have the full set of Fisher
manuals from 1970 or so around here somewhere and I will go look.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[DeserTBoB]

On 7 Dec 2004 10:52:37 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>Fisher was a high-end American manufacturer. In the early 1970s, they sold
>out to a company that basically wanted the name to put on imported junk. <snip>

Sanyo crap.

>Much like the "Bell and Howell" and "Keystone" cameras that you see today.
>The name was worth more than the rest of the company. <snip>

....and Sylvania light products made in China. It's the ultimate
corporate dream...steal a long revered name, slap it on imported crap
made with slave labor, reap tons of profits with no employees. It's
also the beginning of the end of the USA as a world power.

>That said, Avery made a couple losers too, like the 700T receiver that was
>full of Fairchild transistors with manufacturing defects. <snip>

The 700T is what convinced Fisher to sell out. The returns on those
things were horrid. Fairchild, of course, couldn't build ANYTHING
without defects, whether by design ro sloppy manufacture. Remember
their C-119 "Flying Coffin" transport? Same thing...****ty design,
badly executed. Seems to be a Texas hallmark!

>I don't know those particular speakers, but I have the full set of Fisher
>manuals from 1970 or so around here somewhere and I will go look. <snip>

If it's "Jap Fisher," it's a particle board box filled with 50¢
drivers and cheap caps, made by Sanyo. Sanyo around this time was
basically an OEM manufacturer for anyone coming in with a design and a
name to slap on it. 3M entered into a contract to build "high end" 8
track players under the Wollensak badge, built as a 3M design, using
all Japanese compoenents. It wasn't until later that Sanyo got an
engineering staff together to start fielding their own designs, which
were similarly crappy. However, clueless US buyers would buy on
pricing point, and Sanyo, along with all the other Japan, Inc.
corporations, wiped out the entire US consumer electronics industry in
less than a decade, except for TVs. They've finally done that, too,
as the Five Islands (ex-Philips) TV plant in Tennessee has finally
been swallowed up by Toshiba after its US owners and unionized workers
fought for 8 years against an 8000% increase in cheap Chinese TV sets.
First order of business? Layoffs. The CEO of Five Islands appealed
to the House Ways and Means Committee for help in curbing the tide of
unbridled "TV dumping," but the Repukes in charge of Congress would
have none of it.

....and the US continues to go to a very hot place in a handbasket....

dB

[Laurence Payne]

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 11:54:24 -0800, DeserTBoB >
wrote:

>...and the US continues to go to a very hot place in a handbasket....

True. But not because of selling out hi-fi brand names.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

[Scott Dorsey]

Laurence Payne > wrote:
>On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 11:54:24 -0800, DeserTBoB >
>wrote:
>
>>...and the US continues to go to a very hot place in a handbasket....
>
>True. But not because of selling out hi-fi brand names.

I might add that Avery is happy and comfortable and still doing some
considerable philanthropy with the money that he got from selling the name.
I can't give the Japanese a bit of the blame for any of this, because they
are doing exactly what they are supposed to do: giving the consumer exactly
what he wants. The problem is that the consumer in the US wants the cheapest
possible equipment with the most flashing lights. And the Japanese right
now are hurting, because the Chinese can make crappier and lousier junk
for less.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[DeserTBoB]

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 01:03:11 +0000, Laurence Payne
> wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 11:54:24 -0800, DeserTBoB >
>wrote:
>
>>...and the US continues to go to a very hot place in a handbasket....
>
>True. But not because of selling out hi-fi brand names. <snip>

True, but it's a symptom of a much more pervasive, destructive
malaise.

dB

[DeserTBoB]

On 7 Dec 2004 21:11:32 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>I might add that Avery is happy and comfortable and still doing some
>considerable philanthropy with the money that he got from selling the name.
>I can't give the Japanese a bit of the blame for any of this, because they
>are doing exactly what they are supposed to do: giving the consumer exactly
>what he wants. The problem is that the consumer in the US wants the cheapest
>possible equipment with the most flashing lights. And the Japanese right
>now are hurting, because the Chinese can make crappier and lousier junk
>for less. <snip>

Wal-Mart syndrome. It's what's ruining the country, and we've no one
to blame but ourselves.

dB

[Maurice Rickard]

In article >,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

> I might add that Avery is happy and comfortable and still doing some
> considerable philanthropy with the money that he got from selling the name.

Certainly his name is attached to several worthy music-related causes.
The IEEE item here, however, says he passed on in '94, which seems
reasonable for someone born in '06.:

http://www.ieee-virtual-museum.org/collection/people.php?taid=&id=1234696
&lid=1

Or use

http://tinyurl.com/6f5so

if that doesn't work.

--
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/ | http://onezeromusic.com/

[Scott Dorsey]

Maurice Rickard > wrote:
>In article >,
> (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>> I might add that Avery is happy and comfortable and still doing some
>> considerable philanthropy with the money that he got from selling the name.
>
>Certainly his name is attached to several worthy music-related causes.
>The IEEE item here, however, says he passed on in '94, which seems
>reasonable for someone born in '06.:
>
>http://www.ieee-virtual-museum.org/collection/people.php?taid=&id=1234696
>&lid=1

That's really depressing. THAT makes me feel old, because I saw him at an
AES show not very long ago.....
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[DeserTBoB]

On 8 Dec 2004 14:12:20 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>That's really depressing. THAT makes me feel old, because I saw him at an
>AES show not very long ago..... <snip>

Same with Paul Klipsch. He was a LOT of fun at AES conventions! He'd
really make those "acoustic suspension" frauders squirm just by using
some facts and logic. I still have a nice collection of his
"Bull****" buttons.

dB

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:32:13 -0800, DeserTBoB >
wrote:

>Same with Paul Klipsch. He was a LOT of fun at AES conventions! He'd
>really make those "acoustic suspension" frauders squirm just by using
>some facts and logic. I still have a nice collection of his
>"Bull****" buttons.

My last one was stolen, but I do have a "Stolen from Paul Klipsch"
coffee mug that I personally stole from him.

Chris Hornbeck
"Shi mian mai fu"